And post your reasons why.
And please dont use this to explain your arrow key thingie 
I.E. Breaks suddenly die, what the fuck are you going to do in an automatic? Die, thats what. In a standard you can gear down and slow down ALOT.
There are many other things that standards have that autos don't, but I'm too ignorant to jog my memory and type out what they are.
Although autos DO have their upsides:
They're perfect for people who been paralyzed from the waist down or have been in a wheel chair due to disease or whatever. I don't really mean to insult no-brained retards, thats just how I talk.
But for the average person, manual is much better. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: Gomateux ]
I feel like I have more control of my car.
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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about John Romero:
I ride the bus because its cheaper and more fuel efficient.And please dont use this to explain your arrow key thingie
I'm not, it just struck me as an interesting poll
This is the first time I've driven stick while the ground has been real slick, which takes some getting used to, but I'm getting the hang of it.
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Verily, A_Blindy_005 doth proclaim:
Automatics are for pussies. The only excuse you have for driving an automatic is that you don't have a right arm.
There are no advantages to a manual.
1) Unless you're street racing, you will not improve on the decisions of an automatic.
2) If you drive in an area like Pittsburgh, you're looking at shifting down and back up six or seven times PER MILE. I once counted ELEVEN stop signs on one half mile street in a residential area.
3) The fuel efficiency benefits to a manual are GREATLY exaggerated. You will not notice it. If you think you do it's probably because you're used to a shitty automatic transmission.
4) Automatic usually raises your car's resale value.
5) Cruise control is a lot better with an automatic.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when A_Blindy_005 said:
Automatics are for pussies. The only excuse you have for driving an automatic is that you don't have a right arm.
Not even missing one arm is a valid exscuse. My driving instructor only had one arm. His right arm was chopped off at the elbow. He uses a claw to change gears and such.
He's hardcore. He STRICTLY abides by the rules of the road. If someone j-walks no matter how close they are he wont slow down at all. He will keep going and if they fly over the hood he'll stop to get their name and number so he can contact them for damages to his vehicle later.
He wanted me to run people over, too, but I just didnt have the balls =(
I know I wouldnt get in trouble or anything, but I wasnt really prepared to run someone over.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Gomateux wrote:
Not even missing one arm is a valid exscuse. My driving instructor only had one arm. His right arm was chopped off at the elbow. He uses a claw to change gears and such.He's hardcore. He STRICTLY abides by the rules of the road. If someone j-walks no matter how close they are he wont slow down at all. He will keep going and if they fly over the hood he'll stop to get their name and number so he can contact them for damages to his vehicle later.
He wanted me to run people over, too, but I just didnt have the balls =(
I know I wouldnt get in trouble or anything, but I wasnt really prepared to run someone over.
Actually, uh, you would get in trouble. Something about last possible chance to prevent a collision.
Sounds like he's just a moron.
And Maradon said everything I could say about Auto/Standard.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
There are no advantages to a manual.1) Unless you're street racing, you will not improve on the decisions of an automatic.
2) If you drive in an area like Pittsburgh, you're looking at shifting down and back up six or seven times PER MILE. I once counted ELEVEN stop signs on one half mile street in a residential area.
3) The fuel efficiency benefits to a manual are GREATLY exaggerated. You will not notice it. If you think you do it's probably because you're used to a shitty automatic transmission.
4) Automatic usually raises your car's resale value.
5) Cruise control is a lot better with an automatic.
Your number three is wrong. A manual's fuel efficiency would be better because the gears will be more accurate to what speed you want. The automatic will have fewer gears.
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Verily, Trent doth proclaim:
Manual.I feel like I have more control of my car.
Same here. Driving an automatic is just no fun.
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Vorbis stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Actually, uh, you would get in trouble. Something about last possible chance to prevent a collision.Sounds like he's just a moron.
And Maradon said everything I could say about Auto/Standard.
You clearly haven't been to St. John's. You try slamming on the brakes in the mid day traffic downtown, you'll lose your rear bumper. If it was the highway or calm housing area or something of course you'll go out of your way to avoid the person.
And plus I never said he wouldnt steer out of the way, he just wouldnt slow down. If the distance is great enough to not need to slow down, then either the retarted person can run across or pull back. Now, if someone pops out from between two cars to attempt to cross the street during a green light, OH WELL. It happens all the time in our city. People believe cars are SUPPOSED to slow down. Hell, they DO slow down, which is totally wrong. Idiots fucking stop to let people cross at non-crosswalk zones and halt ALL traffic.
The civillians are the morons, not my instructor. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: Gomateux ]
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A_Blindy_005 had this to say about pies:
Automatics are for pussies. The only excuse you have for driving an automatic is that you don't have a right arm.
I know someone with no right arm who drives a manual.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Gomateux said:
You clearly haven't been to St. John's. You try slamming on the brakes in the mid day traffic downtown, you'll lose your rear bumper. If it was the highway or calm housing area or something of course you'll go out of your way to avoid the person.And plus I never said he wouldnt steer out of the way, he just wouldnt slow down. If the distance is great enough to not need to slow down, then either the retarted person can run across or pull back. Now, if someone pops out from between two cars to attempt to cross the street during a green light, OH WELL. It happens all the time in our city. People believe cars are SUPPOSED to slow down. Hell, they DO slow down, which is totally wrong. Idiots fucking stop to let people cross at non-crosswalk zones and halt ALL traffic.
The civillians are the morons, not my instructor.
Your instructor plows through a person, guess who's responsible. Yup, him.
You swerve out of the way and into oncoming traffic, you're responsible.
You lose your rear bumper stopping for someone it's the responsibility of the person that just slammed into your ass.
It's not right that they're running out into the street, but if they get crashed into all of the blaim falls upon the driver.
Manuals are for single people and those who need to fee they have "control"
I can down shift in my automatic just as easy as you can. I always hated manuels and avoid driving them. althoguht I can with some difficulty (tendon in my leg was severed jsut above the ankle)
I think what you mean to say is people who dont know how?
last i heard they had 6 speed autos in some cars so whats that about more gears?
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From the book of Maradon!, chapter 3, verse 16:
There are no advantages to a manual.1) Unless you're street racing, you will not improve on the decisions of an automatic.
2) If you drive in an area like Pittsburgh, you're looking at shifting down and back up six or seven times PER MILE. I once counted ELEVEN stop signs on one half mile street in a residential area.
3) The fuel efficiency benefits to a manual are GREATLY exaggerated. You will not notice it. If you think you do it's probably because you're used to a shitty automatic transmission.
4) Automatic usually raises your car's resale value.
5) Cruise control is a lot better with an automatic.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Kalculus Kid or Mathinator or Waisz was all like:
Your number three is wrong. A manual's fuel efficiency would be better because the gears will be more accurate to what speed you want. The automatic will have fewer gears.
Incorrect, I have a 4 speed foreward Auto I drive daily, It is a touring car and I have seen it push 500 miles to the tank, if you think manual is better, you usually can only push it to about 450miles/tank (allowing for conversions on engine ratios and fuel tank ratios) on open road. I go by tank length because it's a better estimate, IMO, than per mile.
Yes Automatics have fewer gears, you can still have the ability to manually down shift. Why do you think most, if not all, have [P R N (D) 3 2 1] on their boards, it's so you can manually control when you need to, I've had to because there was a problem on the power train of the car, I was shiting manually between 3,2,1, for about 3 weeks before I had enough to take it into the shop.
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Forgot to add: I happen to have one hell of a time of coordination, I stripped a manual tranny of 4 teeth by shifting.
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Vorbis stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Your instructor plows through a person, guess who's responsible. Yup, him.You swerve out of the way and into oncoming traffic, you're responsible.
You lose your rear bumper stopping for someone it's the responsibility of the person that just slammed into your ass.
It's not right that they're running out into the street, but if they get crashed into all of the blaim falls upon the driver.
I didn't say he or I or anyone would swerve into oncoming traffic, that's just stupid.
And I didn't say that the person you almost hit, or you, have to pay for your own rear bumper for stopping and being rear-ended either. It's just damn annoying when it happens is all.
The laws where you are must be different, because here when someone decides to j-walk and you have an accident, it is NOT entirely your fault. It was the idiot's choice to cross the street when he shouldn't have been.
You must be envisioning what im saying all wrong. I dont mean if someone is just standing in the road it is perfectly legal to just plow through them. Im talking about situations where people decide to run out across the street from behind parked cars or people who just nonchalantly think they can just walk onto the road expecting people to slow down as if it were a cross walk area.
I guess I just phrased my first post a little incorrectly. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: Gomateux ]
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Maradon! obviously shouldn't have said:
There are no advantages to a manual.1) Unless you're street racing, you will not improve on the decisions of an automatic.
2) If you drive in an area like Pittsburgh, you're looking at shifting down and back up six or seven times PER MILE. I once counted ELEVEN stop signs on one half mile street in a residential area.
3) The fuel efficiency benefits to a manual are GREATLY exaggerated. You will not notice it. If you think you do it's probably because you're used to a shitty automatic transmission.
4) Automatic usually raises your car's resale value.
5) Cruise control is a lot better with an automatic.
It all depends on application. I would not, for example, get a car with a small 4 cylinder, air conditioning, power steering, and an automatic transmission. You are just asking for trouble with that combination. The air conditioner and power steering pump both rob power from the engine, the automatic transmission's torque converter makes up for this by working harder. The harder the torque converter works the hotter the oil gets, eventually it burns. Heat is the enemy. Hyundais have, or had, huge problems with this, I knew two different Hyundais and one Kia that burned transmissions every 40,000 miles because of this combo.
An automatic transmission is great for towing, as long as you can keep it cool, again heat is the enemy. The "tow package" you see advertised usually includes an auxiliary transmission cooler.
and by the way, if your brakes fail the automatic transmission works exactly the same way the manual transmission does.
You're cruising along in 3rd (on older transmissions) at about 75 and you lift your foot. The throttle plate closes and a vacuum occurs behind it, this is sensed by the transmission. As the car slows down the engine RPM decreases and the vacuum decreases, eventually it gets low enough that the transmission shifts into second, and then again into first. The older automatic transmission knows when to shift based solely on engine manifold pressure. Newer automatics have other electronically controlled features but honestly, I find that they don't work as well as the older vacuum controlled automatics. I drive an older car and I stomp the gas and the transmission kicks down. I drive a newer car and I stomp the gas and the fucking thing has to think about it for a second... then it decides to kick down. I hate that.
Also, by the way, a manual transmission costs around 1000$ to rebuild. You can get an automatic rebuilt for around 300$
The difference is that an automatic generally only needs seals and clutches, whereas a manual transmission usually goes bad because hard parts break. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: Kermitov ]
If you're going to advocate a manual, advocate it because it gives you an edge in street racing, because that's really the only legitimate benefit.
On my car, there were three different transmissions options. A 4 speed manual on the pre 80 models, a 5 speed over drive on the post 80, and a 3 speed auto. The 4 and the 5 speed will get better gas milage no matter what. Especially on the highways. In the 4 speed you'll be looking at 4k rpm at 75mph, in the 5 speed, about 3200rpm, and in the auto a good 4.5k rpm.
The only reason I would want an atuo transmission in a vehical is if I'm going to be using it to pull something. That's the only reason I could see justifing an automatic transmissions. Auto's cost more to get installed, they're more prone to failure, and they're more costly to repair. It's their nature. Only now is that just starting to change, because so many fucks are too lazy to learn how to drive a stick, or don't want to take the time to learn. That's fine by me, means you cant borrow my car.
On a side note, all Military Humvee's are automatic. Know why? Because 80+% of the new recruits they've been getting for the past few decades don't know how to use their left foot properly when they drive.
On another side note, you can drive a stick without a starter motor, whereas you'd be screwed without one in an auto. POP THAT CLUTCH!
As for manuals not having any real advantage other than street racing, I would ask that people look at reputable car sites such as edmunds. Notice that a car's MPG is listed separately for automatic and manual transmission.
I must also remind people who are manual transmission advocates that you can still downshift in an automatic transmission; you simply can't shift UPWARDS yourself. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: diadem ]
You would hate it, wouldn't you?
Well that's about the same way I would feel about someone taking away my stick and clutch.
There are numerous benefits to a manual over an automatic.
1) It's more fun to drive.
2) It handles better in slick conditions/snow if you know what you're doing.
3) Less moving parts + no transmission cooling + no need for regular transmission flushes + cheaper replairs + less gas used = cheaper T.C.O.
4) More gears means you can pick from better fuel economy or more power on demand at any point without having to wait for the transmission to shift.
5) You don't feel like you have to pretend you have a manual when you're stopped on a hill.
I could go on. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: A_Blindy_005 ]
But when I need to drive, it has to be an automatic. I never learned how to use a manual, and dont plan to either
However, Maradon is correct, a lot of the "manual advantages" are now long gone. Cars have evolved, a lot. Most everything in the car is computerized, and whatever control you think you have by having that manual transmission is basically an illusion.
Some of the more entertaining comments:
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I.E. Breaks suddenly die, what the fuck are you going to do in an automatic? Die, thats what. In a standard you can gear down and slow down ALOT.
Pull the emergency break you think? 
You can also downshift manually in an automatic.
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Your number three is wrong. A manual's fuel efficiency would be better because the gears will be more accurate to what speed you want. The automatic will have fewer gears.
A 'gears accuracy' is better on an automatic, but you can get slightly better milege in a manual, since you can just ride the car at the lowest RPM's possible, not that that's good for the engine. Generally, you'll only get 1-2mpg better, assuming you know what you're doing. Fewer gears does not equal worse gas milege, those fewer gears are tuned by the engineers to give equal performance.
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An automatic transmission is great for towing, as long as you can keep it cool, again heat is the enemy. The "tow package" you see advertised usually includes an auxiliary transmission cooler.
The new silverado trucks GMC produces all come with auto towing packages built in, the only difference is that the torque converter will automatically turn on before the RPM's get to low and downshift on you, thus allowing for a smoother gear transition (sooner downshifting). I dunno what you're talking about when you say 'keep it cool'. Heat hasn't been a problem in most cars in years, designs have improved.
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Auto's cost more to get installed, they're more prone to failure, and they're more costly to repair
No, the computer is far more accurate on the engine then you will ever be. Auto's are programmed by the engineers as to when the engine should shift. Best you can do is come close. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: Reynar ]
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Check out the big brain on Reynar!
nothing more annoying then a manual in a trafic jam.
This, coupled with the fact I live in the city and my parents' Volvo is automatic is enough for me to not care about manual. [ 02-01-2004: Message edited by: Nina ]
