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Topic: The State of the Union
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-28-2003 10:08:00 PM
Anyone watch it?

Thoughts?



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 10:09:07 PM
Not too bad. I agree with most of the things he put forward, don't know about the methods, though.
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 10:09:43 PM
I saw the last few minutes of it.

Invoking god's name that many times was probably a bad idea, given the subject matter.

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 01-28-2003 10:09:48 PM
I wanted to, but I'm at work

Anyone care to highlight the main points?


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-28-2003 10:10:23 PM
Did anyone else laugh when he said, "Let's put it this way: They are no longer a threat...". Damn amusing in my opinon.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 10:12:13 PM
quote:
Lyinar Ka`Bael spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I wanted to, but I'm at work

Anyone care to highlight the main points?


Iraq, economy, poor kids in Africa.

Drysart
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 10:12:19 PM
quote:
Lyinar Ka`Bael Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I wanted to, but I'm at work

Anyone care to highlight the main points?


Bush claims to be able to simultaneously cut taxes, institute expensive new government programs, wage war, and still not "leave problems for future Congresses or Presidents" (like an enormous budget imbalance).

Go figure that one out. Maybe he's hired Enron's old accounting team to run the treasury.

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Drysart ]

Sean
posted 01-28-2003 10:12:22 PM
Nope. I was watching Volcano. Now I'm watching The Shield.
A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Yuri
posted 01-28-2003 10:12:46 PM
He went over quite a bit of new programs that all sound good. Such as:

Hydrogen powered car research
AIDS research
Other biological viri research

Also, of course, he talked about Iraq and the war on terrorism.

All in all a good speech. I'd just like to see some of it done for once.

Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 10:13:09 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Drysart:
Bush claims to be able to simultaneously cut taxes, institute expensive new government programs, wage war, and still not "leave problems for future Congresses or Presidents".

Go figure that one out. Maybe he's hired Enron's old accounting team to run the treasury.


I was thinking that too. He's cutting taxes and he's talking about introducing like, 5 multi-billion dollar programs.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 01-28-2003 10:15:20 PM
quote:
Yuri had this to say about Matthew Broderick:

Hydrogen powered car research



Damn, I'm sorry to miss that. We read about that in my chem class last year and they were really making strides into the whole thing.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Gadani
U
posted 01-28-2003 10:15:59 PM
woo... more debt for america...
Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 01-28-2003 10:18:10 PM
quote:
Lyinar Ka`Bael said this about your mom:

Damn, I'm sorry to miss that. We read about that in my chem class last year and they were really making strides into the whole thing.

My teacher tells me that they have functioning models, and they are 99.2% pollution free, and they're workign on that last .8%, with that last bit being from burnt oil.

Edit: Apparentl Natural Gas cars are out in California, as well.

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Tegadil ]

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 01-28-2003 10:18:17 PM
quote:
Suddar stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I was thinking that too. He's cutting taxes and he's talking about introducing like, 5 multi-billion dollar programs.

Yep. the rich people get a nice huge tax cut.

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Nina
posted 01-28-2003 10:19:35 PM
quote:
Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about John Romero:
Damn, I'm sorry to miss that. We read about that in my chem class last year and they were really making strides into the whole thing.

There was an article about it 2 issues of Discover ago. If I remember correctly... Ford and 2 japanese companies were already releasing hybrid fuel cell engines. I thought I would definitely get one once they're widespread.

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Tier ]

Maradon!
posted 01-28-2003 10:21:59 PM
quote:
Verily, Blindy McBlinderson doth proclaim:
Yep. the rich people get a nice huge tax cut.

You mean tax payers got a tax cut.

And who signs your paycheck again? I guarantee you it isn't a poor guy.

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Maradon XP ]

Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 10:22:35 PM
quote:
Maradon XP had this to say about Captain Planet:
You mean tax payers got a tax cut.

And who signs your paycheck again? I garuntee you it isn't a poor guy.


Exactly. The tax plan makes perfect sense to me, I just hope he implements it well.

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 01-28-2003 10:24:33 PM
quote:
Maradon XP had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
You mean tax payers got a tax cut.

And who signs your paycheck again? I garuntee you it isn't a poor guy.


I think a larger tax cut on my paycheck would help me more than the owner of the privately held company that pays my wages getting more money for himself.

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Maradon!
posted 01-28-2003 10:27:44 PM
quote:
Verily, Blindy McBlinderson doth proclaim:
I think a larger tax cut on my paycheck would help me more than the owner of the privately held company that pays my wages getting more money for himself.

ROFL. Right.

So they get more money for themselves. What do they do with more money for themselves? Try to make more money, right? Oh, sure, a little goes towards thier groceries and houses and things, but it all more or less goes towards making even more money.

And how do they make even more money? By invensting in someone ELSE'S business? Or do they expand thier OWN business by adding jobs and raising wages to make the position seem more desierable?

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 01-28-2003 10:34:38 PM
I love it when people say they can cut taxes yet still wage war. A war with Iraq will cost us billions upon billions of dollars; it is the pinacle of ignorance to believe that there would a tax cut during such a phase.
"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Nina
posted 01-28-2003 10:35:31 PM
quote:
Reynar's fortune cookie read:
I love it when people say they can cut taxes yet still wage war. A war with Iraq will cost us billions upon billions of dollars; it is the pinacle of ignorance to believe that there would a tax cut during such a phase.

Well, y'know Dubya...

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Tier ]

Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 10:35:33 PM
If I had any doubt in my mind that Iraq was not a threat to America, its gone now.

The AIDS Relief For Africa program was an awesome idea in my opinion.

The tax cuts make me uneasy. I really believe that Bush's administration's domestic policies are idiotic.

Lemme put it this way... OMFGHAHAHAHAHAHLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Kinanik
Upset about being titless
posted 01-28-2003 10:38:11 PM
Debt is what holds the world together.
Gully Foyle is my name
And Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination
Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 10:41:26 PM

I hope they allow remote linking.

Star Collective
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 10:49:40 PM
I'm not exactly a math major, but if the government takes in less money, and spends more, doesn't that mean that the country gets deeper into debt?

(Yes, I did watch the State of the Union. I didn't realize how chrismatic Bush Jr. is. I actually found myself agreeing with him at certain points. Then again, he might have just been right.)

The atrocities in Iraq are outrageous, the weapons unaccounted for and the fact that Hussein lied about 'em has removed any doubts about going to war with Iraq, its nice of him to be thinking about those poor people in Africa, and hydrogen fuel would certainly decrease the cost of gas, since its quite a common element in the atmosphere, at least from my understanding.

{Edit} h and BM, I agree, I got a few chuckles out of that.

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Star Collective ]

The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-28-2003 10:53:37 PM
quote:
Star Collective was listening to Cher while typing:
The atrocities in Iraq are outrageous

hahahahaahahahhahaahha

Beta Tested
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 10:56:11 PM
I stopped paying attention to Bush at the Presidential Debate. You know that thing back before the election? Where Bush started shouting FUZZY NUMBERS(or was it MATH ?) at Gore when pointing out the impracticalities of tax cuts and drilling in Alaska.
What's this thing do?
That would be sooo cool if it wasn't going to hurt us.
Melphina's Magelo
Star Collective
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 10:57:45 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Kegwen!
hahahahaahahahhahaahha

I cannot decide whether you're implying that the torture going on in Iraq is only propaganda for bleeding hearts, or whether you genuinely don't give a crap about any innocents that might be over there. Please, don't leave me in suspense.

The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-28-2003 10:58:14 PM
quote:
From the book of Beta Tested, chapter 3, verse 16:
I stopped paying attention to Bush at the Presidential Debate. You know that thing back before the election? Where Bush started shouting FUZZY NUMBERS(or was it MATH ?) at Gore when pointing out the impracticalities of tax cuts and drilling in Alaska.

Things change. Get used to it.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-28-2003 10:58:51 PM
quote:
From the book of Star Collective, chapter 3, verse 16:
I cannot decide whether you're implying that the torture going on in Iraq is only propaganda for bleeding hearts, or whether you genuinely don't give a crap about any innocents that might be over there. Please, don't leave me in suspense.

I'm trying to find a less biased article on the subject.

Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 11:00:20 PM
Kegwen, honestly, if you want to be taken seriously at all you're going to have to do more than laugh merrily or flame when somebody disagrees with you. I'm guilty of it too, but I usually try to contribute at the very least.

But anyway, I know you don't pay attention to my posts.

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 01-28-2003 11:02:01 PM
quote:
Maradon XP had this to say about Tron:
ROFL. Right.

So they get more money for themselves. What do they do with more money for themselves? Try to make more money, right? Oh, sure, a little goes towards thier groceries and houses and things, but it all more or less goes towards making even more money.

And how do they make even more money? By invensting in someone ELSE'S business? Or do they expand thier OWN business by adding jobs and raising wages to make the position seem more desierable?


So giving money directly to the working class is throwing it away? I'm not following your logic.

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 01-28-2003 11:02:04 PM
this is not a double post.

[ 01-28-2003: Message edited by: Blindy McBlinderson ]

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-28-2003 11:03:44 PM
quote:
So quoth Suddar:
Kegwen, honestly, if you want to be taken seriously at all you're going to have to do more than laugh merrily or flame when somebody disagrees with you. I'm guilty of it too, but I usually try to contribute at the very least.

But anyway, I know you don't pay attention to my posts.


And you have me on ignore on AIM.

Anyway, I immediately went looking for facts to back up my laughter, and I have yet to find something sufficient.

Sure, I could post something from Rush Limbaugh, but everyone would dismiss it as false before they even read it. If that man copied the word of God EXACTLY people would dismiss it as a lie.

Sooooo.... I'm looking.

Star Collective
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 11:04:21 PM
quote:
Kegwen had this to say about Tron:
I'm trying to find a less biased article on the subject.

So you think its just propaganda then?

I thought the threat of torture and rape of children while the parents were forced to watch was a little much to be made up, but hey, thats just going by what Bush said.

My first impulse was in fact, skepticism, and I would be delighted to find out Bush just cut this stuff out of whole cloth to garner more support. That means that innocents in Iraq are NOT suffering these horrors, and less human suffering = good IMO.

The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 01-28-2003 11:04:52 PM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about Robocop:
Did anyone else laugh when he said, "Let's put it this way: They are no longer a threat...". Damn amusing in my opinon.

Yeah...he just had to keep this all G-rated I guess.

Bush doesn't like me. I was on the phone for the first half or so of the address, and as soon as I get off Bush says "Go home and die."...




moogle is the 3241727861th binary digit of pi

Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-28-2003 11:06:23 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Star Collective wrote:
So you think its just propaganda then?

I thought the threat of torture and rape of children while the parents were forced to watch was a little much to be made up, but hey, thats just going by what Bush said.

My first impulse was in fact, skepticism, and I would be delighted to find out Bush just cut this stuff out of whole cloth to garner more support. That means that innocents in Iraq are NOT suffering these horrors, and less human suffering = good IMO.


Last I heard, the innocents in Iraqi territory that is not controlled by Saddam are doing just fine.

Suddar
posted 01-28-2003 11:06:44 PM
quote:
Kegwen had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
And you have me on ignore on AIM.

I do? I know I removed you from my buddy list (and I do that to a lot of people just because I don't like it getting too big and I end up adding them again if they ever IM me again) but I don't remember blocking you.

And you're right, I did. I don't know when that happened, I was probably irritated at something else and just being pissy. You're off now.

Star Collective
Pancake
posted 01-28-2003 11:07:05 PM
quote:
^Moogle-plush-doll^ had this to say about Robocop:
I was on the phone for the first half or so of the address, and as soon as I get off Bush says "Go home and die."...

Roofles.

The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-28-2003 11:07:54 PM
quote:
Suddar attempted to be funny by writing:
I do? I know I removed you from my buddy list (and I do that to a lot of people just because I don't like it getting too big and I end up adding them again if they ever IM me again) but I don't remember blocking you.

And you're right, I did. I don't know when that happened, I was probably irritated at something else and just being pissy. You're off now.


Yeah, I tend to piss you off a lot, it seems. =P

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