Now comes the problem.
At the advice of TWO level 55+ monks I put all my points into AGI.
I almost never get hit. Hell Even reds miss me about 45-55% of the time.
However my STR is understandably lower than I feel it should be...
Should I reroll the character with Higher STR.
All my points? Half and half? Keep him as is? Come on guys.. HELP.
Any stat combination can do really, but your stamina will be somewhat lacking in the high end.
None of them have a dramatic enough effect to invalidate a character (or validate one, for that matter).
Even things like innate regen really boil down to only a minor advantage.
although regen is nice...My main worry over STR is the ATK that I am going to lose by having it lower.
Or like 6HP at 51 when standing?
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De lid g am ond had this to say about pies:
I don't know...don't Iksars get a 12HP regen when standing at 60?Or like 6HP at 51 when standing?
It's exactly the same as trolls.
Yet I don't hear ogre/human/barb warriors or shamen complaining about that too often. Why? because it's really not that big a difference.
In fact I believe a human warrior won the BoTB.
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Maradön? had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
It's exactly the same as trolls.Yet I don't hear ogre/human/barb warriors or shamen complaining about that too often. Why? because it's really not that big a difference.
In fact I believe a human warrior won the BoTB.
I've always wondered about that... why it always seemed to be a more sensitive issue about monks than the other classes... my guess is that the other classes already had trolls with the regen, so were used to trolls having that advantage, while monks were their own little exclusive club, with only one race as a member. If monks always had the competition within their class, I think there wouldn't have as much of an uproar when the exlusive monk club started admitting iksar members...
Don't want to stir up this hornet's nest again, but it seems like the advantages iksars have mean more in the low end game, giving a bit of a boost in the lower levels, but by the high end, they're really not that different.
And as evidence of that, last monk BOTB was won by a human...
That's all I'm going to say on this... lest the human monks bite my head off...
As to the main topic, I'd be more worried about strength and stamina, agility takes care of itself, especially if you get a suit of wu's, and you already start out with good agility anyway. Split your 20 points among str and sta. If I had it to do over again, I would have put 5 into str and 15 into sta... face the facts, you're going to be a puller, and you'll need every last hp you can get.
quote:Unfortunately, I'm the only Human Monk on this board over level 50, except for maybe Reynar, dunno what level or race he is.
Troodon had this to say about dark elf butts:
I've always wondered about that... why it always seemed to be a more sensitive issue about monks than the other classes... my guess is that the other classes already had trolls with the regen, so were used to trolls having that advantage, while monks were their own little exclusive club, with only one race as a member. If monks always had the competition within their class, I think there wouldn't have as much of an uproar when the exlusive monk club started admitting iksar members...That's all I'm going to say on this... lest the human monks bite my head off...
As for the regen thing, it isn't JUST the regen. It's the fact that a new race was brought in, allowed to be a class that was exclusive to Humans, and then given at least 6 advantages over humans that I can come up with off the top of my head, and only 2 disadvantages that don't even balance it out.
With warriors, if you want slam and regen, choose a troll. If you want slam, best stats, and unstunnable from the front, choose an ogre. There was SO much variety that people would choose all kinds of races for that class. Now, it's VERY FUCKING RARE to see someone roll up a HUMAN monk alt. [ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]
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Densetsu had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Unfortunately, I'm the only Human Monk on this board over level 50, except for maybe Reynar, dunno what level or race he is.As for the regen thing, it isn't JUST the regen. It's the fact that a new race was brought in, allowed to be a class that was exclusive to Humans, and then given at least 6 advantages over humans that I can come up with off the top of my head, and only 2 disadvantages that don't even balance it out.
With warriors, if you want slam and regen, choose a troll. If you want slam, best stats, and unstunnable from the front, choose an ogre. There was SO much variety that people would choose all kinds of races for that class. Now, it's VERY FUCKING RARE to see someone roll up a HUMAN monk alt.
Sadly, he is right.
(EDIT: ubb owns me) [ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]
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We were all impressed when Batutisz wrote:
Iksars look great in robes now. Pants.
...
Did I just hear you say that?
Is promptly knocked off the chair by a flying pig crashing through the window.
New Iksar graphic with robes = the roxxor.
fire the animator and get one who knows how to animate. Hell, HZ has a better one than the guy who did SoL! (ouch) 
dont hear me bitch about my race!
woulda made a half elf... but after seeing what they did to half elf chain in velious... well... i wanted to be a clown id be a BARD
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Batutisz had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Actually, Paladins are the clown looking class. Haha.
tell that to a human bard in SS/Labet and a Ruby BP
;P forgot thier name but was on Quellious heh... they looked so fruity i laughed outloud :P
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Lawgiver Cadga impressed everyone with:
tell that to a human bard in SS/Labet and a Ruby BP;P forgot thier name but was on Quellious heh... they looked so fruity i laughed outloud :P
Haha, that's gotta be funny to see. Although Paladins are still clowns. You're all clowns!
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Batutisz impressed everyone with:
Haha, that's gotta be funny to see. Although Paladins are still clowns. You're all clowns!
Yse.
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Densetsu had this to say about pies:
Unfortunately, I'm the only Human Monk on this board over level 50, except for maybe Reynar, dunno what level or race he is.As for the regen thing, it isn't JUST the regen. It's the fact that a new race was brought in, allowed to be a class that was exclusive to Humans, and then given at least 6 advantages over humans that I can come up with off the top of my head, and only 2 disadvantages that don't even balance it out.
With warriors, if you want slam and regen, choose a troll. If you want slam, best stats, and unstunnable from the front, choose an ogre. There was SO much variety that people would choose all kinds of races for that class. Now, it's VERY FUCKING RARE to see someone roll up a HUMAN monk alt.
Imagine if you will, that from day one of EQ, monks didn't even exist. When Ruins of Kunark came out, they added the iksar race, and the monk class, allowing humans to be that class too (much like they did with Luclin, added the vah shir race, the beastlord class, and allowed existing races to be that class). What do you think human monks would be saying now?
Imagine the implications, and how the history of EQ would have been different since RoK...
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Batutisz wrote this stupid crap:
NEW IKSAR SWIMMING ANIMATION MAKES BABY JESUS CRY.
I wish they would re-implement the old iksar swimming animation.. that's how iksars should swim, moving htere arms only slightly, and using their tail to propel themselves... this new method of swimming looks realistic for the non-iksar, but iksar swimming should have been left the way it was!
Actually, there's something not quite right about the way softskins swim now either...
This is the only aniamtion I have a problem with, most of the rest are pretty good. Watch an iksar smile and not laugh, I dare you...
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Troodon had this to say about Robocop:
Imagine if you will, that from day one of EQ, monks didn't even exist. When Ruins of Kunark came out, they added the iksar race, and the monk class, allowing humans to be that class too (much like they did with Luclin, added the vah shir race, the beastlord class, and allowed existing races to be that class). What do you think human monks would be saying now?Imagine the implications, and how the history of EQ would have been different since RoK...
(meant to add this in an edit, but the post was more than 10 minutes old by the time I finished typing it.)
The irony here is that the thing human monks complain that they lost was what was causing the problem in the first place... exclusiveness... or in better terms, the lack of variety... Shamans, necromancers, warriors, and shadowknights didn't complain about the addition of iksars because there was already variety in those classes, so people would choose different races depending on stats, racial advantages, or simply personal preferences as to the kind of character they wanted. But monks, having always been a human only class, were faced with a one to one contrast... suddenly everyone wanted the iksar monk, because of the novelty, or the additional advantages, etc. Humans being an average race would fare well in any class with a variety of races, but not against a single race...
If monks were never exclusive, there wouldn't be a problem, I don't think. You'd still see human monks around...
Which you still do, by the way. New iksar monks are more common than new human monks, but new human monks aren't especially rare... doing a /who in EC still turns up at least 4 or 5 every time I pass through that zone. Even if the iksar monks do have more advantages than the humans, not everybody wants to automatically go for the easy way... you still see gnome warriors, troll shadowknights, erudite palladins... they might not be the most advantageous race for their class, but they want a bit of a challenge, and will become just as skilled if not more so than the other races because they had to work harder at it.
I hope I said this better than the last time I participated in a similar discussion to this...
The thing human monks felt they lost when iksars came around is just something I don't understand... not saying they're wrong for feeling it, or they don't have the right to, but I don't think I would have felt the same way. If I had an established human monk when RoK came out, I would have saw the addition as a challenge, to prove I could do as well or better as an iksar monk, regardless of racial advantages.
But RoK was already out when I first started playing... I decided I wanted to be an iksar, before I decided I want to play a monk... I didn't find out about how human monks felt about this until almost a year after it happened, I guess I'll never fully know.
Nothing left to say.
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Owindea impressed everyone with:
There were monks pre Kunark.
Read the post again:
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Imagine if you will, that from day one of EQ, monks didn't even exist.
Following that statement was a hypothetical situation, not meant to be taken literally:
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When Ruins of Kunark came out, they added the iksar race, and the monk class, allowing humans to be that class too (much like they did with Luclin, added the vah shir race, the beastlord class, and allowed existing races to be that class).
So no duh, I am prefectly aware of the fact that monks existed pre-Kunark... in fact that was the whole point of the post, discussing how monks felt when iksars were added and allowed to be monks. Since iksar came in with Kunark, and were additional monks, it follows that there had to be monks before Kunark, obviously!
Please pay attention to the full post before you reply, to make sure you don't makes assumptions based on a statement taken out of context, thank you... [ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Troodon ]
Gave him up and handed the account to Syn.
had him "reborn" in the RP sense as an Iksar.
Enjoyed it to lv 14, then thought ya know.. unless I do mad faction I won't be able to train anywhere except Cabilis, and thats a pain in the ass to get back to if I leave Kunark.
Guess who escaped his "reborn" curse and is human again in Freeport.
yep, got me an untwinked, lv 9 human monk baby
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Maradön? had this to say about Pirotess:
The only thing the iksar regen is going to do for you is a little less downtime at best (unless you're a Necro, but I'm not even going to go there).
You've never been on CR as a human monk with an iksar monk. When both of you are low on health and are FDd waiting for mend, the iksar will have regened a WHOLE lot more HP in that 6 minutes than the human would, piled on top of the iksar's AC bonus, would give the iksar more time to pull corpses before the need to FD again.
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Originally posted by Troodon:
Imagine if you will, that from day one of EQ, monks didn't even exist. When Ruins of Kunark came out, they added the iksar race, and the monk class, allowing humans to be that class too (much like they did with Luclin, added the vah shir race, the beastlord class, and allowed existing races to be that class). What do you think human monks would be saying now?
They'd say, BEFORE they made their character, 'Why should I make a HUMAN Monk? I can level to 35 without leaving kunark, and after that I'll never NEED to visit a trainer again, hell, I can level to 60 without ever leaving Kunark. Plus there is always Brother Qwinn or Zephyl in the old world. With sneak, I'd never worry about merchant factions, and the main boat cities have sewers I can use to get to the docks. My downtime will be less due to the regen, I won't need to worry about being out of food with Forage, not being able to wear plate doesn't make that big of a difference as a monk. All I have to do to get around the damage output handicap is wield a set of weapons, and there are plenty of them better than my fists. Why was I considering a human?' [ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]
Think of it this way, more of an achievement leveling the crap-monk.
