Yo?
For some reason you seem to think you scored a point.
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Callalron thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Ummm...I'm the one who originally brought it up. There's nothing to concede.Yo?
For some reason you seem to think you scored a point.
Had to do with your one post. When you assumed I had conceded your points. I refuted them, thus wondering if you conceded them. Nevermind though, this thread was wasn't really about this anyhow. It was about listing the candidates stands on issues, so other ECers could compare, I guess. It quickly derailed. nothing new.
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Fizodeth had this to say about (_|_):
The question is, will it be substantial, will it be soon, or will it be political crap that makes normal people with real families and real family problems want to stab him?
I guess you'd find out if he's elected...
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Zair had this to say about dark elf butts:
Had to do with your one post. When you assumed I had conceded your points. I refuted them, thus wondering if you conceded them. Nevermind though, this thread was wasn't really about this anyhow. It was about listing the candidates stands on issues, so other ECers could compare, I guess. It quickly derailed. nothing new.
Please to be showing me where you refuted the bit about Kerry's voting record on the various Gulf Wars. Maybe you typed it really really small and I just missed it.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Zair said:
I guess you'd find out if he's elected...
Answers like this make me stabhappy.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Drysart said:
Quite a feat for someone who has trouble with pretzels.
Goddamn you had to say that so that when I'm scrolling down and drinking my Dr. Pepper I'd choke.
Agh. >.<
You do know it usually has an overall negative impact on the economy right?
This year Bush wiill have near Unanimous support from the military sector. I forsee a lot of Military ballots turning up "missing" or being contested.
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This one time, at Azizza camp:
It amazes me how many people think raising the minimum wage is a good idea.You do know it usually has an overall negative impact on the economy right?
This year Bush wiill have near Unanimous support from the military sector. I forsee a lot of Military ballots turning up "missing" or being contested.
Just like 2000, when missing and invalid ballots as well as general manipulation of voter lists brought glorious victory to president Al Gore.
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Azizza had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
This year Bush wiill have near Unanimous support from the military sector. I forsee a lot of Military ballots turning up "missing" or being contested.
Bush is the one with more funding then any candidate has ever had, not Kerry. I don't foresee Kerry able to bribe folks in his favor.
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Verily, Sean doth proclaim:
I think I'm the only person voting entirely based on which candidate will handle the war better.Since, you know, it's the biggest fucking issue at the moment.
You're not alone.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
I forgot the figure, but Bush personally received tons of cash, far more than Kerry did during most of his entire run. Also, even before his political running, he was involved in the Texas oil business. Who is less connected to Joe Average?
Yes, raising min. wage has a negative impact on the economy if you look at it a certain way. A great deal of people are working at or close to minimum wage. You raise it, they all get paid more, which means companies have to spend tons more money to pay them, meaning their revenue is lowered. I'd actually hold off on doing that until jobs are returned, so companies won't feel pinched and lay off even more people.
As far as the flip-flopping goes...tons of political guys change their positions to fit those of their constituencies, Bush+Kerry are no different. This year, they're trying to make themselves sexy to the most people, so prepare yourselves for tons of position shifts.
I agree with Kerry on the econ plan, as while I feel most of the tax cuts should be gotten rid of, the middle and lower classes need help if they're going to recover from the economic slide. Also, not all businesses have tons of people making over 200 grand, so don't start whining about how tax hikes on the rich are going to hurt business. I don't think even my own Dad makes that much, at least not yet, but they're not talking about robbing them of half their income even if they do hike it a few percent. Stop acting as if the 'damn liberals' are trying to act like Robin Hood.
I think we also need desperately to repair our foreign affairs pronto, damaged heavily by George W. Our relationship with the UN needs to be repaired, we need to calm down the nations we antagonized during the past few years, and get back into some of the important international agreements we pulled out of, like the Kyoto Protocols. Heck, we were pulled off the Human Rights commission for the first time ever during W's run. And before you start whining that these agreements are worthless, damn what other countries think, and that they benefit the economy, what exactly has it done for us, other than making our allies in addition to our enemies mad at us? If we're going to deal with other countries for anything, we need them on our side. Especially if we want to keep going ahead with the war on terror.
I'm not certain about the other stances, as I'm sure they'll change later on. Gay marriage should be left up to the states, not an amendment banning it. In Iraq, no matter how we go about it, we're eventually going to have to give them individual sovereignty so the attacks can be lessened somewhat. But it would be better if we had help rather than trying to go it alone. Looking at the issues sites, it seems that both Bush+Kerry have similar stances on Education, Health Care, etc, so I'm not going to mention those.
Finally, a few points to people on both sides of the fence, as I consider myself a bit of a moderate more so than a liberal. Kerry may have been anti-war following his run in Vietnam, but so was a great deal of the country. He probably won't be going around slashing defense budgets like Republicans claim every single freaking Democrat and liberal plans on doing whenever they get any office, as the military is too politically powerful. At least Kerry did served some recordable time in the service unlike someone we know...
Bush isn't exactly an idiot, though he has made his share of slip-ups, but I'm more worried about his policies than whether or not he can hold a book the right side up.
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Azrael Heavenblade had this to say about Punky Brewster:
The War on Terror is the biggest issue right now? What about the job market? I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to not be able to find a job in two years when I graduate.
Yes. It's absolutely no contest. The current war is the single most important issue to be considered come November.
And yes, I place more importance on the hundreds of thousands of our troops stationed overseas than an equal number of college students who think they're above flipping a burger part time to pay the rent.
It's not something people hear about.
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This one time, at Sean camp:
Yes. It's absolutely no contest. The current war is the single most important issue to be considered come November.And yes, I place more importance on the hundreds of thousands of our troops stationed overseas than an equal number of college students who think they're above flipping a burger part time to pay the rent.
Not to mention that the economy has taken a HUGE upturn in the last year or so. More and more jobs are being created each month and the stock market is through the roof although it has fluctuated a bit in the past week. Not to mention that retail sales are up around .5%
And Sean, I've already done that kind of work, and I would not mind doing it again if for lack of anything else, but if I can get a decent office job so I can gain experience before going to get my MBA, then that's definitely preferable.
I'm not saying that the army isn't important, I fully support the troops that are there, but for every GI that's over there, there's tons of Americans over here worrying about their finances, or their jobs getting shipped overseas. That's who I'm worried about in terms of the economy. My personal fate is nothing in comparison to millions of people who are in desperate financial straits. If the economy continues to improve under Bush's policies like Azziza says it will, then I might be ok with another Bush term, but not until I have some certainty that it will happen.
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ACES! Another post by Fizodeth:
I do know what I see, and what I see is that minimum wage is only good for teenage spending money right now.
That's why it's called minimum wage.
The minimum legal amount a person outside of the food service industry (which is a load of shit to begin with) can be paid.
It's not something people hear about.
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This one time, at Azrael Heavenblade camp:
I'm not saying that the army isn't important, I fully support the troops that are there, but for every GI that's over there, there's tons of Americans over here worrying about their finances, or their jobs getting shipped overseas. That's who I'm worried about in terms of the economy. My personal fate is nothing in comparison to millions of people who are in desperate financial straits. If the economy continues to improve under Bush's policies like Azziza says it will, then I might be ok with another Bush term, but not until I have some certainty that it will happen.
Until the GI's return home, there are that many fewer families spending their wages on other than essentials. They're not buying cars or houses, they are not renting apartments (if single), they are not eating at fast food restaurants, they are not buying gas for the cars they don't own or are driving, they are not shopping at the malls or grocery stores, they are not taking vacations, and so on.
Therefore, the job growth rate will remain stagnant or slow until the war is over and the military men and women return home.
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Azizza enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Not to mention that the economy has taken a HUGE upturn in the last year or so. More and more jobs are being created each month and the stock market is through the roof although it has fluctuated a bit in the past week. Not to mention that retail sales are up around .5%
It's not nealry as good ar you make it out to be.
From United States Economy at a glance (Dep. of Labor)
EDIT: Fudge. The graphs don't work. Basically, while they are either slowly rising or steady (not dropping) they aren't 'Through the roof' as Azizza paints them to be.
Dow 10,191.41 -105.48 (-1.02%)
Nasdaq 1,956.86 -7.29 (-0.37%)
S&P 500 1,113.08 -10.81 (-0.96%)
From http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/19/news/economy/election_sotu/
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If the tax cuts are made permanent, the accumulated budget deficit for the years 2004 to 2013 could exceed $5 trillion, according to separate studies by the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the sometimes-liberal Brookings Institution, forecasting firm Decision Economics, and Goldman Sachs.If the cuts aren't made permanent, the accumulated deficit for 2004-2013 is forecasted to be $1.4 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
The Brookings study, and others, have warned that massive budget deficits could push interest rates higher and hurt the economy.
Bush could also introduce new tax breaks -- albeit small ones -- including one that would encourage private savings.
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When it comes to jobs, however, Bush will have to perform a careful dance, with 2.4 million jobs lost since Febuary 2001, a month after he took office.Bush will likely argue that tax cuts he pushed to passage last year will eventually create jobs. In support, he can point to non-farm payrolls that have grown by 278,000 jobs since July, the best stretch of job growth since late 2000.
(Which, by my calculations, means that at that rate (278,000 jobs/6 mo., it will take roughly 5 years to get back the jobs we lost - not any gain.)
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Bush will also propose establishing a base on the moon and sending a manned mission to Mars. In order to accomplish these goals, he'll propose adding just $1 billion to the budget for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), while redirecting about $11 billion in NASA's existing budget to the projects.But many experts doubt these missions could be achieved at such a low cost, and the proposals have met with criticism from liberals -- many of whom want to spend the money on problems here on Earth -- and conservatives -- many of whom don't want to spend the money at all.
Meanwhile, Bush could also discuss earmarking $1.5 billion in federal money to encourage people to get married -- another proposal that has met with much criticism from both sides of the aisle.
With the war, can we afford to be stretching for the moon? Until our troops are home safe, maybe he should be looking at other goals. [ 03-11-2004: Message edited by: Gikk ]
