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Topic: Okay, I need some ideas. Haelp.
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 08:47:50 PM
Frankie has been chewing on her front paws for the past... oh... probably almost a year now. We can't seem to figure out exactly why, and the best remedy we've been able to come up with is to give her half of a children's anti-histamine every 12 hours or so.

At the time we thought it was a seasonal thing... you know, maybe summer/fall produces something that doesn't agree with her paws. But since that's obviously not it...

We've been wrapping them with some stretchy gauze bandage-type stuff to keep her from chewing on them, and so they'll heal.

She chews them raw... I mean, literally. They're disgusting and swollen and hairless and we don't know what to do about it. We tried some anti-itch cream, but once that wore off, she'd start chewing again, and we weren't going to put it on open wounds.

We've taken her to the vet... and he can't really do anything about it. He pretty much doesn't know what's wrong, either. He'll give her a shot and she'll do good for about two weeks or so, before she gets sick again. She's lost about a pound and a half (she originally weighed about 14 or 15, so she doesn't have much to lose). She won't eat her dry dog food anymore, my mom has to give her canned food and the occasional snackage throughout the day so she won't starve.

We tried putting a little hairspray on her paws, when they still had fur on them, and that did do some good, but she'd go outside or something and it, for the most part, didn't last...

Thought maybe she had dry skin, so we put vaseline on them and then some baby socks over that so she wouldn't get vaseline everywhere... no good.

Tried soaking them in some water and Epson salt (the vet reccommended it). No good.

Well... she tried to start on her back paws a couple of days ago... and we're just running out of ideas. We've tried just about everything we could think of. She won't play, she's usually shaking whenever somebody picks her up, she limps all over the house...

And basically... I was just wondering if any of you had any ideas, or anything that we might not have considered.

Thanks..

[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: Kloie ]

Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 07-10-2002 08:51:07 PM
Bah..didn't mean Rickets...meant that diease that cause very, very painful itching, psoriasis!

Sorry to hear about your poor puppies pain

[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: Katrinity ]

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Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 07-10-2002 08:51:52 PM
I have no idea, but I'm sorry to hear that, Kloie.

Hugs Kloklo

Hope everything works out. :/

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 07-10-2002 08:53:28 PM
Dog boots maybe...

I've seen them for sale at Pet Smart before.

Sure sounds like she is allergic to something though.

Poor pup.

G.S. Waisztarroz
Pancake
posted 07-10-2002 08:54:53 PM
Maybe give her one of those head radar dish things for a little while until you can come up with something else?

Sorry to hear about your poor dog, though.

Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 08:55:29 PM
quote:
ImNotTrent Inc. said this about your mom:
Dog boots maybe...

Tried those... the gauze and a little bit of masking tape to keep her from getting the gauze bandages off works better.

Kinda wanting her to stop doing it in the first place, though. :\

Arrenn Lightblade
Yes. Yes he is.
posted 07-10-2002 08:56:00 PM
one option might be to put hot sauce on the paws, though that could be rather messy. Another would be to be something over the paws so that he cant nibble. or you could put a big funnel around his neck. These Ideas have no medical basing, so I dont know what to say..Sorry..
Cap'n Elethi
I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt...
posted 07-10-2002 08:59:05 PM

Wasn't one of your first posts about Frankie?

Elethi Rian, A Man Of Many Talents
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 09:01:15 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Cap'n Elethi:

Wasn't one of your first posts about Frankie?


Heh.. yes... yes it was. I think it was my very first post, in fact.

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 07-10-2002 09:01:23 PM
It would probably be expensive, but can the vet do allergy tests on her?

Maybe something in her food or hell, could be anything. Maybe mange, or fleas, if there even are fleas in OK...

Try another vet too, they may have a new idea or perspective. A vet school if you have one close by, a bunch of people then trying to see if they can figure the problem out.

Wish I had more ideas to offer ya.

Cap'n Elethi
I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt...
posted 07-10-2002 09:02:28 PM
quote:
Kloie was listening to Cher while typing:
Heh.. yes... yes it was. I think it was my very first post, in fact.

I thought so.

We have a lawyer in EC, and plenty of techies, now we need a vet.


[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: Cap'n Elethi ]

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Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 09:07:38 PM
quote:
ImNotTrent Inc. had this to say about the Spice Girls:
It would probably be expensive, but can the vet do allergy tests on her?

Maybe something in her food or hell, could be anything. Maybe mange, or fleas, if there even are fleas in OK...

Try another vet too, they may have a new idea or perspective. A vet school if you have one close by, a bunch of people then trying to see if they can figure the problem out.

Wish I had more ideas to offer ya.


We can't afford to get her tested or anything...

She started chewing before she stopped eating her dry dog food, but now she'll barely touch the dry dog food, and it takes encouragment to get her to eat the canned stuff we have to buy now, too. We've never had problems with her having fleas, although we did with our last dog, King. He was a Yorkie, fleas loved him, but he was also allergic to them... sux0r. =\ (He died when I was in 3rd grade.)

I'll have to talk to my mom about going to another vet or anything like that, and I'm not sure about distance, but that's a good idea.

Lalamile
My title doesn't even make sense any more
posted 07-10-2002 09:15:23 PM
I would do something along the lines of what Arrenn said. Hot sause or something that tastes terrible...
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 09:16:14 PM
quote:
Lalamile wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I would do something along the lines of what Arrenn said. Hot sause or something that tastes terrible...

We already tried hairspray.

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 07-10-2002 09:19:24 PM
If they are open sores on the feet hot sauce would hurt like hell.

Hope something works out Kloie.

Mr. Wilams
Pancake
posted 07-10-2002 09:30:00 PM
You're probably just going to think I'm trying to be an ass or something, but...

If you've tried everything you can think of, and it continues getting worse, and I mean, becomes a serious health risk (I'm surprised it hasn't been worse, yet. open wounds are a pool-party for bacteria) there might not be much you can do. And although I'm no fan of it, you might have to be ready for outward peer pressure of putting her under.

I mean. I'm not exactly an advocet for shooting your dog with a 12-gauge in your backyard to "put it out of its misery", but if you 1.) don't know what it is, then you 2.) don't know how to fix it. Thusly, 3.) the moral delimma of waiting and enduring a lot more misery in hope of a diagnosis or not waiting and going through a lot more misery because she's gone.

I know it's not very appealing either way. Have you tried another vet? Maybe a 'specialist'?

StarShadow
Pancake
posted 07-10-2002 09:31:35 PM
Our dog had the exact same problem, and we eventually narrowed it down to an allergic reaction from something in our garden. Do you have a large garden?
Also, it's important to make sure she doesn't keep chewing. Putting anti-inflammatory cream on his paws and covering them with old songs bound with heavy medical tape or masking tape may help. Hopefully, the problem will right itself if she can leave her paws alone for a few weeks.
But I think you should find out what she's allergic too. It would most likely be something in your garden, like long grass or a certain plant. See if you can find out whether any of your plants are allergic to humans, chances are they are to dogs as well. Then again, it could be something inside your house, makeup, anything. I suppose you just need to work out where she goes most often in and outside your house.

Hope that helps.

"It's something even the Masters don't reveal about the hidden nature of the universe... the deepest and darkest of all that the Force lets you see... the universe has a sense of humour." Callista, Children of the Jedi

Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 09:32:38 PM
quote:
Mr. Wilams got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
open wounds are a pool-party for bacteria

[whisper]Pssst... the bandages and anti-bacterial stuff (A.K.A. neosporin) are working their magic on that one.[/whisper]

Mr. Wilams
Pancake
posted 07-10-2002 09:34:07 PM
quote:
Kloie had this to say about (_|_):
[whisper]Pssst... the bandages and anti-bacterial stuff (A.K.A. neosporin) are working their magic on that one.[/whisper]

psst, I must've missed the part where you said they were still on.

[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: Mr. Wilams ]

Mightion Defensor
posted 07-10-2002 09:37:20 PM
Well, if it were an alleric reaction to something she walked on, she would have done all four paws equally, not the front paws first, then to the back paws after she'd chewed the fur off the fronts...
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 09:42:09 PM
quote:
StarShadow Model 2000 was programmed to say:
[QB][/QB]

We do not have a large garden, she doesn't really go near it unless it's snowing. (Even then, if it's snowing, the plants are all dead anyway.)

We keep her from chewing by wrapping her paws with gauze bandages with some neosporin and a little masking tape so she can't get them off.

We can't afford to find out what she's allergic to. A plant of some sort gets knocked out because she did it throughout a chunk of Winter.

Right now she spends almost all of her time sleeping. (Half a children's Benadryl, remember?) Even when she isn't doped up so we can keep her from chewing on her paws when we aren't watching, she doesn't do much of anything.

Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 09:44:29 PM
quote:
Mr. Wilams had this to say about (_|_):
psst, I must've missed the part where you said they were still on.

quote:
Kloie had this to say about pies:
We've been wrapping them with some stretchy gauze bandage-type stuff to keep her from chewing on them, and so they'll heal.

quote:
Kloie had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Tried those... the gauze and a little bit of masking tape to keep her from getting the gauze bandages off works better.

:P

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 07-10-2002 09:47:55 PM
Elizabethian Collar? It's what kept our cat from chewing his stiches open and letting the arrow wound heal.

You can even make it out of household materials!

Mr. Wilams
Pancake
posted 07-10-2002 09:50:35 PM
quote:
Kloie's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
:P

Yes, but I didn't know you were DOING IT NOW. I could've figured but I don't like assuming.

Sorry.

Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 07-10-2002 10:58:57 PM
=( im sorry i cant think of anything to help, i jsut hope your dog gets better =(

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Ferret
Poing! Poing!
posted 07-10-2002 11:27:23 PM
Maybe she's allergic to your carpet?
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-10-2002 11:56:57 PM
quote:
This one time, at Ferret camp:
Maybe she's allergic to your carpet?

We've had the carpet almost as long as we've had her.

And my mom said that she took her to another vet, and they wanted to give her allergy shots. But they were really expensive and even then, there's no guarentee that it'll work. =\

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 07-11-2002 12:21:04 AM
First off, check your pet stores. I know someone who's dog had a bad habbit of chewing on himself (dry skin as I recall), and she had some kind of "bitter apple" stuff she put on him to make him stop. Kinda like the stuff that they give people that bite their nails, I guess.

Second, do some searches for dog groups on the internet. Ask there, someone may know the answer or at least have better advice.

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Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 07-11-2002 12:24:12 AM
quote:
Kloie had this to say about Punky Brewster:
We've had the carpet almost as long as we've had her.

It could be something that's gotten onto/into the carpet. A good cleaning with a Rug Doctor or something may not help her, but it's something you might want to try.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-11-2002 12:27:22 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Palador ChibiDragon said:
It could be something that's gotten onto/into the carpet. A good cleaning with a Rug Doctor or something may not help her, but it's something you might want to try.

The carpet has been shampooed between now and the time she started chewing. I am sure of it.

If a dab of hair spray (one of the worst things in the world to get in your mouth) didn't work, do you really think this "bitter apple" stuff will?

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 07-11-2002 12:31:52 AM
quote:
Kloie had this to say about Knight Rider:
If a dab of hair spray (one of the worst things in the world to get in your mouth) didn't work, do you really think this "bitter apple" stuff will?

Maybe. I know it has to be less toxic than hair spray is though. Also, if it's some kind of skin problem, hair spray might make it worse.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 07-11-2002 12:33:25 AM
I know we had some kind of anti-itch spray like last week, too, that didn't do diddly squat. My mom got it from the vet.
Kermitov
Pancake
posted 07-11-2002 05:24:24 AM
try dropping out each of your household cleaning products one at a time for a little while. Maybe allergic to floor wax or lysol or pine sol or whatever you know?
Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 07-11-2002 06:39:39 AM
kloie, that just sucks
StarShadow
Pancake
posted 07-11-2002 07:10:10 AM
quote:
Kloie had this to say about dark elf butts:
[QB]The carpet has been shampooed between now and the time she started chewing. I am sure of it.
QB]

Maybe he's allergic to the carpet itself?

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rick
Pancake
posted 07-11-2002 07:40:07 AM
Maybe it's psychological? (no seriously)

I've known that dogs can chew their fur or groom themselves repeatedly until raw when stressed.

Maybe you should take her to a pet psych? Sounds stupid, I know. But if you run out of options...

R.

Could you spare me a match? I've got a bridge to burn.
Meridian
Pancake
posted 07-11-2002 08:10:35 AM
I'm betting this is a nervous condition, and that's why she only does the front paws.

If you can get her to a new vet, or if your regular vet is open to it, see if you can get her on a very low dose of Prozac - puppy prozac. It really does work on these obsessive types of things.

As for the hot sauce remedy, dang OUCH - lets see you put hot sauce on your next owie, ok? ;p

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Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 07-11-2002 10:53:34 AM
Not to scare you Kloie, and it's fairly cureable if caught pretty early.

But check for cancerous sores on the pads of her front paws, and between the toes. You'll also probably see some swelling, and at first some sets of small bumps.

Dogs can develope a type of cancer in thier paws during middle age which annoys them fiercely, and they will do this sort of behaviour, because they can't help it. Most people just pass this off as sysmptoms of mange, or an acute alergic reaction. Your vet would know for sure, but you'd have to get your doggie in for tests somehow.

It's not THAT serious, but it can be if left untreated or contained. IF thats even what it is. Even if it's not, allergic or nervous behaviours such as these are very bad for pets health, and if left untreated, can be devistating.


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Lalian Viajante
Pancake
posted 07-11-2002 11:16:20 AM
Take your dog to Dr. Terry Wood in Mustang (at the Mustang Vetinary Hospital on SH 152). He's a great vet, and my family's or my pet have been seeing him for close to 15 years.

[ 07-11-2002: Message edited by: Lalian Viajante ]

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 07-11-2002 11:41:19 AM
Feed him to Mort.
May not be the best answer but I bet he won't chew on his paws anymore
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