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Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-29-2002 06:16:45 PM
For an RPG that was more RP and less G.

I want to play online and roleplay and have fun but it's all 'exp exp exp level level level' and shit.

I hope WoW ends up being more than just another level-fest.

Matilda Jane
ph33r my MIRVs
posted 12-29-2002 06:18:08 PM
quote:
Khyron had this to say about Captain Planet:
online and roleplay

ahahahhahaha

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Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 12-29-2002 06:18:15 PM
Why should it?

WC etc... pretty straight Strategy games.

I think WoW will be true to form and I wouldn't look for a roleplay-y MMORPG.. It doesn't sell.

What happens is that there's a small RP community in each game (except maybe EQ). I imagine WoW will be the same.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-29-2002 06:18:38 PM
I think that's why I prefer single-player RPG's to MMORPG's.

Single player RPG's have a party that works together consistently, has story sandwiched between the fights... and while hunting to level up is always optional, if you play through the story, you end up powerful enough not to need additional hunting. Unlike a game like EQ, which has no real 'story' to play through... =/

Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 12-29-2002 06:19:51 PM
Exactly, two different genres. It'd be nice and sometimes you find a good RP community to do that kind of thing (Old Spiritwood on UO Europa comes to mind...)
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-29-2002 06:20:12 PM
quote:
Terena Azal was listening to Cher while typing:
ahahahhahaha

Wow. You're just as helpful and informative as Tier

Matilda Jane
ph33r my MIRVs
posted 12-29-2002 06:21:07 PM
quote:
Khyron thought about the meaning of life:
Wow. You're just as helpful and informative as Tier

I really did get a laugh out of that. I just felt like sharing.

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Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-29-2002 06:22:58 PM
quote:
Terena Azal was naked while typing this:
I really did get a laugh out of that. I just felt like sharing.

Thank you, Tier #2

Nina
posted 12-29-2002 06:24:59 PM
Hey, she's right. Try to see a MMOG where people roleplay... :P

And you didn't ask for information either, so she can be uninformative! MOOT MOOT!

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-29-2002 06:32:30 PM
quote:
Tier had this to say about John Romero:
Hey, she's right. Try to see a MMOG where people roleplay... :P

And you didn't ask for information either, so she can be uninformative! MOOT MOOT!


That's the problem now...

What I truly wish for is an MMORPG with a story that the players can play through.

I don't know how it could be done, though...

Tristan
Vidi, vici, veni.
Nae's Stooge
posted 12-29-2002 06:33:12 PM
Are you kidding?

Do me favor: Take a look at the battle.net fourms, and then tell me if you exepect ANY of the people there not to turn into d00ds.

Veni, vidi, vici
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 12-29-2002 06:37:00 PM
quote:
Khyron had this to say about dark elf butts:
That's the problem now...

What I truly wish for is an MMORPG with a story that the players can play through.

I don't know how it could be done, though...


Asheron's Call 2 seems to be on the right track from what I have seen of it.

Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 12-29-2002 06:40:03 PM
quote:
Verily, Falaanla Marr doth proclaim:
Asheron's Call 2 seems to be on the right track from what I have seen of it.

o_O No, the closest are the vault quests where you just get a bit of tacky storyline told to you when you complete it..

Ac2 is empty

Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 12-29-2002 06:43:41 PM
From what I understand of FFXI it sounds like it could be something like what you're looking for...sadly, though, it doesn't look like there will be playable moogles.



moogle is the 3241727861th binary digit of pi

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Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-29-2002 07:10:58 PM
NM, I'm just angsting about lack of immersive, roleplay-centric MMORPG goodness.

[ 12-29-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 12-29-2002 07:16:34 PM
quote:
Khyron was listening to Cher while typing:
For an RPG that was more RP and less G.

I want to play online and roleplay and have fun but it's all 'exp exp exp level level level' and shit.

I hope WoW ends up being more than just another level-fest.


LOL. If I were you I wouldn't get my hopes up. With the kinds of players that Blizzard games usually draw, you can expect the exact opposite of what you want.

It will be a powergamers playground, to expect anything else...is to have some bizaare faith in mankind =)

Besides, DEV teams havent been able to break out of the leveling design method for a quite a while, even if they dont have "levels" they have something else similar enough to them.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Steven Steve
posted 12-29-2002 07:27:21 PM
If it's an RPG, everyone knows the real goal is to level up.

If it isn't it probably isn't acceptable as a "game." I mean let's think about this.

The Final Fantasy series is very acclaimed because you really have to level up to get anywhere in the game, and you'll often find yourself standing around just fighting guys to get stronger.

Daikatana, however, was a flop. It was theoretically a good idea - mixing RPG elements with a first person shooter using the Quake 2 engine. Why did it suck so? You didn't NEED the RPG elements. Sadly, the game depended on the RPG concept to get by, and that didn't work. (Not to mention the fact that the rest of the game was half-assed)

Leave the role playing for real life

"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Maradon!
posted 12-29-2002 07:33:48 PM
you're looking for something like this

It's my personal opinion that you're stuck with level fests until technology develops to the point where a signifigant level of environmental interaction is possible.

An utterly static environment filled with characters that are completely indifferent to your existence kinda kills the entertainment in going and acting out a part, for the vast majority of people.

[ 12-29-2002: Message edited by: Maradon XP ]

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 12-29-2002 08:58:49 PM
The closest thing you're going to get are games like NWN, Morrowind, and the forthcoming Fable (X-Box, and it looks bitchin').

I've played a few MMORPGs, and in my experience, everybody does roleplay for a couple of months. Then, they get sick of it.

*shrug*

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 12-29-2002 09:08:18 PM
Furcadia yo

Regret calamities if you can thereby help the sufferer; if not, attend to your own work and allready the evil begins to be repaired
- Self Rreliance
Cass
Pancake
posted 12-29-2002 09:09:22 PM
quote:
Mog had this to say about Robocop:
Furcadia yo

I actually tried that once, hon. Never again.

Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 12-29-2002 09:26:43 PM
I hate that game with a passion....yet nto only is it saspeodly very roleplay oriented, but somehow poeple keep getting me to play agaiin way too many times, and i always exopect it to be good becosue i never gave it a chance.....adn its always awful

Regret calamities if you can thereby help the sufferer; if not, attend to your own work and allready the evil begins to be repaired
- Self Rreliance
Talonus
Loner
posted 12-29-2002 09:58:59 PM
Unless you want to search for a good MUD, which is easier said than done, your best bet for this would be the non-mainstream MMOGS or in the Korean market. They tend to rely on RPing and events to keep customers.

Nexon's games used to be pretty good about integrating RPing into a MMOG, but not sure how that's going these days. May wanna start your search there.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 12-29-2002 11:31:49 PM
Until you can get XP and progress in the game on the merits of your ability to RP, you be screwed. Make more money getting players to work the level grind.
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Ozimander
$$$$$$$$$$$
posted 12-29-2002 11:34:12 PM
quote:
This one time, at Mog camp:
Furcadia yo

God that's a fun game.


What?


What'd I say?

Ozius

Arrenn Lightblade
Yes. Yes he is.
posted 12-29-2002 11:40:29 PM
I think that the perfect system would be a classless system. You start with basic stats according to race, then you increase what skills you want. Something like that..
Liam
Swims in Erotic Circles
posted 12-29-2002 11:42:47 PM
quote:
Arrenn Lightblade stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I think that the perfect system would be a classless system. You start with basic stats according to race, then you increase what skills you want. Something like that..

They made UO a couple of years back, you may have heard of it.

They're also making SW:G

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-29-2002 11:48:06 PM
quote:
Arrenn Lightblade had this to say about Duck Tales:
I think that the perfect system would be a classless system. You start with basic stats according to race, then you increase what skills you want. Something like that..

Like, UO or AC you mean. UO is devoid of RPing. AC has a good share of it

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 12-29-2002 11:48:29 PM
quote:
Talonus's account was hax0red to write:
[QB]Unless you want to search for a good MUD, which is easier said than done,QB]

There are a BUNCH of good RP-focused ones out there, depending on what you want and what you don't. If you want strict RP, search for one named Armageddon. If you want a decent mix of RP and gamey stuff, Feudal Realms is good. Blue Facial MUD is a good one, same with Icesus, and I'm playing one named Rehobaom's Legacy right now.

If you're really that curious, I'll provide links/addresses .



I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Archon
Pancake
posted 12-30-2002 12:22:05 AM
quote:
Nicole's fortune cookie read:
If you're really that curious, I'll provide links/addresses .

Whether or not he is, i am.

Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 12-30-2002 01:20:28 AM
You just want to make me have to freakin' look, don't you .

Armageddon - http://www.armageddon.org/

Feudal Realms - http://feudal.betterbox.net/

Blue Facial MUD (warning, haven't been in a long time) - bfm.iasis.net port 1234

Icesus - http://www.icesus.org/Icesus/

Rehobaom's Legacy - http://www.hypercube.org/tess/rh/



I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 12-30-2002 01:29:03 AM
Oh, and almost forgot... www.mudonnector.com and www.topmudsites.com are good mudsearch sites, if you want more.


I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 12-30-2002 01:37:35 AM
As Liam has said, there's SW:G coming out in the first half of 2003.

All I've read on it (note: a hell of a lot) is pointing towards a heavily role-play baised game.

Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 12-30-2002 01:41:54 AM
quote:
Mog had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Furcadia yo

Railroad spike...in...brain...

The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 12-30-2002 02:14:04 AM
Shadowbane will probably have a bit more rping due to the dynamic player controlled enviroment. If your looking for rp though you probably don't want any of the PvP bit.
Steven Steve
posted 12-30-2002 02:17:58 AM
SO WHEN'S SHADOWBANE COMING OUT
"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 12-30-2002 03:57:59 AM
Decober 32, 40933.
You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Kinanik
Upset about being titless
posted 12-30-2002 03:59:10 AM
June 6th
Gully Foyle is my name
And Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination
Mod
Pancake
posted 12-30-2002 07:11:33 AM
Actually, PoP has a story, if you actually read what all the NPCs say instead of just klicking through to get flags it makes a good bit of sense too.

MMOGs with central static servers will always involve some kind of leveling / training / timesinks, otherwise people would play them 'till they're through the story and then quit shortly after because of the lack of things to do, this may be feasible for solo games, but a MMOG lives off monthly fees that need to keep flowing in.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 12-30-2002 08:23:07 AM
Perhaps there should be a fantasy/roleplay test tha tyou must complete before you could play a good RPG.
You must posses the ability and knowlege to roleplay and then you must be interviewed to make sure you know how to put it to use...
*sigh*
I can dream.
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