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Topic: An idea.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 06:44:06 PM
Every once in a while, a weapon should spawn on the ground in a random spot on each server. It would be one of the weapons that one of the dieties is holding in the pictures on EQ's main site. It would have awesome stats and be all/all. Once in possession, it would automatically convert the character to a follower of that diety, even if that character normally could not follow it, and take the prominent weapon skill of that class(so yes, monks would be able to use Mithaniel's sword). Optional would be to have a level limit of 50 on the weapon, so that you could say that once the diety has deemed you strong enough, you can wield an instrument of their power. The weapons would have a cool clickable effect as well.

They'd have names like "The Glowing Longsword of The Truthbringer," or, "The Glowing Longsword of Mithaniel Marr."

Since we can't have anything like this that would possibly negatively affect a player that they didn't want, destroying this item would reset your religion back to what it was before. Though, instead of the item actually being destroyed forever, it would respawn on the ground in a random place on the same server, so that you couldn't just get it back. If the character is deleted, then once the time period expires that a GM cannot restore the character, the item would respawn in the world. Once an account is cancelled, after 3 months when all the characters are deleted, the item would respawn in the world. This way, the item ALWAYS stays in reletive use.

I think it should be that once in a while, a diety will look for a mortal extension of themselves. They'd do this by casting a weapon of power down to Norrath, and taking the random recipient into their care for the purpose of carrying out their will. Once that being is near his end, he can pass the item on(by destroying it) to another random soul who would then become the diety's new extension.

Hell, maybe even grant a title like "Hand of <whatever>" to the bearer of the weapon once they can wield it.

To most of you, this probably seems pretty stupid and unbalancing and what not. I just don't think that the gods of Norrath have NEARLY as much influence in the game as they should.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 06:46:55 PM
Umm.. Ok.

Interesting, but then you'd have n00bs (No, the level 50 kinda n00bs) camping these all day.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
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posted 03-20-2002 06:47:21 PM
I think that sounds really cool.
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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 06:48:15 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis's account was hax0red to write:
Umm.. Ok.

Interesting, but then you'd have n00bs (No, the level 50 kinda n00bs) camping these all day.



You couldn't camp them. It'd be a complete "right place at the right time" kinda thing.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 03-20-2002 06:49:50 PM
quote:
How.... Densetsu.... uughhhhhh:
[QUOTE]Delphi Aegis's account was hax0red to write:
[qb]Umm.. Ok.

Interesting, but then you'd have n00bs (No, the level 50 kinda n00bs) camping these all day.



You couldn't camp them. It'd be a complete "right place at the right time" kinda thing.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Hence that word random.

Random = not in one fixed spot, Delphi. He means it wouldn't have a defined spot to spawn in each time.

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Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 06:51:15 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Densetsu said:
You couldn't camp them. It'd be a complete "right place at the right time" kinda thing.

Argh, wtf is with the quote button nowadays? Oi. Anyway.

It sounds kewl, I agree, I'd love to pick up a sword of Karana and have thunder come down and strike my foes.. If they ever get truely random random "spawn" type stuff (as in not set points, just a random /loc from a zone, etc), It'd be neat to see.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 06:51:53 PM
Really now, not enough influence?

Dances with Adrecia

Paybacks such a bitch!

Laughs at all the agnostics

Footnote: Faithful enchanterhood is a pain

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 03-20-2002 06:53:37 PM
quote:
How.... Skaw.... uughhhhhh:
Really now, not enough influence?

Dances with Adrecia

Paybacks such a bitch!

Laughs at all the agnostics



I had originally chosen a god to follow when I started EQ, but my original name wasn't allowed, and when it went back to the name screen, I was unaware it had changed to deity back to agnostic.

Is there some way for me to become a follower of Solusek Ro?

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Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 03-20-2002 06:55:33 PM
Nope. No religion changes. Or I'd be worshipping Veeshan.
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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 06:56:57 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis Model 2000 was programmed to say:
If they ever get truely random random "spawn" type stuff (as in not set points, just a random /loc from a zone, etc)

Yeah. The random loc SHOULD be smart enough to prevent it from spawning in a place that can't be travelled to, ya know, somewhere that you could actually GET to. And by once in a while, I mean like maybe once a month. And a different spot on each server.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 03-20-2002 06:57:08 PM
So they make a temple for Sol Ro to worship him in, but if a new person (esp. a wizard) enters and claims he/she wants to follow Sol Ro and is a devout believer, they just turn said person around and say "Get bent"?

How very strange...

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Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 03-20-2002 06:58:05 PM
Love the idea.
It would actually promote exploring.
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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 06:59:06 PM
quote:
Skaw got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Really now, not enough influence?




That proves my point, actually.

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 07:01:35 PM
the Cloak of Faith is a reward from being gimped on alot of things as an enchanter. Such as extra work needed to be put in for the epic.
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 03-20-2002 07:03:23 PM
I think you should be able to follow ANY religion. RPing an Eru SK that worships Cazic from the start then is converted to Mith marr, would be easy, walk to a Mith marr trainer and convert. Would require a quest or something.
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Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 07:04:39 PM
Even for Agnostics, these are still great shawls. I wish I had one.

Addy
posted 03-20-2002 07:05:33 PM
I think you're heading toward the right direction, Densetsu. Would be nice to see more deity items in th' world of Norrath. And, y'know, the gods actually playing a *gasp* role.

And Skaw:

Muahahahahahahaha...

Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 07:07:51 PM
Like I said with Planes of Power, if its the next expansion, including all the remaining planes, I'm hoping they're on Deity-alliance factions. And I'd hope Fear and Hate convert over to this system. This could lead to eventual Avatar quests, given by the gods.

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 07:07:53 PM
Cool, but way too many problems with it in my opinion. There are tons of other ways to give the gods more power in the game. For exanple being able to change what god you worship through a quest, but I do agree that gods should affect more that just faction and certain items.
Addy
posted 03-20-2002 07:09:51 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Skaw!
Even for Agnostics, these are still great shawls. I wish I had one.


Actually, that's not a very good shawl unless if you're lacking in INT. Low AC for one thing, lack of decent resists, no HP, no mana, etc. 25 cha? Wish charisma was actually useful. I have a hard enough time trying to get rid of some.

I prefer this:

I could upgrade to something better, but the fire resist is nice.

Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 07:11:37 PM
Yeah Adrecia, but with the Neriad Shawl, you'd be able to kick off several other items for resist gear/better hp+mana items.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 07:15:12 PM
quote:
Skaw had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
the Cloak of Faith is a reward from being gimped on alot of things as an enchanter. Such as extra work needed to be put in for the epic.

Yes, the only things that dieties do is cause problems as things are. Everything is RESTRICTED by religion, the cloak of faith probably being the only reward for it in the entire game. I think the Cloak of Faith was NEEDED, and I am glad it is in-game.

The purpose of my idea is to give the dieties a DIRECT influence on the players in a manner OTHER than killing them(when you visit their plane).

The items themselves would be restricted by diety just for show, since the item converts you. This would be the gods DIRECTLY converting some random individuals to do their bidding.

They could add in messages praising a person wielding one of these weapons when thewy slay a PC or NPC that follows an enemy of the god, if it has any, or praising you for helping followers of the same diety.

I realize that this would make many characters KOS to their own guilds. Well, if this is the case, and you have no other choice, you can destroy the weapon so that it goes to someone else.

Also, since a weapon could spawn and possibly NEVER be found, it should randomly respawn in a set cycle. like if it spawns in the moat in like City of Mist, and nobody gets it for like, oh, a week, it'll respawn somewhere else randomly.

Also, the planes should be restricted from having any weapon of the gods spawning in it. The point is for the gods to effect NORRATH, maybe Luclin, but not to invade another god's plane.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Addy
posted 03-20-2002 07:16:22 PM
quote:
Skaw had this to say about Tron:
Yeah Adrecia, but with the Neriad Shawl, you'd be able to kick off several other items for resist gear/better hp+mana items.

Perhaps, but it all boils down to what the enchanter is focusing on. I'm trying to focus on ac/hp. Not doing very well though.

I think this is far superior to the Neriad Shawl, though:

Sure, it's five less int, but you gain some mana, stamina, and ac with it. *shrug*

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 07:19:16 PM
Skaw, Adrecia, I'd appreciate this thread not being hi-jacked into a discussion of which cloak you'd like best.

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
OtakuPenguin
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posted 03-20-2002 07:19:44 PM
Gods need to have a much bigger effect on the game. Mith Marr needs to smite paladins that kill innocents or something that cons allie. Innoruk needs to poison or curse those worshippers of him who fraternize with enemies. Ya know, make it an RPG...what a concept.
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Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 07:22:10 PM
STA + Caster = almost useless, you'd be better off with something that gives straight AC. I get like, a whole 30 hp off of my Amulet of Grey Wastes, and that has +10 sta

Erm, I mean HP.
Iz busi!

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Addy
posted 03-20-2002 07:22:35 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Densetsu said this:
Skaw, Adrecia, I'd appreciate this thread not being hi-jacked into a discussion of which cloak you'd like best.

Hehe, sorry. But I think, with some tweaking, your idea would actually work. Would be hard to convince the Verant staff of that though. Or actually... dun dun dun... who knows?

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 07:25:51 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Adrecia:
Hehe, sorry. But I think, with some tweaking, your idea would actually work. Would be hard to convince the Verant staff of that though. Or actually... dun dun dun... who knows?

A couple of Verant people lurk here(or did, maybe they've stopped...), but I doubt my posting this here will even get it noticed by Verant.

If only there was a way to get them to actually see it...

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 07:34:35 PM
Its a good idea, there just needs to be some control, like if a person doesnt wield the weapon for an certain amount of time, it poofs and returns to the spawn cycle. Why not instead of just having weapons have armor too, that way a caster might get some use out of it too, because face it even if the weapon is uber, casters arent gonna be meleeing much.

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Vanaric Buryniksar ]

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 03-20-2002 07:38:37 PM
Adrecia doesnt need STA or CHA. She is already sexy enough for me and she has enough Stamina for me too!

Sexx0rz Addy endlessly

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 07:42:51 PM
quote:
Vanaric Buryniksar had this to say about dark elf butts:
Why not instead of just having weapons have armor too, that way a caster might get some use out of it too, because face it even if the weapon is uber, casters arent gonna be meleeing much. Its a good idea, there just needs to be some control, like if a person doesnt wield the weapon for an certain amount of time, it poofs and returns to the spawn cycle.
The weapons would have stats enough that even a caster would want them. If I designed them, they'd be massively uber, since there would be so few of them. I'd also thought of having them re-distributed for non-use. I think though that it would need to be a decent amount of time, like measured in months. sometimes things just happen.

quote:
Skaw had this to say about Pirotess:
This could lead to eventual Avatar quests, given by the gods.

If these were a result of quests like that, though, then uber guilds would farm the quests and trivialize many encounters, leading to large nerfs. This also defeats the whole purpose. These items should choose YOU, not the other way around. The choice YOU make is to click on a weird looking weapon on the ground or not, then to keep it or not. The weapon takes a normal adventurer and converts them into a being of hightened power, so to speak. It wouldn't make you invincible or anything like that, but WOULD give you a decent advantage. Restricting this to just the uber players of the game would make it just like everything ELSE. I'd want it to be truely unique, not "just another quest for uber guilds to do for all their members" like epics are. These would be TRUELY epic.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 03-20-2002 07:48:37 PM
That would be very kickass. Maybe make it look like a normal short sword until you picked it up, then it turns into a sweetass particle weapon.
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Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 07:55:41 PM
Well they could make it so that the effects on the weapons would be a DD/Dot/buff/whatever for a melee but if a caster picked it up, it could act as a focus item for their spells or a buff, that way both melees and casters get equl benefits with the weapon.

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Vanaric Buryniksar ]

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 08:07:37 PM
quote:
Vanaric Buryniksar obviously shouldn't have said:
Well they could make it so that the effects on the weapons would be a DD/Dot/buff/whatever for a melee but if a caster picked it up, it could act as a focus item for their spells or a buff, that way both melees and casters get equl benefits with the weapon.

Yeah, the effect COULD be different depending on the class archetype that picks it up..

Wouldn't it be awesome to wield The Fiery Spear of Solusek Ro, or The Massive Broadsword of Rallos Zek? The weapon skill used would be something that your class could use, so you aren't stuck with 0 skill in using it. Maybe it would even include a unique animation for swinging it.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 03-20-2002 08:11:06 PM
I would die if I could use the dual ended flaming stave of Sol Ro. OMG...that would rock
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Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 08:16:37 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Densetsu stammered:
The weapon skill used would be something that your class could use, so you aren't stuck with 0 skill in using it

*Imagines a caster using a sword as a 1 blunt
weapon* o_O

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 03-20-2002 08:19:36 PM
The onlyproblem I see is that it could end on mules, newbie characters that aren't played much, twinks or that it will be Ebayed.

Okay ...Ebay shouldn't be a problem given the unique nature of the weapon.


*Edit: How about one epic weapon for EACH of the several EQ deities, instead of just one per server?*

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Tarquinn ]

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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 08:27:37 PM
quote:
Vanaric Buryniksar wrote this stupid crap:
*Imagines a caster using a sword as a 1 blunt
weapon* o_O


The diety would empower you with the ability to use his/her weapon fluently. the actual "Skill:" field of the item stats would just be a skill your class already has, which is why I also suggest a unique or pre-set animation for using it, so you aren't seen like piercing with a broadsword.

quote:
Tarquinn was listening to Cher while typing:
The onlyproblem I see is that it could end on mules, newbie characters that aren't played much, twinks or that it will be Ebayed.

Which is why if your character goes through a long period of inactivity, the diety will deem you as having become unworthy and the weapon will respawn in the world.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Skaw
posted 03-20-2002 08:32:57 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Densetsu:
If these were a result of quests like that, though, then uber guilds would farm the quests and trivialize many encounters, leading to large nerfs. This also defeats the whole purpose. These items should choose YOU, not the other way around. The choice YOU make is to click on a weird looking weapon on the ground or not, then to keep it or not. The weapon takes a normal adventurer and converts them into a being of hightened power, so to speak. It wouldn't make you invincible or anything like that, but WOULD give you a decent advantage. Restricting this to just the uber players of the game would make it just like everything ELSE. I'd want it to be truely unique, not "just another quest for uber guilds to do for all their members" like epics are. These would be TRUELY epic.

But, the quest could involve going into the other gods plane, and retrieving items from the creatures there, or defiling some temple of that god, which would plummet the faction standings of the deity your assaulting, and its allies. And making the factions Irrepairable would keep from farming, this way people of that deity, and its allies, would only want to help others do this quest. It would also result in alot of Evil/Good/Neutral based guilds, designed to complete these quests..

Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 08:49:21 PM
Unfortunatly, the likelyhood of Verant ever making weapons like these just spawn on the ground in ordinary areas is next to nothing. If they did something like this it would be made so only the uberest of the uber could ever get to them.

[ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: Vanaric Buryniksar ]

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