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Topic: An idea.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 08:50:32 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Skaw:
But, the quest could involve going into the other gods plane, and retrieving items from the creatures there, or defiling some temple of that god, which would plummet the faction standings of the deity your assaulting, and its allies. And making the factions Irrepairable would keep from farming, this way people of that deity, and its allies, would only want to help others do this quest. It would also result in alot of Evil/Good/Neutral based guilds, designed to complete these quests..

That still defeats the purpose I'm trying to get at. Theoretically, everyone with the back-up could do those quests, and you WILL get LOTS of high levels running around as avatars. That is exactly like EVERYTHING else in EQ. Your plan fits within EQ's mold perfectly. I don't want mine to.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 03-20-2002 08:56:53 PM
Perhaps this GOD-quest could only be done by his chosen avatar?

The reward would be rather small,perhaps exp, perhaps a small item to compliment the epic weapon ... but it would change the sever!

The god would get more power, thus changing a zone or two, or MOBs.
Another one would lose power ...

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 03-20-2002 09:08:39 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Densetsu was all like:
If only there was a way to get them to actually see it...

/feedback

and/or

eqfeedback@soe.sony.com

and/or

/petition if you're bored

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 09:40:42 PM
quote:
Tier had this to say about Robocop:
/feedback

and/or

eqfeedback@soe.sony.com

and/or

/petition if you're bored



I compiled my answers from this thread and sent it to that email address. I may do a /feedback containing it all later as well.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 10:20:45 PM
Well, I guess if they did put this in, it would probably have a reccomended level on it, so that some lowbie wouldnt pick it up and be able to kill things several levels higher than him.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-20-2002 10:28:26 PM
quote:
Vanaric Buryniksar enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Well, I guess if they did put this in, it would probably have a reccomended level on it, so that some lowbie wouldnt pick it up and be able to kill things several levels higher than him.
Yeah, but why shouldn't the Hand of a god be able to kill things a few levels higher if they are that low?
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 10:33:17 PM
Well if they were as powerful as you say would be, it might not just be a few levels were talking about here...
Kael
Whistlepig
posted 03-20-2002 11:03:22 PM
Sounds like a good idea all in all. Perhaps if by chance a n00b picks the item up, it should become more powerful as the level. Like adding a stat here, or shaving off some delay even.
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 03-20-2002 11:12:20 PM
*has a vision of his Iksar Monk, wielding the Staff of Terror in one hand, and the Staff of Tranquility in the other, with a bigass grin on his lizzy face*

Seriously though, I like the idea.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-20-2002 11:13:55 PM
Aye, it should be able to kill monsters a few levels above the player at lower levels, but not powerful enough to kill monsters lets say 10 levels above the player, so the weapon gaining power as you level instead of starting out at full power would probably be a good idea.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 12:08:01 AM
quote:
This one time, at Vanaric Buryniksar camp:
Aye, it should be able to kill monsters a few levels above the player at lower levels, but not powerful enough to kill monsters lets say 10 levels above the player, so the weapon gaining power as you level instead of starting out at full power would probably be a good idea.
I don't think they can make items that change as you level. =\

[ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Vanaric
Pancake
posted 03-21-2002 12:44:36 AM
Yeah they can, all they do is give it a reccomended level and if you dont meet that level, the stats wont be as good as they are at that level. Im not sure if they slowly approach their normal status as you level though...

Or, they could have a series of quests at the guildhalls that upgrade the weapon as you level.

[ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: Vanaric Buryniksar ]

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 01:09:50 AM
quote:
Vanaric Buryniksar wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Yeah they can, all they do is give it a reccomended level and if you dont meet that level, the stats wont be as good as they are at that level. Im not sure if they slowly approach their normal status as you level though...

Or, they could have a series of quests at the guildhalls that upgrade the weapon as you level.



Recommended Level keeps you from even equipping the item.

Having it upgraded by anyone but the god itself kinda defeats the purpose of a "weapon of the gods"

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 03-21-2002 01:22:11 AM
quote:
Vanaric Buryniksar had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Aye, it should be able to kill monsters a few levels above the player at lower levels, but not powerful enough to kill monsters lets say 10 levels above the player, so the weapon gaining power as you level instead of starting out at full power would probably be a good idea.

Given that your weapon skills, spells, damage caps, hit points, and special skills (Double Attack, Dodge, ect) are based off of your level, even the uberest weapon won't let a newbie take on something too much higher than them.

They'll be able to chew through stuff near their level really quick, but for the deep reds they would still need help.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 01:25:48 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Knight Rider:
Given that your weapon skills, spells, damage caps, hit points, and special skills (Double Attack, Dodge, ect) are based off of your level, even the uberest weapon won't let a newbie take on something too much higher than them.

They'll be able to chew through stuff near their level really quick, but for the deep reds they would still need help.



Yeah, and it'd only be like a few people on the ENTIRE server, so it wouldn't unbalance anything as a whole.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Kael
Whistlepig
posted 03-21-2002 01:57:13 AM
Ill go play with the UIG and kinda make and example...
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 01:59:59 AM
quote:
Tordeck had this to say about Duck Tales:
Ill go play with the UIG and kinda make and example...

the what?

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Kael
Whistlepig
posted 03-21-2002 02:23:50 AM
Uber Item Generator, n00b

Anyways...say Im running around in Gfay and pick up this

Nothing to powerful but its still a nice sword.

Now, to get a "upgrade" I would need to travel to the Plane of Growth and recvive a quest from Tunare herself.

Something like, get a item from Hate and Fear, give her those and the sword voila! I get this


Of course there will be other items to get for different classes/races and dieties. But this serves as a good example.

[Note: I messed up on the second sword, forgot the diety, and the races were cut off]

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 02:40:40 AM
quote:
Tordeck Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Uber Item Generator, n00b

I don't use the item generator enough to associate an acronym for it.

You also miss the point, really.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 03:06:39 AM
I was hoping to avoid this, but I was thinking more alonger the lines of:

Keep in mind, if you found this, you'd probably be the ONLY person on your server with it, unless you stopped playing your character, or didn't want it.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-21-2002 03:41:37 AM
I happen to be questing for legendary items that my God, 'Cazic-Thule' has told me to get. And probably Batty too.

PS: There is a weapon ingame called, 'The Arm of Quellious' or something.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Mod
Pancake
posted 03-21-2002 06:38:01 AM
I don't like the idea of just picking up something from the ground beeing more rewarding than leveling your character for hours on end. Maybe if you make those spawn in NToV type places, it would be acceptable. If you really want to make those one per server items, just have a GM guide each person (and their friends/guild helping him) through a challenging quest.

I love the idea of items converting you, maybe even making items given out by other dieties unusable to you.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
very important poster
a sweet title
posted 03-21-2002 07:00:58 AM
It makes no sense that the weapon would convert you (not to mention it's impossible to do currently). It should be limited to the religion of the weapons god.

I also do not like the whole random spawning on the ground thing. It should be a GM event.

I ALSO think it should be No Drop, to prevent twinking, and have a Recommended Level of 50 or 55.

[ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: Giantt ]

hey
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 07:47:21 AM
quote:
Modrakien stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I don't like the idea of just picking up something from the ground beeing more rewarding than leveling your character for hours on end. Maybe if you make those spawn in NToV type places, it would be acceptable. If you really want to make those one per server items, just have a GM guide each person (and their friends/guild helping him) through a challenging quest.

I love the idea of items converting you, maybe even making items given out by other dieties unusable to you.



It won't trivialize levelling at all, no single item can. Below level 10, my example would be a 10/40 weapon, and after that, until 20, it would be a 15/40 weapon. 50/40 isn't even the best weapon in the same (re: the weapon with damage over 70 and delay under 30, like 72/28 I think). Making it come from a GM event is just like EVERYTHING ELSE, and then it could possibly go to someone who wouldn't ever play that character again, and the weapon might never be seen again.

Also, if the weapon spawned in areas designed for only level 60+ type encounters, then it won't get as much use as it should for the work that it would take to implement. If you are already the most powerful you can be, why do you really need the strength of a diety? This isn't to say that an item WON'T spawn in those places, there's always a chance.

quote:
Giantt had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
It makes no sense that the weapon would convert you (not to mention it's impossible to do currently). It should be limited to the religion of the weapons god.

I also do not like the whole random spawning on the ground thing. It should be a GM event.

I ALSO think it should be No Drop, to prevent twinking, and have a Recommended Level of 50 or 55.


The weapon converts you as is the nature of the REASON it exists in the hands of someone OTHER than the god it came from. If it were limited, then it could go through any number of people before it ended up with someone who could actually USE it.

If it was a GM event, that wouldn't really fit with the idea of a god 'casting his weapon down to Norrath to seek out an instrument of his will.' That would be a GM holding an event like so many before it, the GM choosing the recipient, then everyone complaining because an uber guild came and killed the GM, and some newbie got an awesome weapon and probably won't make it past level 20. Cookie cutter, anyone?

Of course it would be nodrop. May or may not have a recommended level. Even a newbie with primals can get wasted by deep reds. It's not going to make you invincible by any means. If you destroy it, or choose not to use it, then it goes to someone else, creating a passing down of the weapon from wielder to wielder in the search for the true Hand of whatever diety. This way the weapon always stays in the game.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-21-2002 08:08:15 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Densetsu wrote:
no single item can.
Fungi.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 03-21-2002 08:42:33 AM
I agree with the random placement of the weapon, but I still think that after finding the item (maybe a week or so) a messenger of the gawd should appear to test if the avatar is really worthy of this gift.

GM quest, questions, etc.


I'd really hate to see l337 d00ds running around with a weapon that should promote roleplaying.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 09:24:11 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Black Mage wrote:
Fungi.

Meant to say weapon.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-21-2002 09:27:26 AM
quote:
Densetsu attempted to be funny by writing:
weapon.
Freaking ubb.

[ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: Black Mage ]



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 09:32:14 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Black Mage said this:
Freaking ubb.

No single weapon can. Fighting a deep red, your skills would not be up to par enough to land many hits, and it would land plenty on you.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-21-2002 09:34:44 AM
Only idiots fight Deep Reds alone.

But you know that this weapon would make leveling almost too easy. This weapon, or Gharns. Or Pallidus' Axe of Slaughter. Golden Ulak. Blade of Angels.

Imagine having one of those weapons (For their respective classes) at level 10.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 03-21-2002 09:37:19 AM
quote:
Black Mage attempted to be funny by writing:
Only idiots fight Deep Reds alone.

But you know that this weapon would make leveling almost too easy. This weapon, or Gharns. Or Pallidus' Axe of Slaughter. Golden Ulak. Blade of Angels.

Imagine having one of those weapons (For their respective classes) at level 10.



the majority of players aren't level 10 anymore, so yes, maybe one or two people on a server that low might have it. How many do you see with fungi tunics? I see so many that I wonder how I can NOT have one.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-21-2002 09:38:03 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Densetsu was all like:
the majority of players aren't level 10 anymore, so yes, maybe one or two people on a server that low might have it. How many do you see with fungi tunics? I see so many that I wonder how I can NOT have one.
Godamned twinks.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Skaw
posted 03-21-2002 11:45:37 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Densetsu was all like:
I don't think they can make items that change as you level. =\

They can do it with spells, I'm sure they could make up some code that does it with weapons.

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