At my school, seniors had the option; could either go with the formal seniors attire, get yourself a nice color picture, airbrushed and such, or you could get the standard black and white picture in the back of the seniors section of the book. Kids who were sick the day pics were taken, or who didn't want to dress in the formal attire required for the formal shoot (girls had to wear a nice dress or skirt, blouse or sweater, etc. Guys had to wear a button up shirt and tie, dress pants, etc. They had stuff you could borrow if you didn't have your own) got to have their pictures taken in their normal clothes for the black and white shoot.
Bottom line was that aside from unfortunately illness (and even then if you had an appropriate formal color pic taken and had it in by a certain date, they'd include it), the only way to NOT get the good pics was to not show willingness to cooperate with the spirit of the thing.
The problem is...for one thing not all schools have the time, impetus, or ability to do things the way my school did, not to mention the finances.
And the school's right...guys would show up wanting to be remembered by wearing a drape.
Suing for money is a lousy thing to do, though. It's a great way to trivialize your cause. I'd sue for a change of policy.
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Its kind of like the Gay teen who tried to bring his boyfriend to his prom. He won that so hopefully shell win hers [ 06-26-2002: Message edited by: Blue Angel ]
We are becoming a country who thinks we can do whatever we want. Damn the rules, Damn the law, I will do what I want and if someone doesn't like it I will sue.
There have been and always will be rules. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that they are descriminitory and you can sue.
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Azizza stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Actually I hope she loses.We are becoming a country who thinks we can do whatever we want. Damn the rules, Damn the law, I will do what I want and if someone doesn't like it I will sue.
There have been and always will be rules. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that they are descriminitory and you can sue.
Jaded much?
And here I thought this was a country of freedoms... /sarcasm off
She has the RIGHT to be a lesbian. She has the RIGHT to wear what she wants, if it was a private school, no she wouldn't.
However, I could see the schools reasonings. Her sueing is just her way of voicing her opinion. Might not be the best of ideas, but she has the RIGHT to do it.
Azz, what would you do if someone did something to you that you felt violated your freedom and right? Of course this is a loaded question. You can answer truethfully, or what you want us to believe.
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Among other things, the suit seeks a monetary award
"Hi, Im gay and feel it is my right to cause disturbences, and you can't do anything to me because it's discrimination!"
I can't stand todays modern attitudes that believe anyone who is in some sort of minority (that's a blanket statement...not limited to ethnicity) is above the rules.
People immediately scream "they are a minority, you can't say/do anything to them or it's discrimination!"
However like most things, it's only a few morons ruining it for the rest of us. [ 06-26-2002: Message edited by: Reynar ]
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Aanicat stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Jaded much?
She has the RIGHT to be a lesbian. She has the RIGHT to wear what she wants, if it was a private school, no she wouldn't.However, I could see the schools reasonings. Her sueing is just her way of voicing her opinion. Might not be the best of ideas, but she has the RIGHT to do it.
Yes, she has the right to be a lesbian.
No, she does NOT have the right to wear what she wants to public school. Try walking down the street naked and say it's your 'right'. You'll end up in the back of a police car very quickly.
Yes, we have the right to critisize her for her actions. I can call her a worthless waste of space because I hate it when people hide behind a 'minority' just so they can fill up their wallet.
This is just another case of someone being a jerk. If she really cared about making change, there would be no monetary reward, just a change of the school policy.
On the other side it's telling me, "Well that's stupid! What the hell is wrong with dresses? Sure I hate to wear them also but I'd wear one if I had to, it wouldn't hurt."
I'm confused. >_< Too many stupid people.....
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A sleep deprived Alleria Qui'farush stammered:
On the other side it's telling me, "Well that's stupid! What the hell is wrong with dresses? Sure I hate to wear them also but I'd wear one if I had to, it wouldn't hurt."
Lesbiens sometimes adopt the cultural stigma that it's thier duty to reject thier femininity in every way. [ 06-26-2002: Message edited by: Maradön² ]
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Pesco had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
The school was paying for the pictures. There is nothing she can do, as long as the school pays for the pictures and funds the yearbook, they have control of what goes in it. There isnt anything to argue about here. If she is paying for the pictures she can do what she wants, but since the school is paying for them, she does what they want else she doesnt get a picture. It's simple.
Bingo. I can only hope that they laugh her out of the courtroom when she pleads her case. 
In most cases schools do not pay for yearbook pictures, those costs are funded by the sale of yearbooks. What schools do fund is the classroom space and time for yearbook projects, because of that split on how yearbook projects are financed I'd say her case might have merit, but I'm no lawyer.
Personally I have mixed feelings on this, and I think the school screwed up in handling the situation. They should have just let her have her picture taken in the suit, it's doubtful that any male students would have seriously attempted creating disruptions with their outfit. I also feel that she made a mistake when she didn't file the lawsuit right after the event happened, when the situation could have been settled and corrected before it was too late.
I think in the end she will probably win, depending on how far federal laws protect homosexuals from discrimination. If she does win it will hurt the school which is something I just cannot agree with, especially on something that could have been avoided if both sides had just tried harder.
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Pesco had this to say about pies:
The school was paying for the pictures. There is nothing she can do, as long as the school pays for the pictures and funds the yearbook, they have control of what goes in it. There isnt anything to argue about here. If she is paying for the pictures she can do what she wants, but since the school is paying for them, she does what they want else she doesnt get a picture. It's simple.
Really? So the school could make everyone wear a "Choose Life" or "Abortion is Murder" T-shirt if they chose?
The question is whether it's okay to force outdated gender standards upon the students. Is it okay if the school requires home-ec for girls and woodshop for boys? If the guidance counselors steer students into "traditional" male and female roles?
I don't think so.
The picture standard shouldn't have been so specific. It should have specified black and white formal attire.
"Thou shalt conform to preconceived gender roles" is not what this country is about.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Nobody really understood why Skaw wrote:
Didn't the Supreme Court rule out the First Ammendment in the School-systems, cause too many people thought they could do whatever they want? Coulda swore I heard something about that...
Yes, they did limit it rather severely.
Are they litigating this as First Amendment? I thought it was a gender-discrimination thing.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Goodbye, Bloodsage enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Yes, they did limit it rather severely.Are they litigating this as First Amendment? I thought it was a gender-discrimination thing.
Could be thrown under Expression, from the way I read it, which in turn caused the discrimination.
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Goodbye, Bloodsage had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
"Thou shalt conform to preconceived gender roles" is not what this country is about.
While you have a good point, it's really hard (impossible) for me to sympathize with this person. Hiding behind the veil of "I'm a lesbian!" and suing the school for money does not help her case with me.
Should the school not have been so uptight? Yea probably, but it's obvious the girl is out to do nothing but pick on the school.
If she can't handle a simple dress code rule in a school, I hope she is ready to face the harsh reality of the real world. Following rules, regulations, and implied 'good' behavior are very much required to succeed. And something you'll run into most every day for the rest of your life.
Unless she plans to sue everyone who makes her life a little more inconvieniant.
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Goodbye, Bloodsage had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Yes, they did limit it rather severely.Are they litigating this as First Amendment? I thought it was a gender-discrimination thing.
They did limit it, but in the years since '69 if I remember correct the rights have been trickling back in.
That is if I remember correctly, I could be wrong.
I mean really people, life is hard get a fucking helmet. You don't get everything the way you want it, that's the way life is. However you do always get things fairly, well for the most part. She could have gone out and had an individule picture taken and put in the yearbook. But she didn't, why is really beyond me, and now she wants to sue the school because she doesn't have a picture in the year book.
I hate it when people do things like this. It's like the lady that sued McDonalds because she burned her mouth on hot coffee. Your own stupidity and stuborness caused this problem, not anyone/thing else.
And setting that school setting up such strict requirements for senior photographs is just stupid in my opnion, let the students wear what they want, I would think that if they or their parents were paying for the photograph the male students wouldn't wear a scoop neck drape as a joke.
I hope she wins, cause she should have the right to dress how best suits her, If she is not breaking any federal or state laws I don't see what the hell the school is so uptight about.
Maybe it did and I missed it though. :\
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Reynar had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
While you have a good point, it's really hard (impossible) for me to sympathize with this person. Hiding behind the veil of "I'm a lesbian!" and suing the school for money does not help her case with me.Should the school not have been so uptight? Yea probably, but it's obvious the girl is out to do nothing but pick on the school.
If she can't handle a simple dress code rule in a school, I hope she is ready to face the harsh reality of the real world. Following rules, regulations, and implied 'good' behavior are very much required to succeed. And something you'll run into most every day for the rest of your life.
Unless she plans to sue everyone who makes her life a little more inconvieniant.
I agree with Reynar. It would have been different if she had just voiced an opinion on her style, or that she prefered to be seen differently with a different style. However screaming "I'm a lesbian, and you are discriminating" makes her less legit, and more money hungry, and power abusive.
Homosexuality doesn't bother me, race doesn't bother me. Hiding behind it does. "I should get this because I'm black/hispanic/asian/whatever" or "I should get this because I'm gay/lesbian." is wrong. Just saying you should get this because you are an "Individual" is better. Hiding behind a minority buffer makes you lame.
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Aanicat was naked while typing this:
Jaded much?And here I thought this was a country of freedoms... /sarcasm off
She has the RIGHT to be a lesbian. She has the RIGHT to wear what she wants, if it was a private school, no she wouldn't.
However, I could see the schools reasonings. Her sueing is just her way of voicing her opinion. Might not be the best of ideas, but she has the RIGHT to do it.
Azz, what would you do if someone did something to you that you felt violated your freedom and right? Of course this is a loaded question. You can answer truethfully, or what you want us to believe.
I have the right to free political speech. I have the right to bear arms, I hae the right to not be illegally searched by the police. No where in the constitution however does it tell us that a School can't tell the students what they can and can not wear.
How about if I felt it was a violation of my rights to tell me I could not kill someone. Should I go kill a person and then due the police when they put me in jail?
You confuse rights and freedom with anarchy.
My work here is done.
And all of them need to wear kilts for the next year's photos.
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Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
And all of them need to wear kilts for the next year's photos.
They're seniors.
There are no next year's photos.
it is a public school and they do have rights on what they want to wear as long as its not distrupting the learning process, and i dont know about you, but a girl wearing a suit wont exatly be making me stop doing a test to stare, and if you do, you need to get a life.
exactly what harm is in letting her wear a suit? it isnt like shes wearing it as a gag, just the oppisite, she was being serious. What about to the right to have your beliefs to be accepted?
they let kids who are from other culture who are maybe excange students or have moved here from different countrys wear their culteral drab, so why cant we let our own cultaral express it? im not talking about being imatured either, have came out of high school not to long ago, i still remember that alot of the people there couldnt get their maturity level up to a 3rd grader.
I think that if she was wanting to wear the suit due to personal beliefs, and not wanting to do it as a gag, she should be aloud to.
How would you like it if your school told you that you (if your male) had to wear a dress for your senior pics? wouldnt you feel embarresed and ashamed cause you were forced to wear something taht you thought was wrong and you shouldnt wear? cause tahts what she would probably be felt, it isnt exactly a case of "oh im a minority, and i dont quite agree, so lets sue" shes sueing becuase she IS have her rights violated, The right to free expression, and you have to remember that the schools are part of the government, public schools at least, and are there for upheld to the lawsw, and defintly shouldnt be breaking them. again, i say, what harm in granting her to do this beacuse it is her personal beliefs?
But lots of people have already said this, anyway. 
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I have to agree that I think it's crap that she's pulling the whole "I'm a lesbian and you're discriminating" thing. I don't think that's the issue... I think the issue is her wearing the suit, not her being a lesbian wearing the suit. I don't see how her sexuality comes into play in this at all.But lots of people have already said this, anyway.
your right, it isnt her sexaulity that should be pushing this along, it should be her beliefs
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Daemon_Reaper stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
your right, it isnt her sexaulity that should be pushing this along, it should be her beliefs
Thats the point though, and the problem. She is pushing the point of being "Lesbian, you are discriminating." not pushing her right to expression or personal taste. If she had left it as being a personal decision, and not degraded it into a "I'm a Lesbian, blah blah blah" the feelings would be different.
She snared herself, and lost legitamacy in the process. I fought the same fight for allowing males to wear earrings in school, but you fight it for what it is. Personal choice, and expression of freedoms. Bringing in oppressive resentment statements, and claims of discrimination to make an otherwise valid point only lessens the issue, and serves to back up a lot of problems we have today with whining behind a protective veil.
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D© had this to say about Optimus Prime:
They're seniors.There are no next year's photos.
By "All of them", I meant all of the people getting pictures taken next year.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about Pirotess:
Thats the point though, and the problem. She is pushing the point of being "Lesbian, you are discriminating." not pushing her right to expression or personal taste. If she had left it as being a personal decision, and not degraded it into a "I'm a Lesbian, blah blah blah" the feelings would be different.She snared herself, and lost legitamacy in the process. I fought the same fight for allowing males to wear earrings in school, but you fight it for what it is. Personal choice, and expression of freedoms. Bringing in oppressive resentment statements, and claims of discrimination to make an otherwise valid point only lessens the issue, and serves to back up a lot of problems we have today with whining behind a protective veil.
and you are also correct, forgive me, i thought i had said that i agree with the earlier posters about, her claiming to be the minority is lessening her argument, in my eyes at least.
But I could be wrong.
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LeMiere Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Has anybody read anything beyond that article at all? There's a possibility her sexuality was tossed in by the report/editor and not necessarily sole involvement in the case. *Shrugs* Remember, it's news. It's there to get attention, not necessarily the point across. The suit itself doesn't seem to state that her sexual orientation is the cause of the suit, just discrimination. (Which could in turn mean discrimination against her beliefs.) The article could have just take her sexual orientation out as the title, to make it more eye-catching/interesting. In the article itself it only mentions that she is a lesbian, period. Not that that is the cause of the suit (her attire/choice of attire is the cause.) It doesn't mention sexual orientation, either. The article is just labeling her as a lesbian.But I could be wrong.
It also states the suit seeks a monetary award for "descrimination". There is nothing descriminating about a dress code, or required attire. It's infringment yes, but not descrimination. By declaring it descrimination she is pulling on her beliefs as a lesbian, and using that to back her arguement. It's a descrimination suit and for that to be the case something would have to be descriminated against.
The fact that she also seeks a monetary award more than a change of policy lends itself to character debate. Which is of course mostly implied by the viewer, but still discredits the argument.
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Everyone wondered WTF when LeMiere wrote:
Oh, and also keep in mind that statistacally, cross gender/dressing has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. kk thx. work now, buh-baiiiii. ^.^
Exactly. 
