An article from last September, yesterday he reiterated such sentiments, I'm trying to locate an article.

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Nelson Mandela today intensified his criticism of US policy on Iraq, and alleged that racism is a factor in countries challenging the United Nations.

“No country, however powerful it may be, is entitled to act outside the United Nations,” the former South African president said on his arrival at in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital.

“The United Nations is here to promote peace in the world and any country that acts outside the United Nations is making a serious mistake.”

Mandela, a frequent critic of US policy on Iraq, also said that countries were only challenging the mandate of the United Nations now because Secretary-General Kofi Annan is black.

“I have also said when the secretary-generals were white, we never had the question of any country ignoring the United Nations,” he said.

“But now that we have got the black secretary-generals like Boutros Boutros Ghali and now Kofi Annan, certain countries that believe in white supremacy, are ignoring the United Nations,” he said. “We have to combat that without reservation.”

President Bush has said the United States will lead a coalition to oust Saddam Hussein from power if he does not destroy his weapons of mass destruction.

Prime Minister Tony Blair has said he would not rule out taking action against the Iraqi leader without UN backing

Mandela and the South African government have good relations with Iraq. Mandela has called the United States a threat to world peace and said its belligerent policy toward Iraq was an effort to appease the oil and arms industry.

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If anybody calls a white person stupid, wether or not they are, you're mean.
If anybody calls a black/red/orange/purple/green person stupid, wether or not they are, you're racist.

Why?

Humor disclaimer, cuz I KNOW this ones going down in flames.

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Delphi Aegis Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I have a question:

If anybody calls a white person stupid, wether or not they are, you're mean.
If anybody calls a black/red/orange/purple/green person stupid, wether or not they are, you're racist.

Why?

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Political Correctness, duh.

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DƒU painfully thought these words up:
Who the hell is Kofi Annon?

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Brother of Mofo Annon.

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JooJooFlop had this to say about Robocop:
Political Correctness, duh.

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Political Correctness is absolute shit.

People need to learn to get a thicker damned skin.

I laugh because it's all I can do from screaming, "Moron".

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Vorbo Goatboy had this to say about Tron:
I laugh.

I laugh because it's all I can do from screaming, "Moron".

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And if you're not white, I apologize.

If you're white, I don't care about your feelings. If you do the same to me, I can call you a hypocrite, when in fact I'm the one in the wrong. But you are. Simply because I'm a different color.

Amazing!

If you actually took this seriously... Amazing!

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So quoth Alaan:
She's the UN leader that thinks war is NEVER IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER good.

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I'm about 99.999999999999999999999999% sure that Kofi Annan is a man.

This is to clear up that 1% doubt!

I'm also editing out your uncalled for racist comments, humor disclaimer or not.

This post will also be forwarded to Drysart to see if it warrants a ban, due to the content and the rule violation.

Please continue around your normal thread posting and let's not continue this trend.

I can't use the mod tag

[ 02-01-2003: Message edited by: LOG ]

That was pointless, unfunny, and immature.

{edit: mod alerted}

[ 02-01-2003: Message edited by: Bloodsage ]

In no way did I expect nor condone this thread to degrade into these comments. I'm sorry I even began this thread.

I've alerted the mods myself.

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This insanity brought to you by Lyinar Ka`Bael:
I'm curious what he thinks about the position of respect that Colin Powell holds in our government. Someone refresh my memory because it's escaped me. What's his title now?

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He's Secretary of State. After the President and Secretary of Defense, the most powerful position in government.

It's not just the race thing, either. Mandela said America, of all nations, has committed atrocities worldwide. That's just funny. Then he used the "holocaust" word--connected to America, of course.

The guy's smokin' rope.

It does make things interesting, though. Here we have a highly respected black general as our Secretary of State, yet we're racist.

But he was very close to being the first black dude to be (seriously) nominated for President, and there's a fairly good chance he would've won. Even democrats generally like Powell.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Captain Planet:
Not only that, but when names were going around about who'd run in 2000, Powell's name was seriously considered for the Republican ticket. He opted not to (his wife was very, very sick at the time).

But he was very close to being the first black dude to be (seriously) nominated for President, and there's a fairly good chance he would've won. Even democrats generally like Powell.

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I still hope that he runs at some point.. I know I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

Nelson Mandela needs to get his head out of his ass. It's all right if he wants to speak out against our policies. Like that last paragraph mentioning the oil and arms industry and how Bush is only appeasing them.

Calling us racist just because we disagree with the UN is just idiotic and I've lost quite a bit of the respect I had for him because of it.

With such things taking place these days, it's relatively easy for a foreign voice to twist an opinion on domestic feelings and lend to it some credibility.

It's a lot easier to find an excuse to justify why things are the way they are, no matter how ancient the original dispute is, than it is to accept/learn responcibility for your own actions/opinions/stance.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I didn't catch it. What happened?

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It was a discussion over whether racism was still alive or not in Jasper. Jasper is where that black man was dragged behind a truck to his death by three white men.

The main voice of stupidity was from the voice of a black minister. He proudly stood up and proclaimed the truth on racism and the trials of the African-American race. How the white man will never understand the hearts of the black people because we weren't the ones in slavery,(Umm.. The original slave trade made no seperation of race...) and that the black people have to live every day with a constant reminder of thier days in bondage. Like everyday they get on a bus in America, thats a personal affront to them, or any time a black worker at a grocery store is always forced to be a bagboy (Ummm, TOTAL BS there, specially if ANYONE has ever worked in a grocery store.... Don't have a CLUE where that came from) He went on to say racism is still alive because no white person has honestly ever truely stood up and appologized for what was done to the black man in the past.

It was a black teenager who made the best speech of the night. He basically stood up talked about his highschool life and pretty much flat out said to the preacher and the rest. "We the children of today don't even see race or color... We see kids."

Racism is alive and well in America, but I think what most fail to realize is, although there are some extremist groups such as white supremisists, whites in general are not all that racist. It is in actually the african-american community that gives it life. Because as I said, It's a lot easier to find an excuse to justify why things are the way they are, no matter how ancient the original dispute is, than it is to accept/learn responcibility for your own actions/opinions/stance. In other words, it's a lot easier to blame ones shortcomings on events or actions taken in the ancient past, rather than face them. Especially concidering if there is any race in America that gets any preferencial treatment, it is african-americans. Affirmitive Action sees to that.

For the record, the above opinion/statments are very general and don't apply to all. In fact most of the black friends I have are well educated and very understanding. Mary, one of my black friends, is even an advocate for fighting against affirmitive action because her personal belief is that it hurts the black community more than helps it, simply because of the situations it cause and public opinion that follows. She also believes it is unfair.

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Now that isn't all black people or even all black people that bring up the issue of slavery. But more and more I'm seeing that sort of attitude about things, and more and more I've got less and less sympathy for people and their problems in relation to it.

I agree with your friend Mary too, Fae. I don't like Affirmative Action either. I don't want to get a job just because I'm a woman, and there was someone much more suited than me.

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I'm declaring Asshole Law in the US. If you don't fuckin like what I have to say, GET THE FUCK OUT. God damned political correct anal retentive fucktards shouldn't be allowed opinions of any form because all they do with them is piss the rest of us off.

Maybe they should make it legal to hunt stupid people.... It might not cure the problem, but it would damn sure make us feel better. And isn't feeling better what they're all bitchin for?

yes there was sarcasm. if you can see it, I'm sorry.

There is, but you won't solve it with obnoxiously-overstated affirmative action programs, pandering to a lesser standard (Ebonics, anyone?), or anything in that vein. You look at ANY SUCCESSFUL PERSON, be they black, white, hispanic, native american, whatever, and you'll see the same traits. Desire to make themselves better, not accepting barriers because of race, ability to knuckle down and bust your ass to earn your position.

You think Colin Powell was handed his position? No. He got where he is by earning the respect of his peers. He busted his ass to be who he is. He didn't pander to a lesser standard, he held himself accountable to the same standards (and quite probably higher standards) that everyone around him were expected to live up to.

I believe there should be help to level the playing field for everyone, but I think everyone of all races should be held accountable for it. You want to go to college? Fine get the grades. You want the job? Fine fill the criteria. Racial quotas are the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

And it always pisses me off when black folks joke that they're taking over sports and how they're so much better at them than white folks. Yeah that's great. You can rip your body to pieces after a 15 year career (if you're lucky enough to play that long), but how many professional sports team owners are black? And for every black guy who makes the team, how many who've put every...last...ounce of themselves into sports, without focusing on their studies in high school or college, don't make it?

Quotas are just a way of putting a bandaid on a deeper problem. So's the welfare system as it exists today. Sorry, someone on welfare shouldn't be driving a big ass cadillac yakking on a cel phone. Financial aid in colleges is a joke. For every person who genuinely wants to get a college education and gets financial aid for that purpose, there's twenty or more who come to school for the first month til the check clears, then withdraws and keeps the money.

There is a race problem. The system in place now isn't going to fix it.

Things aren't going to change with the race thing until people stop seeing color entirely and judge based on the person, not the skin.

It's not like Europeans assaulted the coast of Africa and captured people for slaves, as is the common misconception. Much too hard and dangerous. They bought slaves from the coastal African kings and chiefs, who got them from the interior from other Africans.

Just food for thought.

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I know I am probably opening the door for a lot of flaming, but I am just tired and fed up with the racism that is found everywhere you go. This probably isn’t your typical racism rant.

I stand by the belief that 'black pride' is just as bad as 'white pride'. The KKK and the Black Panthers are extremist, stupid, and violent groups (I don’t know much about them, but I do know they were founded based on skin color.)

I agree that the whole slavery issue back in our history is a very bad thing. It’s important that people are taught about it so that it wont be repeated in the future. Slavery in any form is despicable and depraved, be it centuries ago or decades ago. I wish that it had never happened, both in the US and elsewhere. But the fact remains, while I wish it didn’t happen, I am not going to act abashed or shameful when someone brings it up. Yes, I am Caucasian. Yes, I think it was a bad thing. But no, never in my life have I owned a slave. Never in my life have I looked down on someone based on the color of their skin.

I don’t appreciate being ridiculed because of the color of my skin.

Now, doesn’t that sound familiar?

I'm not saying that it happens all the time, but every once and a while, you meet those certain people who play the drama of it all. I have been accused of being affiliated with extremist groups on the sole ground that I didn’t start apologizing for my skin when someone brought up the concept of slavery. I understand and respect one's right to speech, but only if they understand and respect my right not to listen. I've heard it all before and it ceases to affect me.

Now, don’t think I am attacking African Americans here. I'm not. I have a LOT of African American friends and I love them dearly. The reason that I actually wrote this rant is because of a teacher of mine. She was my history teacher. And no, she's not African American. She's Caucasian, just like me. But she seems to have it in her head that we're all still the racist jerks of the Civil War era.

I do not need to go to school and be belittled about something I can’t change. I know that de-facto segregation is still around today. Any person that tells you otherwise is an idiot. But it doesn’t mean I participate in it. If anything, those people who continue harping about events decades back in history are the racist people, be they Caucasian, African American, Native American, Hispanic, Japanese American, or any other race in this country. Do people not realize that Caucasian males, who are often the most targeted group in regards to people saying that they are racist bastards, are fast becoming the minority?

The reason my teacher set me off was because of a comment she made. Here is what she said, word-for-word, looking us straight in the eyes:

"As whites, you have no IDEA how bad it is, and it’s about time you did."

And then she put in a documentary that explained the plights of African American citizens.

Segregation goes both ways. Like I stated before, 'white pride' and 'black pride' are basically the opposite sides of the same coin. I understand that African Americans are sometimes raised in slums. Know what? So are white people. I know that African Americans are sometimes discriminated against, and yes, in some places it’s even more so than anyone else. But you know what? With the equal opportunity laws, it happens to the Caucasian population too. Those laws set up quotas, and quotas are not really good for anyone. I don’t believe that in this day and age, or any day for that matter, should people be handed something to them because of the color of their skin or their ancestry. If a person can make the qualifications for a certain career, school, or whatever they want to do with their life, it should not be taken away in favor of someone less qualified because of race, gender, or birthplace.

I suppose there is no real point to this essay other than to vent my frustration. Feel free to ignore it, feel free to flame, feel free to add or pick apart this post. Really, go ahead.

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In my opinion, most of the people who throw the race card are using slavery as an excuse to gain popularity. I don't know anyone alive who is a slave or a slave-owner anymore so I can't see the logic in harping on about slavery.

Nelson Mandela's comments were completely inappropriate and totally one-sided. Race has nothing to do with a possible war with Iraq and he should be ashamed of even bringing that up.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone by this post but I just felt that I needed to say my opinion. It hurts me that Nelson Mandela would say this because he is actually one of my idols. For him to say something so one-sided and unfair like that upset me.

You fucking crazy? I had nothing to do with slavery, if you want an apology, go ask the slave drivers in their graves, don't hold me to all the bullshit just because I'm white, guilty by association..

Anyone can take that as they please, but I am not racist. I don't live in the past, nor am I going to answer for someone who is long gone and dead. Just because they did something in the past, doesn't mean I did it too.

Personally, Tyra Banks is hot!

Nice pipe dream, but it'll never happen.