And then there's the lightsabre...
And the Force-lightning would only work for a little while before he adapted and regenerated. Same goes for the light-saber.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Also, all the borg are weak minded. He could use jedi mind control, hell, maybe even take over the entire collective through thier hive mind.
maybe if they could get close enough to fiddle with vaders buttons.
Plus Locutus has that little laser thingy, which he could use to distract Darth. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
On the adaptation topic: Why didn't Picard make zillions of guns in the holo-deck to use in First Contact? Aint no way a borg is gonna adapt to hot lead
Cause I don't know who Locutus is. 
"I find your lack of a head disturbing."
Winner: Dark Lord of the Sith
Now, a Star Destroyer vs. a Borg Cube... that'd be the Pay-Per-View event of the year!
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Also, all the borg are weak minded. He could use jedi mind control, hell, maybe even take over the entire collective through thier hive mind.
An individual Borg drone is weakminded, but the hive-consciousness would have an incredibly strong will, so I doubt that.
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Siliddar had this to say about Tron:
psah star destroyer'ld get creamed
not death star vs. borg sphere, now THATS a fight
thats not a fight, that would be a slaghter
"Prepare to be.." Deathstar blow up the cube , then does the worl a favor and blows up DS9 and Voyager
Here's the problem: Star destroyers pack, at best, high powered turbolasers. Lasers don't even penetrate the Enterprise navigational deflector array, much less the ship's shields. Missiles? well, SSD's have large arrays of nuclear-type warheads (though they don't call them that) and concussion missiles. Again, the Enterprise D was shown to have shrugged off that sort of attack. On the other hand, The D is smaller, more maneuverable (SSD had something like 200,000 people on board; the Enterprise D had 1012), faster outside of warp (though hyperspace is faster, just by the definition of how you rate hyperdrives in Star Wars), plus it's better equipped.
So if we're talking ship to ship combat, Vader gets his Sithy ass spanked. If we're talking Vader versus any single borg (even Locutus, keep in mind there's nothing unique about Locutus as far as Borg go. He just has a name so that he can be used as an ambassador type to scare the Federation), the borg gets their mechanical ass kicked.
Question is if the Borg would perceive Vader as much of an enemy, seeing as he's "More machine now than man". They'd definitely be interested in learning how a cyborg like Vader could manipulate the Force.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Here's the problem: Star destroyers pack, at best, high powered turbolasers. Lasers don't even penetrate the Enterprise navigational deflector array, much less the ship's shields.
BEEEEEEP!
Wrong Mr. 'I know it all'!
Look at the capabilities of turbolasers(which are NOT lasers btw) here!
Or just follow the link above the quote. [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Tarquinn ]
I was always of the opinion that SW weapons are grossly underpowered in the Trek sense, for the reasons Deth outlined above. Furthermore, Trek weapons are far more powerful than SW weapons, because they harness more powerful energies.
Anyone wanna dispute this, I'll explain each one in detail.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
and some fan website isn't going to change that fact. Lucas was more concerned with story, Trek was more concerned with using the sci fi genre as a metaphor. Lucas and Roddenberry, while contemporaries, had two different motivations.
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I recommend reading it, its a fun read.
Plus they neglect to mention the Tri-Cobalt torpedoes (which can roxors j00 ), the heavy graviton-based plasma-driver, and, of course, transwarp. in all its fruity forms.
Unfortunately, neither series have any 'new' canon coming out any time soon. Star Trek X should be out late next year, and Episode 2 will be out god knows when. And BTW, books DO NOT COUNT FOR CANON.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Tarquinn had this to say about Punky Brewster:
It's a little bit more than a "fansite".
Since he doesn't work for LucasArts OR Paramount, it IS just a fansite.
A fansite with a helluva lot of content.
It's too bad the Empire is 2 billion light-years away and died out thousands of years ago.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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We were all impressed when Karnaj wrote:
Well, that's all well and good, but Federation gunboats (paricularly Steamrunner and Akira class ships) can pound Star Destroyers outside their functional turbolaser/fighter range.
ALL Star Tek battles happend within distances of a few kilometres.
(Show me a >battle< and I'll prove you wrong.)
And even then photon torpedos have a terrible hit ratio.
If you have the time go and read the site I've shown you. It REALLY is a good, interesting read!
For trekkies and SW fans alike.
(I'm not saying that SW is better than ST, I like both equally.)
I always thought that SW would be WAAAAAAY more powerful, for a few reasons.
From the little i've seen of Star Trek, I haven't noticed any sort of fighter craft. Now, If I were the Federation, I would have some sort of standardized fleet. I mean, how can a ST fleet beat a SW fleet if a SW fleet has little X-Wings flying around faster then you can shoot?
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Since he doesn't work for LucasArts OR Paramount, it IS just a fansite.A fansite with a helluva lot of content.
It's too bad the Empire is 2 billion light-years away and died out thousands of years ago.
Have paramount or lucasfilm ever said (or published a book) that SW/ST technology is superior to ST/SW technology?
No?
So, as we do not have any "official" statements concerning what is 'better' all we can do is to look at everything seen on the screen and in books to draw our own conclusions ...
This is exactly what this site does.
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Tarquinn had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
ALL Star Tek battles happend within distances of a few kilometres.
(Show me a >battle< and I'll prove you wrong.)
And even then photon torpedos have a terrible hit ratio.If you have the time go and read the site I've shown you. It REALLY is a good, interesting read!
For trekkies and SW fans alike.(I'm not saying that SW is better than ST, I like both equally.)
Be that as it may, they can take place MUCH further away. Torpedoes have a functional range of 4 million kilometers (for medium detonation yield).
Given that SD's move rather slow, they'd be a piece of cake to hit beyond their weapons' functional range, and still move closer for a higher impact yield.
I should raise another point. Nowhere does it say that the Laws of Physics are universal. For all we know, Hyperspace may not exist in any functional context outside the SW galaxy.
Hey, stranger things have happened.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
*edit*
So much about accuracy.
"In "Way of the Warrior" we saw DS9 repeatedly miss incoming Klingon warships with both phasers and photon torpedoes, in spite of the fact that those warships were following very predictable flight paths, usually straight lines. Some trekkies dispute the misses, claiming that the weapons were merely targeting other vessels off-screen, but some of the scenes were shown from the perspective of DS9 itself, and the torpedoes could clearly be seen heading for nothing but empty space, in spite of their vaunted guidance and targeting systems. " [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Tarquinn ]
Then there's that whole force thing.. Pfft. Sheilds, baby!
I still like what Maradon said:
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Well there's The Force for one. I don't care who you are you ain't gonna adapt to an invisible brick flying through the air.
BWA HAHAHA! I hurt myself when I read that. 
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Yes, but dont neglect the fact that the SSD's shields can withstand the hits of many photon topedos.
And with a short hyperspace jump he could close the 'gap' in a split second.
I would think that the time it takes to charge the hyperdrives to power the ship would be more than enough time to compensate. And yes, an SSD can take a mighty pounding.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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I should raise another point. Nowhere does it say that the Laws of Physics are universal. For all we know, Hyperspace may not exist in any functional context outside the SW galaxy.Hey, stranger things have happened.
Bu on the other hand Star Trek ships need to ben and brake more Laws than the average SW ship.
I Say the SSD would on two points.
1. Doctrine. Really come on Evil Milatary empire that conqred half a galaxy and crushed all who oppose (Not counting Rebel lead by long lost offspring or ewoks...Fear the ewok for nothing can stand agaienst it.) Or a Federation of sissy pansy tree hugging hippy scientists that can't even serve real booze? Good thing Kilgons don't belive in that synthol BS, other wise they would have gotten sober enough to wipe the Federation out long ago.
2. If anything the SSD could just run the danm thing over, or grab it with some tractor beams and just bring it in and bord it.
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I would think that the time it takes to charge the hyperdrives to power the ship would be more than enough time to compensate. And yes, an SSD can take a mighty pounding.
Hyperdrives need little if not no time at all to charge.
The course plotting takes it time though, which isnt a problem for a line of sight jump.
(Read my edit in my previous post too please.)
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Hyperdrives need little if not no time at all to charge.
The course plotting takes it time though, which isnt a problem for a line of sight jump.
I can just see it. Some new officer's first day on the job of course navigator. "OOh! A line of sight jump! Easy" BANG! BOMO! BOOM!!
They jump right into a Ship
"DOH"
The Defiant and DS9's defense grid reflected this. Using pulse style energy weapons, they can maintain a steady flow of damage, but at the cost of the traditional beam weapons' nigh-infallible accuracy.
Let's put that debate to rest, anyway
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Now the Empire vs. the Borg...that'd be something to see! SSD vs a Cube. Stormtroopers vs drones. Cool.
Giving up that easily?
(Anyways, guess I'll go to bed now.)
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Giving up that easily?
(Anyways, guess I'll go to bed now.)
Well, OK then.
But how would the Empire know where to go? If their ships only have tactical sensors (seeing as they had their galaxy mapped out many moons ago) wouldn't they be flying blind in our galaxy?
Assuming that they knew where to go, they could pwn the Feds. If not, well, they're kinda scroood.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Well, OK then.But how would the Empire know where to go? If their ships only have tactical sensors (seeing as they had their galaxy mapped out many moons ago) wouldn't they be flying blind in our galaxy?
Assuming that they knew where to go, they could pwn the Feds. If not, well, they're kinda scroood.
IF their ships had only tactical sensors.
In fact they do have FTL sensors able of tracking targets many, many ligtyears away.
If not laying traps with gravity well projector equiped ships would be pretty hard.
Enterprise: *Scans for shield modulation frequency*
SSD: *Attacks*
Enterprise: *Locates bridge of SSD*
SSD: *Keeps attacking, launches TIE fighters*
Enterprise: *Beams armed photon-torpedo onto the bridge of SSD*
SSD: *goes boom*
Winner: Enterprise
Vader vs. Locutus: (please remember, many Borg parts are made to be easily detached.)
Locutus: Prepare to be assimilated.
Vader: *waves his hand, and various parts of Locutus go flying*
Locutus: Resistance is futile.
Vader: *cuts Locutus's head off, then collects the parts to use as an upgrade*
Winner: Vader [ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: Palador ChibiDragon ]
but the trekkies would explain away it and steal his glory.
thats one thing about trekkies i hate the ycan "overexplain" everything with techno babble.
i like my Sci Fi without the bullshit thanks :P
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[QB]Enterprise D vs. Super Star DestroyerEnterprise: *Scans for shield modulation frequency*
SSD: *Attacks*
Enterprise: *Locates bridge of SSD*
SSD: *Keeps attacking, launches TIE fighters*
Enterprise: *Beams armed photon-torpedo onto the bridge of SSD*
SSD: *goes boom*
Winner: Enterprise
Wrong.
If it would be that easy to beam (ordnance) through enemy shields by scanning their modulation, why didn't that form of combat replace standard phasers and photon torpedos?
The Feds would have owned the dominion using that technique.
As far as I remember it was done only one time so far ... with a heavily damaged borg sphere without shields!
(And even then the much smaller borg sphere wasn't destroyed, just disabled.)
Furthermore destroying the bridge won't put a SSD (or ISD) out of the fight the same way a loss of the Enterprise's bridge would do.
The SSD weapons aren't controlled from the bridge in the same way Federation ship weapons are controlled.
They resemble more WW2 warships, knocking out the bridge won't kill the ships gunners, the fighter squadrons or the ability to establisgh a backup bridge somewhere else on the ship.
