1) Why do the people that have never shot a gun before think they could pick one up and unload a clip into a target without missing?
2) Why do some people not have any security for their home. Like a weapon of any kind, or security system.
Its just not logical.
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First Dragon wrote this stupid crap:
2) Why do some people not have any security for their home. Like a weapon of any kind, or security system.
Because those types of people usually believe the police will protect them.
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First Dragon had this to say about dark elf butts:
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2) Why do some people not have any security for their home. Like a weapon of any kind, or security system.Its just not logical.
Duno about you but I live in a state that will arrest you if you shot someone in your house, plus allow any tresspassers to sue you, even though they were tresspasing.
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First Dragon wrote this stupid crap:
Just a couple things that bother me that I would like answered.1) Why do the people that have never shot a gun before think they could pick one up and unload a clip into a target without missing?
Its just not logical.
First time I got to fire a gun was in Puerto Plata on my vacation a month ago, I only missed the target once, on my first shot.
Got the picture around here somewhere of me posing with the target 
I have to say, it was as much fun as I thought it would be
Dead intruders cannot sue.
The Police can do NOTHING until they have proof that a law has been broken, they can't even enter your home without probable cause. So pretty much their hands are tied until you are already raped or beaten then killed.
Firearm owners with PROPER TRAINING prevent more harm to themselves and others simply by taking a stand and brandishing a weapon, more often than actually having to fire one.
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Pyscho_Pike had this to say about (_|_):
Duno about you but I live in a state that will arrest you if you shot someone in your house, plus allow any tresspassers to sue you, even though they were tresspasing.
shoot to kill and after they die, make them clean up the mess
In otherwords, someone mentions guns and everyone tunes in only on what they agree with. Nobody can change that either way.
My bow!
Never actually seen this happen. Unless someone is a natural then chances are that they are gonna miss bad.
(Ah, and it is a magazine not a "clip". the last clip loading weapon I can remember being produces was the M1 Garand)
2) Why do some people not have any security for their home. Like a weapon of any kind, or security system.
Because we are taught a few backwards things now adays.
A: Guns are bad.
This is obviously not true. Guns are neither good nore bad. They are a tool. No different than a hammer or Powerdrill. Different Job yes But still just a tool.
B: The police will protect us.
This is also not true. The Supreme court of the united states has stated that the police are not obligated to protect anyone. Yoiu could be attacked on the street right next to an officer and he can just stand there and watch. You have no legal recourse in the matter.
C: A security system in your house makes you safer.
This is arguable. However most security systems are easily overcome using fairly simple tools. Also if someones plan is to do you harm they still have plenty of time to get in, kill/kidnap you, and get out again. Responce time is abysmal, and also see the note about police above.
D: It is safer to give in to an attacker..
Can you believe womens groups are actually teaching this? They say that there is less chance of you being hurt if you just give into our mugger/rapist/possible murderer.
My reply is of course. BULLSHIT.
That is just a few points. There are more but I just woke up and don't feel like making this post go on forever.
Now a couple other points I would like to make.
1: There are an estimated 400,000 to 2,000,000 (yes that is two million) defensive civilian uses of guns every year. THe gun isn't always fired. Many cases are like mine from a few months ago where the mere showing of the weapon was enough to deter a crime.
Now in contrast to that, even the highest studies put total gun deaths (this includes police shooting someone and valid self defense) at a tiny fraction of that.. (I can't find the exact number right now but will try to later)
2: Most Rapes end in Murder or permenant bodily harm, not to mention the mental anguish. Not resisting to the fullest extent possible is just stupid.
3: There was a shooting at a law school last week. A man walked in and started shooting. A tragedy to be sure.
What has not been widly reported is that this was stopped by another studen who went to his can and got his own gun. The Shooter saw the other gun and dropped his. He was then restrained at gunpoint till the police got there many minutes later.
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We were all impressed when Azizza wrote:
3: There was a shooting at a law school last week. A man walked in and started shooting. A tragedy to be sure.
Is it how I read it, or did you mean to be sarcastic here? 
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Kanid wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Is it how I read it, or did you mean to be sarcastic here?
ACK Bad way of wording it I guess.
No I was not being sarcastic. Although in hindsight that is funny as hell. =P
ANytime innocent people die it is a tragedy.
Ok ok these are aspiring lawyers. Maybe they are not "innocent" but they are still human... uhh.. damn. Ok it is sad just let it go 
According to a survey done of inmates in Arizona, the number one deterrant for B&E is a big dog. Number two, obvious indication of firearms on the premises. (ie Gunrack in the pickup, NRA Sticker, "Protected by Smith and Wesson" sticker, etc.)
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Ruvyen Warblade had this to say about Optimus Prime:
One word.Texas.
Ahh Texas. How I love that state If I didn't like the cold so much I would move there..
I just would not suggest being a Repo man in Texas.
Couldn't ask for a better tempered dog.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Lashanna was all like:
Because, more than likely, your weapon will not protect you from the person entering your home...
12 of the past 12 school shootings involved illegally obtained firearms. In other words, fire arms that will be obtained despite any level of anti-gun legislation.
9 of those 12 were stopped by a civilian with a liscensed firearm. In other words, in 9 of 12 cases, a civilian with a firearm was more effective than the police.
The country with the highest gun density in the world (Netherlands I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong) coincidentally also has the lowest crime rate in the world.
The benefit of owning a firearm and training in it's use is beyond question. [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Maradön? ]
What gets most people in trouble is when they pick up their first gun, and it's a 375, 45mm, or a big damn rifle/shotgun. The kick on those are powerful enough to throw your shoulder out of socket, or recoil to the point where you might smack yourself in the head, and knock yourself out. A valid gun safety instruction is that you only put a single bullet into the chamber of a gun the first time you shoot it. Therefore, if you drop or otherwise lose control of the gun after you've shot it, it won't fire again.
By the way, in Texas, they do "teach" you to shoot to kill an intruder. It's not in any documentation about the concealed handgun law, or anything like that, but it is "preached" as a way to fire a weapon. "Once you have drawn your gun, you must be mentally and physically prepared to end someone's life."
As for me, I've personally got an overgrown furball called an Alaskan Malamute. He's the friendliest damn dog, but he'll scare you if you're not expecting him. The Malamutes are very close cousins to the wild wolf, and when they bare their teeth, it does usually provoke some sort of primal reaction in your head. You may not go running down the street screaming, but you'll acknowledge that this animal was a good predator on its own.
Other then that, you enter my apartment and will be literally surrounded by knives. I collect the Gil Hibben series and have them all around. Needless to say, my cheap - but still sharp - katana is in the bedroom with me. :P
...Although, its kinda scary that the most violent person in my house has the only key to his own gun cabinet. [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: greykittytwilight ]
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greykittytwilight had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
...Although, its kinda scary that the most violent person in my house has the only key to his own gun cabinet.
That's quite scary. Considering if you were there alone, you have no entry into the cabinet. I'm assuming it's not a glass door, since I haven't seen one in years that is.
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Stormhaven wrote, obviously thinking too hard:What gets most people in trouble is when they pick up their first gun, and it's a 375, 45mm, or a big damn rifle/shotgun. :P
you do realize that if someone were able to pick up a 45mm Gun and fire it that it would remove thier arm from the body. 45mm is almost 2 inches across. What you mean is a .45 caliber which is .45 of an inch across. anything over .50 or 12.5mm is considered a destructive device and requires a speacial tax stamp to own, if your state even allows it.
HOwever I am preaching here.
Your point is very valid. WHen I teach a new person to shoot I start them out with a .22lr calliber pistol loaded with a single round. I place my hands over theres to keel them from doing anything stupid and then we work up from there.
Er, I'll paraphrase.
See, ya use a 22, ya get this big hole in da back of der head, and thats generally a bad thing to clean up. But see, a 9mm just kinda goes in a rattles around.. Ya know, like pac-man.
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Delphi had this to say about Captain Planet:
I still like Vinnie's explination of why people use 9mms.
Uh, I think you may of gotten that backwards. How does a 9mm, a much larger and more destructive round than a .22, go in and "rattle around" whereas the .22 "makes a big hole." ?
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Delphi was all like:
I still like Vinnie's explination of why people use 9mms.Er, I'll paraphrase.
See, ya use a 22, ya get this big hole in da back of der head, and thats generally a bad thing to clean up. But see, a 9mm just kinda goes in a rattles around.. Ya know, like pac-man.
That paraphrase amuses me greatly.
I was going to stay out of this thread, I really was.
1. Small caliber weapons are all but useless for self-defense. No stopping power; you're more likely to piss the bad guy off than to harm him seriously. It requires much more expertise to use a .22 in self defense than a 9mm or .45.
While one should definitely cut one's teeth on smaller calibers, they are not primary self-defense weapons.
2. Statistics show correlation, not causation. So many people are hurt by their own weapons because they are stupid, or don't know what they are doing--not because it's inherently dangerous to have a home-defense weapon.
3. Knives are not home-defense weapons. They're not even much good for self-defense unless one has a lot of training. Swords--especiall slashing swords--aren't much good either.
4. Sure, it's easy to say, "Oh yeah, I'd do this, and that, and bust a 133t |<ung |=u m0v3, but that's what's known in the business as "talking out your ass." Being attacked is very stressful. Unless you've been trained, and practice, you're better off dialing 911 and hiding under the bed than brandishing a weapon you've not the slightest clue how to use.
It takes self-discipline and forethought, as well as training, to keep cool under fire. Or in a situation that might lead to violence.
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Feeling strongly about a topic is not sufficient grounds on which to base an opinion. One also needs to have some knowledge of the topic.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Azizza thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
you do realize that if someone were able to pick up a 45mm Gun and fire it that it would remove thier arm from the body. 45mm is almost 2 inches across. What you mean is a .45 caliber which is .45 of an inch across. anything over .50 or 12.5mm is considered a destructive device and requires a speacial tax stamp to own, if your state even allows it.
Details, details.
Granted, now in the back of my head I'm thinking, "cool, pick up a 45mm...."
i cant afford one
and frankly im not gonna shoot anyone ANY fucking way, ill dial 911 and cry like a bitch in my closet, much saer than shooting mssing and getting killed for trying to be a hero.
You arent a hero. YOu arent superman. Just cause you know karate doesnt make you the man. Ya know some moron with a black belt tried to "take out" and intruder and his "matrix style" bullet dodging skills were under par that day and he took one in his shiney bald black belt head.
And a bow isnt a very good weapon at cloe range. Unless you have a HUGE house everything is cose rang. Go ahead try and shoot someone from 3 feet away and get away with it
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Bloodsage typed:
Knives are not home-defense weapons. They're not even much good for self-defense unless one has a lot of training. Swords--especiall slashing swords--aren't much good either.
Indeed, however, they are intimidating. Especially if you're dealing with (for example) a burglar, who is not usually armed. You shouldn't want to actually hurt them (if they were unarmed, you'd be facing possible assault charges), but rather just scare them away.
Being a long-time member of a full-contact group has its benefits in real life. I know how to smack someone with a close combat weapon, without applying too much force, so as not to damage them. The wrist snapback action is second nature to me now.
Who needs a gun to scare pests away? Here in the UK, in the fairly-safe region that I live in, they're never armed. A quick, painful, but not damaging slap to the side of the head (with the flat of the blade) should be more than enough to send them running from your home.
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Mortious had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Indeed, however, they are intimidating. Especially if you're dealing with (for example) a burglar, who is not usually armed.
B&E without a weapon is not common, and it is especially foolish if the perp knows there are people within the premises at the time.
And as I said, TRAINING is of the utmost importantance, no matter what you decide to do. If you aren't prepared, you'll just as soon piss your pants as be able to remove the trigger lock from your firearm.
A mid-sized to large dog is a better deterrant, it is best to have the intruder never enter the home than to try and have to repel them.
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Kanid had this to say:
B&E without a weapon is not common
I don't live in the US. 
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Mortious had this to say about (_|_):
I don't live in the US.
Oh yeah, in the UK it's illegal to have firearms, right? When did they pass that law? Did it happen to be shortly after a certain little colony revolted?
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Bloodsage had this to say about Captain Planet:
1. Small caliber weapons are all but useless for self-defense. No stopping power; you're more likely to piss the bad guy off than to harm him seriously. It requires much more expertise to use a .22 in self defense than a 9mm or .45.
I'm scared of anyone who would even consider purchasing a .22 for self-defense. Well, not scared of, maybe scared for..
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Kanid stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Oh yeah, in the UK it's illegal to have firearms, right? When did they pass that law? Did it happen to be shortly after a certain little colony revolted?
Actually, it was after some nutjob went on a shooting spree there in the late 80's/early 90's.
Now the only people with firearms in the UK are the military, the police, the criminals, and the Irish.
Sar...
I believe the first anti firearm laws in England started as a way to curtail duels. These laws were compounded in the 20s and 30s to fight orginized crime, and after WWII they just kinda remained in place.
I'm not a very big student of English History so perhaps a native could give better info on it.
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Maradon: Of course the weapons used in those school shootings were obtained illegaly, it's not legal for a minor to purchase firearms in most states. The thing you failed to mention is that those weapons were obtained from legal vendors who failed to follow proper procedure in selling the firearm.
Keeping loaded weapons in a home is dangerous and in most cases foolish even if they are locked up. This is even more true in a home with childern, even if they're in a locked case as childern have a way of getting around locks. Remember you are more likely to get shot with your own firearm than to shoot an intruder. I'm not saying that you shouldn't protect yourself, but you don't have to be "packin" to do it. You can protect yourself by taking simple procautions, one way deadbolts, permanently sealing downstairs windows, shatterproof glass in sliding doors, etc. Personally I own two firearms, neither are loaded, and both are locked in different locations within my home. Also the bullets for both are kept in different locations, this is done to protect me from my own weapons in the case of an intruder.
What is needed in this country is stricter enforcement of existing weapon laws, and a requirement of proficency in firearm use and safety to purchase said weapons. Much like the requirements for obtaining a drivers license. That said I am against concealed weapon laws and handguns in general as I feel they have little practical use other than killing people. I'm all for defending one's self, but concealed handguns are a danger to everyone due to the possible mishaps that can happen in any crisis situation where one might be used, no matter how well trained the user is.
