Oh yeah, story gets bonus points for use of t.eh. 
Now don't get me wrong. I feel sorry for her. She is 12 and probably didn't know that it was as bad as it is, and I feel the lawsuit should be dropped in her case, however I don't have a lot of sympathy either. Parents should watch thier children better.
I agree with the RIAA's right to protect themselves, but once again they've fumbled the ball horribly. At this rate, I give it one year before most PETA jokes are replaced with RIAA jokes!
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Azizza had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Oh Boo Hoo. Little irl steals shit and then is shocked when she gets caught.Now don't get me wrong. I feel sorry for her. She is 12 and probably didn't know that it was as bad as it is, and I feel the lawsuit should be dropped in her case, however I don't have a lot of sympathy either. Parents should watch thier children better.
You should try reading the article sometimes. Everytime someone posts an article you jump in with something that completely contradicts what was written in the article because you never take the time to read it, and at best skim over it. And in makes you look like a dumbass.
The family had signed up for one of those music download sites, where you pay a fee and can listen to the songs. In fact, the article states they almost never downloaded the songs and just listened to them on streaming audio.
Real smart cookies working there.
And you're supposed to LAUGH at the RIAA... they're suing a 12 year old. Not her mother, HER. As in the little girl was the one named in the suit.
And the 71 year old grandfather is rather amusing as well. 
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So quoth Snoota:
The family had signed up for one of those music download sites, where you pay a fee and can listen to the songs. In fact, the article states they almost never downloaded the songs and just listened to them on streaming audio.
It says they paid for a Kazaa membership. I don't think that makes the files in question they downloaded any less illegal.
(*goes to read the article*)
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JooJooFlop wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
It says they paid for a Kazaa membership. I don't think that makes the files in question they downloaded any less illegal.
It does for them. It falls on Kazaa for offering the illegal files as a paid service.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Snoota wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
It does for them. It falls on Kazaa for offering the illegal files as a paid service.
As taken from the bottom of every page at Kazaa.com:
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Copyright: Sharman Networks Ltd does not condone activities and actions that breach the rights of copyright owners. As a Kazaa Media Desktop user
you have agreed to abide by the End User License Agreement and it is your responsibility to obey all laws governing copyright in each country.
Besides, they don't offer the files. Other people do. They just offer a means to access them at your own risk.
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"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."
I found this to be funny. [ 09-09-2003: Message edited by: Gydfather ]
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Gydfather had this to say about Duck Tales:
No, Snoota, paying someone for stolen merchandise makes you criminally liable for buying stolen goods. Different crime that theft, but still illegal. I believe the same would apply to copyrighted works.
Just curious, how does that work out in cases where the person has no means of even suspecting the goods are stolen?
Say I buy a laptop on ebay for a regular used price, two weeks later the police come knocking because the seller stole it and I get fined? Or stuff at flea markets etc, how can I know if the cellphone the guy is selling is really his or if he grabbed it from a tourist's pocket?
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Gydfather stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
No, Snoota, paying someone for stolen merchandise makes you criminally liable for buying stolen goods. Different crime that theft, but still illegal. I believe the same would apply to copyrighted works.
I was more looking at it from the fraud angle. Kazaa tricks a single mother living in the projects into thinking 30 bucks will let her daughter listen to all the music she can't afford to buy her, knowing full and well that they're selling stolen goods and making no mention of it to the people buying it. I don't pretend to know the law terribly well, but I assumed there were protections for people who bought stolen merchandise in good faith.
I just went through the entire set up process for the Kazaa membership and there is no mention anywhere that you must own the files you're downloading or that it is illegal or anything, even in spiced up, flowery wording! What JooJoo quoted is the closest it comes. [ 09-09-2003: Message edited by: Snoota ]
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Reynar was all like:
I'd like to see the RIAA get anything out of a 12 year old girl. They are a smart bunch, the resources spent filing a suit against someone whom you can't get money from is really bad business.
They'll probably drop it and let them off with a warning. After all, you can't get blood from a stone. Especially a 12 year old stone.
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Shazorx / Modrakien enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Just curious, how does that work out in cases where the person has no means of even suspecting the goods are stolen?Say I buy a laptop on ebay for a regular used price, two weeks later the police come knocking because the seller stole it and I get fined? Or stuff at flea markets etc, how can I know if the cellphone the guy is selling is really his or if he grabbed it from a tourist's pocket?
I think the criminal act requires that you knew or should have known it was stolen. Which, regardless of what they actually knew, would apply to just about anyone in the U.S. dowloading "pirated" music.
If you unknowingly buy stolen goods, you have to return them to the owener and can get your money back from the person that stole it.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
I got Happiness is not a fish you can catch for about $4CAN
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How.... Ares.... uughhhhhh:
Here's a solution. buy used CDs. They are cheap and legal. :3 And I can find just about any "western" CD that I want. Foriegn ones are a little more scarce..I got Happiness is not a fish you can catch for about $4CAN
The only problem is this.
Most of the people who bitch and claim that they download the music because of the price really mean that anything more than free is to much.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Azizza was all like:
The only problem is this.Most of the people who bitch and claim that they download the music because of the price really mean that anything more than free is to much.
Exactly, most of those people couldn't rationalize paying for music 'at any price' since they dont see getting it for free as wrong.
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ACES! Another post by Ares:
Here's a solution. buy used CDs. They are cheap and legal. :3 And I can find just about any "western" CD that I want. Foriegn ones are a little more scarce..I got Happiness is not a fish you can catch for about $4CAN
The local pawn shop sells used music CDs at 3 for $10... I need to go there again someday...
I buy an album, and out of 10 to 12 songs I've got 8 or 9 that I like. Today it's more along the lines of I buy an album and out of 10 to 12 songs there are 1 to 3 that I like. Why should I pay for a fuckton of filler shit when I can get the songs I like and only the songs I like?
That's the general consensus.....
A. Go forward with their case against the girl, in order to make a statement that "No one is above our... uh, the law."
B. Cave in because she's just a little girl, and prove to everyone they're the bullying cowards that they are, as well as having no justification to keep from dropping the lawsuit against that grandfather that was mentioned. Which basically meaning the only ones that will get sued are those that can afford it.
It's fun being a cynic sometimes.
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There was much rejoicing when Mightion Defensor said this:
This should be choice. What are the RIAA's options here... they can.A. Go forward with their case against the girl, in order to make a statement that "No one is above our... uh, the law."
B. Cave in because she's just a little girl, and prove to everyone they're the bullying cowards that they are, as well as having no justification to keep from dropping the lawsuit against that grandfather that was mentioned. Which basically meaning the only ones that will get sued are those that can afford it.
C. Strike a deal with the girl's mother. She (the mother) appears in a commercial telling people about how music piracy is illegal, and to check and see if their kids are doing it. She does that, and they drop the suit. Use the Grandfather in another one if he agrees to the same terms.
End the commercials with the tag line of "Music piracy is illegal. Now you know."
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ACES! Another post by Snoota:
Kazaa tricks a single mother living in the projects into thinking 30 bucks will let her daughter listen to all the music she can't afford to buy her
Actually, no where in the service plan does it even mention music, or any file type for that matter. It just points out that its "Ad Free", new search and download features, and that you can get customer service. Things like multiple search tabs, more download resources(allowing faster transfers). More. So the "I paid money for the ability to download music!" arguement doesn't have a leg to stand on. [ 09-09-2003: Message edited by: Skaw ]
quote:I suppose that'd be on par with the "truth" anti-smoking ads.
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C. Strike a deal with the girl's mother. She (the mother) appears in a commercial telling people about how music piracy is illegal, and to check and see if their kids are doing it. She does that, and they drop the suit. Use the Grandfather in another one if he agrees to the same terms.End the commercials with the tag line of "Music piracy is illegal. Now you know."
At this rate, used car salesmen, dope dealers, terrorists and people who drive slow in the fast lane are gonna look like the good guys before long.
First of all I never download anything that I have not owned in the past. There are songs that you just can not find on any medium any more.
If I am listening to the radio or watching MTV VH1 or what not and I hear a song i like i look up other songs, and get 1 or 2 others, to see if it is worth the effort of buying the actual album. If I like I go buy If i dont i delete and go on with life.
The real issue is not that people are downloading songs, it is that they can be traced in an easy manner. Have any one you ever recorded a cool song from a radio station?? COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT. "Well that is different" many say, and yes it is, you cant be traced.
Granted there are people who will make copies of such songs, burn them and resell them, THAT is the real issue that these IDIOTS should be dealing with, not the occasional downloader.
Bands like Metallica have lost my support long ago with their whining on the P2P topic, well Metallica lost mine after Re-Load, just drove the coffin nail deeper after their Napster stunt.
It will get to the point where you will not be allowed to have any form of MP3 on your PC without fear of persecution from people like RIAA, no matter how many times you may have purchased the songs on an "approved" format (i.e. CD Tape 8-Track Record, and yes I still have a working 8-track and record player, just the records and tapes are so old the quality is fading so I get MP3 so I can still enjoy them)
/em Raises a 1 finger salute to the stupidity that is present in this world, for taking more time to go after a 12 year old girl who loves music instead of the drug lords and gang members who are killing people, get a life, buy a clue and STFU
I now return you to your regularly scheduled flaming
We already have an ArchAngel =\
or some other suit because it's a minor?
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diadem obviously shouldn't have said:
can't they countersue for defimation of character, slander, and emotional trama?or some other suit because it's a minor?
That would be funny! [ 09-09-2003: Message edited by: Star Collective ]
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ACES! Another post by Aarchangel:
/em Raises a 1 finger salute to the stupidity that is present in this world, for taking more time to go after a 12 year old girl who loves music instead of the drug lords and gang members who are killing people, get a life, buy a clue and STFUI now return you to your regularly scheduled flaming
Please grow up and get a clue.
It's not something people hear about.
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From the book of Sean, chapter 3, verse 16:
Please grow up and get a clue.
Bleh, maturity takes effort don'cha know. 
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Sean enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Please grow up and get a clue.
Hey, fuck you. You buy yourself a clue. Maybe if you weren't so entrenched in your own stupidity you'd know that the RIAA was a very strong force in cleaning up bad neighborhoods. Before Napster started the MP3 craze, RIAA was in the trenches protecting old ladies in the New York Subway like that old gang The Guardian Angels that used to roam down there protecting people in the 70's and 80's.
