There are two proposals on the table to curb what my analysts call the ;FUCKING IMMATURE GRUDGES PISSING ME OFF; quotient on the forums.
Proposal A
First of which is what I call the ;Stay out of my goddamned threads; list. Any user can 'ban' any other specific users from posting replies in any thread they start.
This is for those cases when you feel someone is just being an ass to you to be an ass to you and you want to take your ball and go home.
Proposal B
Second motion on the floor is called Ludicrous-Ignore (;They've gone to plaid!;), which is a super ignore list, per user, that only the crack moderator team (or is that the moderator team on crack?) has access to add and remove entries on. If a moderator puts someone on your Ludicrous-Ignore list, you never see any of their posts. Ever. You don't even have the option to click to see their posts. They are effectively blacklisted to you, and you can't do a damn thing about it. As an optional feature, mentioning anyone on your Ludicrous-Ignore list in any negative context is grounds for immediate banning for the heinous crime of ;not knowing when to shut the hell up and leave well enough alone;.
This is for those cases when someone hates someone else oh so much that, instead of using the tools already at their disposal to lessen the OMG EXCRUCIATING PAIN of having to share a forum with them, they instead post a thread stating how much they hate said other user. The drug-addled moderators can solve the problem once and for all.
[ 01-23-2003: Message edited by: Drysart ]
Please cast your votes on what you think, and remember that Taran is evil and may decide to ignore your votes completely.
It's a serious question. I haven't watched anything but The Shield and The X-Files in two years. [ 01-23-2003: Message edited by: D ]
Thus, I vote for A. But wonder if someone can set it to ban every single person from a thread.
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D had this to say about dark elf butts:
First off.. what was "The Emeril Show"?
You know who Emeril Lagasse is, right?
They gave him a sitcom.
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JooJooFlop said this about your mom:
You know who Emeril Lagasse is, right?
No, but that sounds bad.
Go with A. [ 01-23-2003: Message edited by: D ]
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
I'm not sure what to vote though. I don't know how either option would really work but you're welcome to try it. I'm not voting either way here.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
A will just be abused.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Drysart was all like:
Proposal BSecond motion on the floor is called Ludicrous-Ignore (;They've gone to plaid!;), which is a super ignore list, per user, that only the crack moderator team (or is that the moderator team on crack?) has access to add and remove entries on. If a moderator puts someone on your Ludicrous-Ignore list, you never see any of their posts. Ever. You don't even have the option to click to see their posts. They are effectively blacklisted to you, and you can't do a damn thing about it. As an optional feature, mentioning anyone on your Ludicrous-Ignore list in any negative context is grounds for immediate banning for the heinous crime of ;not knowing when to shut the hell up and leave well enough alone;.
This is for those cases when someone hates someone else oh so much that, instead of using the tools already at their disposal to lessen the OMG EXCRUCIATING PAIN of having to share a forum with them, they instead post a thread stating how much they hate said other user. The drug-addled moderators can solve the problem once and for all.
Please cast your votes on what you think, and remember that Taran is evil and may decide to ignore your votes completely.
And here we see one of the problems with plan B, posters quoting each other. Even without the intent to cause problems, it will let person A know at least part of what person B said.
Second, would be alt accounts being used to bypass the Ludicrous-Ignore list. Similar to both points, someone else can just relay someting of interest to person A.
Third point is that person B could still post stuff that might be taken as an insult to person A. To be truely fair, you would have to make it work both ways, person A can't see person B, and person B can't see person A.
I think it would be better to just keep the posts from being made in the first place. That way, if (just as an example) Zaile and Japolo were fighting, Zaile would be unable to troll Japolo's threads, and vice versa.
That would still allow them to post at each other in someone else's thread (one of mine, for example), but there would be no more thread derailment just for spite.
I'm voting for choice A, but I do suggest a slight addition. Using an alt account to bypass the posting restriction is against the rules.
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Palador ChibiDragon stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
And here we see one of the problems with plan B, posters quoting each other. Even without the intent to cause problems, it will let person A know at least part of what person B said.Second, would be alt accounts being used to bypass the Ludicrous-Ignore list. Similar to both points, someone else can just relay someting of interest to person A.
Third point is that person B could still post stuff that might be taken as an insult to person A. To be truely fair, you would have to make it work both ways, person A can't see person B, and person B can't see person A.
#1: I can't prevent someone from seeing someone else's posts entirely. However if they've shown tendencies to not be able to behave themselves and play nice with others in the past, then I sure won't make it easy for them to do so.
#2: I know all alt accounts. If you switch to an alt to bypass Ludicrous-Ignore, go right ahead; but the extra condition that you're immediately banned for bringing up someone on your Ludicrious-Ignore list in any negative context covers that rather well since I'll apply it to alts as well (because in order to bypass the ignore list you'd need to log out and in as your alt, and there's no need to do that if you're simply posting as your alt).
#3: Anyone who has an entry added to their Ludicrous-Ignore list has it added because they've proven themselves unable to resolve their problems with maturity. I am not interested in being fair at that point.
A would not work. We basically have the same function now in the ignore button. It doesn't stop them from reading your threads, but it stops you from seeing their responses. The problem is, the people who are causing these problems(myself included ) don't use it already. There's no reason to believe A would be used either.
And really, the more common problems occur in threads that neither person start. More often than not it's two people who happen to meet in someone elses thread with differing ideas, not a thread started by someone.
I have created a dramatization for your enjoyment! (ed note: No one was actually flamed in the filming of this short story)
Karnaj makes a thread to say he likes pie.
Lyinar says she likes cake.
I agree with Karnaj.
Lyinar calls me a sheep.
Parce flames Lyinar.
Lots of people flame Lyinar.
Deth flames everyone.
I realize a boulder has begun falling down the mountain and begin posting nothing but 
's
Lyinar accuses me of hiding behind smilies instead of giving my true feelings.
Chelsem comes out of retirement to make a "Can't we all just get along?" post before dissapearing and not coming back for three more months.
Azizza flirts with some girl.
Abbigail flirts with some girl.
Bloodsage makes a long post using lots of big words.
MadCat says something about Americans.
RPCrest pops in and starts taking on all comers.
Drysart gets pissed and flames everyone with big, bold letters on a red background before locking the thread and banning me(again) before unbanning me three hours later(again) for the third time in a week.
THE END!
That's how most of the flames I see start around here. Sometimes Lyinar goes trolling in a Parce thread or Parce in a Lyinar thread or me in everyone's thread, but more often than not they just clash in other people's threads. Option A wouldn't solve that at all, as by the end of the thread half the board is involved. But it could have all been avoided if I couldn't see that Lyinar posted at all, or she me or Parce her or whatever.
We can already skip past their posts with the ignore feature, but the biggest problem people don't use it.(Myself included, again. I have a few people on ignore but curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of me and I read their posts, and obviously I'm not the only one.)
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ACES! Another post by Drysart:
#3: Anyone who has an entry added to their Ludicrous-Ignore list has it added because they've proven themselves unable to resolve their problems with maturity. I am not interested in being fair at that point.
I can't fault you for that. 
The more I think about it, the more I think I may have misvoted (guess I should move to Florida). Change my vote to B.
So, maybe it's just me, but I see a lot of "This Person Sucks!" threads being brought into existence merely so someone can get the Uber-ignore turned on for them - so they can't turn it off.
Though, the lesser evil would be propostion A.
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Frog had this to say about dark elf butts:
Just to give a bit of a reason for my choice, though Drysart doesn't care!A would not work. We basically have the same function now in the ignore button. It doesn't stop them from reading your threads, but it stops you from seeing their responses. The problem is, the people who are causing these problems(myself included
) don't use it already. There's no reason to believe A would be used either.
And really, the more common problems occur in threads that neither person start. More often than not it's two people who happen to meet in someone elses thread with differing ideas, not a thread started by someone.
I have created a dramatization for your enjoyment! (ed note: No one was actually flamed in the filming of this short story)
Karnaj makes a thread to say he likes pie.
Lyinar says she likes cake.
I agree with Karnaj.
Lyinar calls me a sheep.
Parce flames Lyinar.
Lots of people flame Lyinar.
Deth flames everyone.
I realize a boulder has begun falling down the mountain and begin posting nothing but's
Lyinar accuses me of hiding behind smilies instead of giving my true feelings.
Chelsem comes out of retirement to make a "Can't we all just get along?" post before dissapearing and not coming back for three more months.
Azizza flirts with some girl.
Abbigail flirts with some girl.
Bloodsage makes a long post using lots of big words.
MadCat says something about Americans.
RPCrest pops in and starts taking on all comers.
Drysart gets pissed and flames everyone with big, bold letters on a red background before locking the thread and banning me(again) before unbanning me three hours later(again) for the third time in a week.THE END!
That's how most of the flames I see start around here. Sometimes Lyinar goes trolling in a Parce thread or Parce in a Lyinar thread or me in everyone's thread, but more often than not they just clash in other people's threads. Option A wouldn't solve that at all, as by the end of the thread half the board is involved. But it could have all been avoided if I couldn't see that Lyinar posted at all, or she me or Parce her or whatever.
We can already skip past their posts with the ignore feature, but the biggest problem people don't use it.(Myself included, again. I have a few people on ignore but curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of me and I read their posts, and obviously I'm not the only one.)
Comedy cupcake!
The only way for it to be cancelled is a direct PM to you.
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This one time, at ¤Delidgamond¤ camp:
Ya, do the L-Ignore. But to enable it, you must first ignore the person, then there would be an option in like, the upper left corner of the ignore window saying Ludicrous-Ignore, followed by a "Are you Sure?" javascript box.The only way for it to be cancelled is a direct PM to you.
I don't think it should be able to be cancelled. If you can't come to a rational agreement with someone to the point that you feel the need to block all their posts from your sight PERIOD, I don't think it should ever be removed without significant extenuating circumstances.
Frankly, I think it's a sad statement that either of these ideas are considered worth contemplation. So, if it MUST come to it, I'd prefer it to be permanent.
within a solid week, you could have the majority of grudges done in a few fell swoops.
I would just also recommend that you ban anyone who logs an alternate account just to read (and dare to troll) a thread they're L-Ignored on, ban them with a tasty groove.
and, in the name of all that is holy, do not give Deligamond anything that resembles power, authority, or responsabilities, or we'll all die...terribly.
my opinions on the matter.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
I wouldn't want to be yanked out of a thread I was doing something in because someone threw a hissy fit... Or I wouldn't want to be yanked from a thread then have people comment on my posts in the thread....
For the Ludicrous-Ignore thing...
I don't ignore people, because even though I don't like certain people... Maybe even ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I don't like them, I want to read their posts... Y'know, that whole keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, thing...
But that's pushing it.
I say option B.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Black Mage wrote:
Both ideas suck in my opinion, simply because there shouldn't be a need for crap like this.Though, the lesser evil would be propostion A.
What he said.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
I wouldn't have to use Alert Moderator with a function like that.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
I can Threadban some mouthy person who takes everything under the fuckin sun as an insult.
Then said person puts me on UberIgnore, and They dont see the threads I start, or what i say, UNLESS they specifically go looking to have thier feelings hurt by the person they dont want to hear from anyway.
Making it.. reverse trolling? Going hunting for an attack in a thread you never wanted to read, and shouldnt have seen if you didnt want to. Meaning you would have no right to bitch.
Whats not to like?
Specific people being blocked from posting in 50% of the threads?
I dont mind that so much.. and I'd likely be blocked as much as that other person i'm not mentioning.
A and B. But maybe for A have a box giving said reason for the ban.
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This insanity brought to you by Black Mage:
Both ideas suck in my opinion, simply because there shouldn't be a need for crap like this.Though, the lesser evil would be propostion A.
I third this.
Personally, I think that instating them will allow the less-than-mature type of posters to have free reign on their insulting. They will get it into their heads that they will NOT be punished, only slapped on the wrist with little ignores and maybe a thread ban or two.
Thread banning would be severely abused. People would ban others from their threads just to do it, leading to other people being banned from other threads, and that would turn not into a way to keep the peace here, but a way to carry on more grudges in a new fashion.
The option of mod ignore like that would not be QUITE as bad, given that who-ever the mods happen to be are non-biased. I really don't think having non-biased mods are possible, but you never know.
So, in short, I vote for neither.
However, there are some that have proven they can't do anything maturely, so it'll probably end up just making a bigger problem.
The mod-ignore method could be abused, too. Someone could bait someone else into a flamefight just to get that person on thier ludicrous-ignore list. Or perhaps start a bunch of "I hate soandso" threads.
I don't really see a way to fix the problem... People have different opinions, and people often get insulted when they're told their opinions are crap. Either of these features would eventually lead to all the board members ignopring each other.
