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Jay Gatsby (Or whatever, god, I havn't read that in ages) though, I think would be a good example.
Odysseus is a classic Greek Hero, pride would be a trait of all classic Heroes, Look at the other Greeks like Hector and Achilles. Hell Rolands fatal flaw was his pride and arrogance, If he blew the Horn right away and called Charlemagne and the rest of the army right away he and the 12 peers would have lived instead of being slaughtered by the Saracens. [ 11-28-2003: Message edited by: Pyscho_Pike ]
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How.... Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael.... uughhhhhh:
.... Heracles is (arguably) an antihero....
I wouldnt call Hercules an Antihero, Again he is a classic Hero, the only big negative to him would be when Hera made him insane and he killed his family. Everything about him was what a Good Greek Aspired to be (at least the Royal ones)
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Nobody really understood why Pyscho_Pike wrote:
I wouldnt call Hercules an Antihero, Again he is a classic Hero, the only big negative to him would be when Hera made him insane and he killed his family. Everything about him was what a Good Greek Aspired to be (at least the Royal ones)
Actually Heracles was known for his vicious temper. He killed his musical instructor when, out of frustration, he cracked his lyre over the poor man's head, thus killing him. Likewise, Heracles was known for other frequent rages that ended up requiring punishment, which he did so successfully that they became famous.
For those of you familiar with Joseph Campbell's theory of the epic hero, Heracles falls quite short. Odysseus fills the role.
Thanks for all the help folks. Keep it coming...need to find the library around here.
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[ 11-29-2003: Message edited by: Aquinas ]
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Black wrote this stupid crap:
Thomas Covenant.
I can't believe BM is the first to mention the greatest of antiheroes when he has yet to read about him.
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Snoota had this to say about (_|_):
All these posts and no mention of Raistlin. Shame shame. He was the antihero all other antiheros try to become. It pains me to say it, but even Wolverine pales in comparison to his antiheroism.
You are a man of excellent tastes
But yeah, I toss my vote in for Raistlin as well. He is FAR beyond anyone that has been mentioned thus far in this thread.
greatest ever
Grendel, Grendel 
You could argue that HAL 9000 (2001) is an antihero, though he's really more of a sympathetic villain.
Gilgamesh, The Epic of Gilgamesn. Not ver heroic, but his battle music rocks! 
quote:No kidding. I win this thread.
But Mr. Crabs doesn't really care for music, do you?
I can't believe BM is the first to mention the greatest of antiheroes when he has yet to read about him.
The rest of you can STFU and go home.
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Nobody really understood why Katrinity wrote:
Rincewind, Sam Vimes, or Death from Discworld
*coughs* [ 11-29-2003: Message edited by: Katrinity ]
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Katrinity had this to say about Duck Tales:
*coughs*
Uh oh, that sounds like an ebola cough. *burns Kat alive to prevent an outbreak*
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Katrinity got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Just about anybody from the Black Company series
Yes. The other series will only provide one or two examples of antiheroes. The Black Company has tons, and it's a truly great series.
I can't believe no one's mentioned Elric of Meliniboné yet.
There's a few series with antiheroes in the Forgotten Realms, as well. The War of the Spider Queen books (Dissolution, Insurrection, Condemnation) are full of antiheroes. Servant of the Shard by Salvatore is about an assassin and a dark elf. Prince of Lies and Crucible focus mostly on Cyric and his worshipers.
While he can't touch Raistlin, Dhamon Grimwulf from Dragonlance (Downfall) also qualifies as an anithero.
I don't know if you're familiar with Magic: the Gathering, but Torment and The Brothers' War also prominently feature antiheroic characters. While Magic novels are sometimes disappointing, those are two of the best.
For more original antiheroes (and better writing) try David Gemmell. Waylander and some of the characters in the Stones of Power series fit your definition.
Edit: I thought of more. [ 11-29-2003: Message edited by: MorbId ]
half of what you name i can say to myself yes what a great book that was and agree with you.. the rest I go mmmm never heard of that maybe i missed out on somthing.
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Somthor enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
the rest I go mmmm never heard of that maybe i missed out on somthing.
You missed out on the guillotine during the French Revolution, you illiterate scum.
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Somthor's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
shame about that, apparently we both did... must admit we both look good for our age
No way, dude.
The majority of the world wants me around. You're wasting valuable oxygen. Oxygen that could be used for me.
Why don't you just stay quiet, bite off your tongue, and then sit in a corner while you wait to choke on your own blood?
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Somthor got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
such rage, are you taking the right drugs?
The only drugs I take are Life and Jesus Christ.
What about you? Why do you shun the Lord Jesus when you can easily join him by throwing yourself off a cliff and ending this mortal coil?
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Somthor painfully thought these words up:
after you dear Sir, for without your guiding light I'd surely get lost on my way.
If I went, the forces that be would eagerly spit me back out, as my time on this earth is far from done.
You were done before you were a twinkle in your father's eye.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
If I went, the forces that be would eagerly spit me back out, as my time on this earth is far from done.
yes most people spit rather than swallow...
