and some stuid bitch says "but i want to wear a suit"
the editor says "if you want to be on this page, you need to wear what all the other girls are wearing"
and then the stupid bitch says "fuck you, i'm sueing"
i hope she gets laughed out of court.
dumb bitch.
No, Really. Bite me.
My choice not to wear a dress has nothing to do with "minority" but because I *HATE* hate hate hate dresses. I don't feel comfortable in them, not even for a short period of time.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Faelynn LeAndris wrote:
It also states the suit seeks a monetary award for "descrimination". There is nothing descriminating about a dress code, or required attire. It's infringment yes, but not descrimination. By declaring it descrimination she is pulling on her beliefs as a lesbian, and using that to back her arguement. It's a descrimination suit and for that to be the case something would have to be descriminated against.The fact that she also seeks a monetary award more than a change of policy lends itself to character debate. Which is of course mostly implied by the viewer, but still discredits the argument.
I think it's her belief that it's her preferred atire as opposed to her choice to be a lesbian. Now, it appears more to be a question of which gener identity she prefers as opposed to sexual orientation (from what I'm reaading.) If you just disregard what that she is a lesbian entirely, then how do you feel about the article? I think that changes it a bit. *shrugs*
Honestly, I wonder about the monetary factor in the suit. I'm torn between it being rediculous and should just be a suit for policy change, but if I was left out of the yearbook or not represented the way I am (associating with a specific gender identity (Bullough & Bullough '97) as opposed to sexual orientation, once again.) I'd want some sort of reimbursal. A senior yearbook is a very treasured item to a lot of people, and that article also stated she went through harassment due to the situation (I've been involved with a situation within my school, where the school actually made it worse when they found out my friend was gay.) And so, if she suffered a form of harassment she is entitled to some sort of monetary reimbursal. *shrugs* But again, the article is too vague and does not reveal incidents of the claim. I'm withholding judgement on whether or not I feel she should get anything out of this, but I think the policy should be changed within the school, some tabboos shouldn't be, in my opinion.
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Aanicat had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I'd bitch a fit to. No way in *HELL* will I wear a dress. Screw you, I'll wear a dressy shirt and you take a picture of me waist up. If he don't like it, then I don't have my pic in the year book, that simple.
My choice not to wear a dress has nothing to do with "minority" but because I *HATE* hate hate hate dresses. I don't feel comfortable in them, not even for a short period of time.
She didn't have to wear a dress.
what she had to wear was basically the top part of a dress with the collar and shoulders, and everything else cut off, over her normal clothes. They take the picture from just below the neck-up, and you go on with your life.
She just wants money.
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LeMiere had this to say about (_|_):
A senior yearbook is a very treasured item to a lot of people
Apparently it wasn't treasured enough to throw the drape on over her shirt, get the pic taken, and walk away.
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Densetsu's fortune cookie read:
Apparently it wasn't treasured enough to throw the drape on over her shirt, get the pic taken, and walk away.
Self image is an important part of that yearbookand how you want to remember yourself.
Mine never made it to the year book. Did my own
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LeMiere painfully thought these words up:
Self image is an important part of that yearbookand how you want to remember yourself.
Apparently it wasn't important enough to get her own picture taken and submitted instead.
(Signing off for a couple hours, class time. Baiiiiii.)
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LeMiere stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Self image is an important part of that yearbookand how you want to remember yourself.
I agree the article obviously didn't give 'all' of the information, but that's the norm when it comes to reporting.
However, if she had compromised at all the situation could probably have been resolved. I read it as her wanting the school to change the policy for 'her'.
Ignore the fact that she's a lesbian; you want to be able to take a customized picture and have the school pay for it. The school wont pay for your self glorification, so you sue them.
Basically she's a girl who refuses to conform. That in of itself is fine, no one "has" to conform to rules, but there are consequences for not doing so (left outta the yearbook).
She wanted special treatment, wanted the school to pickup the tab for it, and sued when she didn't get it. Whether or not she used the fact that shes a lesbian is a moot point really.
The entire concept of what she is doing is what makes me not sympathize. The "cater to me" attitude is annoying.
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ACES! Another post by Reynar:
I agree the article obviously didn't give 'all' of the information, but that's the norm when it comes to reporting.However, if she had compromised at all the situation could probably have been resolved. I read it as her wanting the school to change the policy for 'her'.
Ignore the fact that she's a lesbian; you want to be able to take a customized picture and have the school pay for it. The school wont pay for your self glorification, so you sue them.
Basically she's a girl who refuses to conform. That in of itself is fine, no one "has" to conform to rules, but there are consequences for not doing so (left outta the yearbook).
She wanted special treatment, wanted the school to pickup the tab for it, and sued when she didn't get it. Whether or not she used the fact that shes a lesbian is a moot point really.
The entire concept of what she is doing is what makes me not sympathize. The "cater to me" attitude is annoying.
Have my children. Please?
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Reynar stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I agree the article obviously didn't give 'all' of the information, but that's the norm when it comes to reporting.However, if she had compromised at all the situation could probably have been resolved. I read it as her wanting the school to change the policy for 'her'.
Ignore the fact that she's a lesbian; you want to be able to take a customized picture and have the school pay for it. The school wont pay for your self glorification, so you sue them.
Basically she's a girl who refuses to conform. That in of itself is fine, no one "has" to conform to rules, but there are consequences for not doing so (left outta the yearbook).
She wanted special treatment, wanted the school to pickup the tab for it, and sued when she didn't get it. Whether or not she used the fact that shes a lesbian is a moot point really.
The entire concept of what she is doing is what makes me not sympathize. The "cater to me" attitude is annoying.
If she was so dead set on doing it, it appears to me to be an act to make the school conform to a belief. It's a common way to protest.
Her being a trans-gender/cross-dresser is the focus. This is a set of beliefs that is seldom heard about and often misconceived, which is probably why "lesbian" makes the headlines as opposed to "crossdresser."
Would her pictures in a suit be SO awful for the school? Is a guy wearing a dress for his senior pictures so bad? *shrugs* I don't see why it's a big deal, it's a question of the school's moral code and view of what's appropriate. And if their view is damaging the psychological health (which would be the girl's choice to be cross-gender) then it should be catered to or fixed in SOME way to better the lives of those students also identifying with the opposite gender role as their sex.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent LeMiere said:
Would her pictures in a suit be SO awful for the school?
It's more a matter of orginization vs. personal wants.
A group photo would look akward. You have all the gals wearing dresses, all the guys in neatly pressed tuxes and tie- wait, does that guy have boobs? 
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Aanicat had this to say about Cuba:
Jaded much?And here I thought this was a country of freedoms... /sarcasm off
She has the RIGHT to be a lesbian. She has the RIGHT to wear what she wants, if it was a private school, no she wouldn't.
However, I could see the schools reasonings. Her sueing is just her way of voicing her opinion. Might not be the best of ideas, but she has the RIGHT to do it.
Azz, what would you do if someone did something to you that you felt violated your freedom and right? Of course this is a loaded question. You can answer truethfully, or what you want us to believe.
She dosn't have the right to have her picture in the school year book. It is the schools yearbook not hers. If she wants to be in their publication then she must follow their rules. Not a matter of constitutional rights. If the school sets down a dress code you need to follow it, this is no different.
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Aanicat had this to say about Optimus Prime:
My choice not to wear a dress has nothing to do with "minority" but because I *HATE* hate hate hate dresses. I don't feel comfortable in them, not even for a short period of time.
Some friendly life advice for you: Grow the fuck up.
-Tok
What happens if an employee violates this dress code? He is fired.
This should be a lesson to her about REAL LIFE.
In the REAL WORLD, you don't GET everything you want.
There should be no basis behind this case at all.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when LeMiere said:
If she was so dead set on doing it, it appears to me to be an act to make the school conform to a belief. It's a common way to protest.Her being a trans-gender/cross-dresser is the focus. This is a set of beliefs that is seldom heard about and often misconceived, which is probably why "lesbian" makes the headlines as opposed to "crossdresser."
Would her pictures in a suit be SO awful for the school? Is a guy wearing a dress for his senior pictures so bad? *shrugs* I don't see why it's a big deal, it's a question of the school's moral code and view of what's appropriate. And if their view is damaging the psychological health (which would be the girl's choice to be cross-gender) then it should be catered to or fixed in SOME way to better the lives of those students also identifying with the opposite gender role as their sex.
Ask yourself this then; where does it stop?
I'm not saying schools should be inflexable hardasses on every policy, but something trivial like this has to be upheld, or others will take a pot shot at the system "because they can" and have this situation to use as an example.
You know human nature, people will exploit the system if they can. And high school kids will mess around with the school if they can; even moreso if theres a precident where the kid can win.
As for schools catering to a childs choice of lifestyle, no thanks. It's a public school that runs on taxpayer money, I'd rather my tax dollars go twords educating most of the kids; not spent on getting special pictures for someone who has some crazy identity crisis.
Would it be SO awful? No it wouldn't. But would it also be SO awful if she simply said 'hey ok no problem, I'll follow the rules'?
I don't know...to me this is a very simple situation turned into a complicated one by someone who obviously did not get enough attention when she was younger.
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Reynar thought about the meaning of life:
No, she does NOT have the right to wear what she wants to public school. Try walking down the street naked and say it's your 'right'. You'll end up in the back of a police car very quickly.
Yes, every school has dress codes...but Publuc schools do not restrict girls to dresses and "girly" clothing. Why should she wear something she is not comfortable wearing?
I went to a catholic High School...so that meant I had to wear a uniform. We had very little freedom of choice in clothing. Dress shirt, or golf shirt, navy blue slacks, or navy blue shorts/kilts.
Saying that someone doesn't have the right to wear whatever he/she may want isn't right. It's like telling people to wear their hair a certain way because Pink hair is too offencive to others.
And we never were talking about being Naked...that's totally irrelevant.
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Red Mage was listening to Cher while typing:And we never were talking about being Naked...that's totally irrelevant.
Nope.
Wearing NOTHING is still a choice of what to wear. It is just as valid.
My school banned guys from wearing sleeveless shirts and tank tops of any kind (though girls could come to school wearing a bra and a see-through blouse and be okay).
I am not comfortable wearing shirts with sleeves, but did I make a law suit out of it? Hell no. [ 06-26-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]
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There was much rejoicing when Reynar said this:
Ask yourself this then; where does it stop?I'm not saying schools should be inflexable hardasses on every policy, but something trivial like this has to be upheld, or others will take a pot shot at the system "because they can" and have this situation to use as an example.
You know human nature, people will exploit the system if they can. And high school kids will mess around with the school if they can; even moreso if theres a precident where the kid can win.
As for schools catering to a childs choice of lifestyle, no thanks. It's a public school that runs on taxpayer money, I'd rather my tax dollars go twords educating most of the kids; not spent on getting special pictures for someone who has some crazy identity crisis.
Would it be SO awful? No it wouldn't. But would it also be SO awful if she simply said 'hey ok no problem, I'll follow the rules'?
I don't know...to me this is a very simple situation turned into a complicated one by someone who obviously did not get enough attention when she was younger.
I wasted all my argueing ability on D and I have a Psychology research paper to write. (And just so you know, that's where I'm deriving my arguement.)
Honestly, I don't think it should stop. I don't thing dresses should be sex-restricted. I don't think suits should be sex restricted. I could have made that one sentence, but I DIDN'T. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
It's a question of gender identity. A lot of people kept using her homosexuality in their arguements and I felt like saying something relating to what the case appears to be, as opposed to what is assumed by the writer of the article. Again, I withhold judgement on the case and honestly, I don't care. If it would make it easier on people's psyches to be able to cross-dress in broad daylight, I'm all for it.
