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Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-05-2010 04:51:19 AM
There is no good middle ground here.

Horde quest: "Here, go kill some puppies. It's okay because we're doing it in self-defense."

Alliance quest: "Yo, go kill those Horde over there. Done? Okay, good job. The battle was still lost despite all your efforts because your faction is dumb."

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 12-05-2010 10:04:03 AM
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Maradon! had this to say about Duck Tales:
To understand Garrosh, just imagine he's any one of a billion little girls out there with enormous daddy issues and then combine that with all of the usual violent Orc tendencies, minus any of the wisdom or intelligence of any other racial leader in the game. Garrosh isn't even smart enough to know that he isn't smart. Thrall only appointed him temporary stewardship of the horde because he's an extremely popular war hero, and if it weren't for a handful of major deus-ex-machina flashes of intelligence, Garrosh would be nothing but a vapid tool.

I disagree on the vapid tool part. Garrosh went from hearing about how his father doomed his entire race with his bloodlust his entire life, to suddenly knowing that there are other orcs, and not only that, but his father saved them all and redeemed himself. They also have a city that isn't constantly under threat by this that or the other thing.

Thrall saw him as a confident leader in need of more experience and what the True Horde was like. That's why he appointed him to move forward with Warsong Hold. And in his time there he learned from Saurfang, one of the orcs closest to his father. Sit down and read the speech Saurfang gives in Warsong Hold sometime. It's a bitter reminder of the events of WC3 and how hard it was on a lot of orcs once they could remember what they had done.

Overall, Northrend mellowed Garrosh out a LOT. From the discussions and implications that Thrall put upon him (Such as bitching at him to listen to his fucking advisors) as well as the sense of honor that Saurfang impressed upon him, he seems to be shaping up to be an actual decent leader. He's no Thrall, but I don't think he's gonna follow in his daddy's footsteps.

If you want an example of what I mean, go do the stonetalon quests for Horde now. (They start in central-southern ashenvale.) By the end of it, you'll see he isn't nearly as bloodthirsty and horrible as he was in ToC. And while the Horde does some terrible things, now it's mostly confined to the Forsaken.

Delphi Aegis fucked around with this message on 12-05-2010 at 10:04 AM.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-05-2010 01:07:01 PM
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Die, nem-x! You don't belong in this world!
Just do glyphs. You can make 1000 gold a day without even trying; 20k if you do.

I have a max herbalist/skinner, so I guess I should drop skinning for inscription. I don't have a Scribe yet. Hmm.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Maradon!
posted 12-05-2010 04:05:05 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Delphi Aegis who doth quote:
I disagree on the vapid tool part.

Thing is, Garrosh has already been used as a vapid tool by the Grimtotem to murder Cairne. If it weren't for the Kor'kron and one of those rare bouts of good sense when he actually took Eitrigg's advice, nobody would have ever found out!

So he was manipulated into killing Cairne and bringing about the death of nearly everyone in Thunder Bluff and the only reason he's pissed about it is because Magatha deprived him of the honorable slaying of Cairne.

Vapid tool might be a bit generous.

Willias
Pancake
posted 12-05-2010 11:50:00 PM
In the novel, doesn't Garrosh tell Thrall that he'd be a poor choice for Warchief, and Thrall tells him that the majority of the orcs (which make up the bulk of the Horde) wouldn't listen to anyone but a fellow orc?

Garrosh isn't very bright, but I'm pretty sure he at least knows that himself. He's a "point at it and I'll beat the shit out of it with a big axe" stereotypical orc warrior, and to be honest, I kind of like that about em.

I think in the long run, Thrall will end up Warchief again, and hopefully Garrosh does something that actually redeems himself a bit. For now, I'll enjoy this new built-up, murderous and powerful version of the Horde.

As for Sylvanas, I'm pretty sure something is wrong with her. Arthas' death did something to her head, and hopefully over the course of Cataclysm, Blizzard reveals what's up with her.

There's a forsaken quest NPC in Eastern Plaguelands that straight up says that something has changed about her, and that this "new" Banshee Queen isn't someone he's willing to follow, so he leaves the Forsaken and fully joins up with the Argent Crusade. Here's hoping that there's going to be more to this than "oh, she's evil now".

Maradon!
posted 12-06-2010 12:25:05 AM
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x--WilliasO-('-'Q) :
In the novel, doesn't Garrosh tell Thrall that he'd be a poor choice for Warchief, and Thrall tells him that the majority of the orcs (which make up the bulk of the Horde) wouldn't listen to anyone but a fellow orc?

Yeah, there's that, but on the other hand he rarely behaves as if anybody knows how to run the Horde better than he does - including Thrall. Frankly his personality is inconsistent in that regard. I blame poor writing.

His bouts of wisdom and humility are rare and wildly out of place when compared to his usual behavior.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 12-06-2010 at 12:25 AM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-06-2010 01:18:58 AM
I accept Garrosh because he's the only high-level NPC to actually do things of his own free will and not be driven to do villainy because of being corrupted/driven insane/given a bad haircut by an Old God/demons/things beyond his ken.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 12-06-2010 03:51:58 PM
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Lyinar Ka`Bael gently hums:
Just lost interest, at least on my part.

It's only to be expected after so long. Even the tutorials can only go so far in bringing back the spark.

He should bring you flowers more often, ask you how your day was, dress up as a panda to put the adventure back in.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 12-06-2010 10:57:55 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Pirotess:
It's only to be expected after so long. Even the tutorials can only go so far in bringing back the spark.

He should bring you flowers more often, ask you how your day was, dress up as a panda to put the adventure back in.


LOL, irony being he just got a panda hat for a late birthday present


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

nem-x
posted 12-07-2010 01:58:26 AM
Servers are starting to lag like shit. God speed everyone
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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 12-07-2010 03:14:58 AM
Servers are fucked up so bad in the US that the EU servers are fucking up.
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-07-2010 09:33:44 AM
Looks like I picked the right time to start playing Star Trek Online. :smug:
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Greenlit
posted 12-07-2010 07:00:11 PM
Game's actually fun again

Class changes are pretty boss

haters gonna hate

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 12-07-2010 07:33:51 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Greenlit said:
Game's actually fun again

Class changes are pretty boss

haters gonna hate


Actually being a full member of a spec line at level 10? Boss.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-07-2010 10:10:20 PM
The talent changes are cool, though they basically mean you can't PvP until 80-85.
nem-x
posted 12-07-2010 10:19:13 PM
Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-07-2010 11:34:38 PM
Intro to Vash'jir does a nice job of illustrating what tools Garrosh and his fanboys are. The underwater experience is pretty decent, though it does flash by bewilderingly fast; I find the linear quest structure to be a relief after years of the laundry list that requires you to go in ten different directions. Time to level is pretty tame compared what the scuttlebutt proposed it would be like; couple hours to 81 tops.
Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 12-08-2010 01:53:43 AM
Given there are already 85's by people who took a day or 2 off work, I'm irritated at the leveling curve. Would have preferred a bit more of a challenge.

Rumor is someone hit 85 within 3.5 hours of servers going live in the US. I find that hard to believe, but not impossible.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-08-2010 02:20:32 AM
Eh. It's not so bad. If you weigh your success against the kind of people who have hit 85 a day after the expansion released, you're going to be very disappointed, whether you match them or not.
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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 12-08-2010 02:30:12 AM
Part of it goes back to me being an "elitist prick" about certain things. I'm hoping they're going to keep the "no, you really do need to know how to play your class" attitude on things for this expansion....

and the XP gains for arch right now are really overloaded. I can fly around and hit areas where there's 0 threat and get 7k per 'node' that I get. Not as fast as killing things for XP, but 0 risk, completely trivial.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 12-08-2010 07:44:44 PM
quote:
Random Insanity Generator got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Part of it goes back to me being an "elitist prick" about certain things. I'm hoping they're going to keep the "no, you really do need to know how to play your class" attitude on things for this expansion....

Leveling will never ever require this. Not in WoW nor any successful MMO following. Raiding and to a lesser extent group dungeons, sure, but they'd be throwing away money if they made leveling actually hard.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-08-2010 08:41:40 PM
Ha ha. Hard leveling. Like the good ol' days of EQ.

Yessir, where you had to know your class and the other guys' class and every class that only had three buttons to push and none of them did anything interesting and even if you knew your class, you couldn't do shit if you didn't pick the right class at startup.

Fuck that game.

Nina
posted 12-08-2010 10:07:04 PM
So, from what I've seen, warrior talent trees have significantly changed since I last played (mid-Burning Crusade era). I'm told levelling as Protection isn't tedious and painful anymore, to what extent is this true?

I'm not really looking to min/max my talent tree, just wanting to pick something fun, and I already did Fury for levelling last time through.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 12-08-2010 10:22:09 PM
It was viable in WOTLK. More so for paladins, sure, but I know several people who leveled prot last time.

Haven't played Cataclysm, but I doubt they'd back off from that

Nina
posted 12-08-2010 10:28:44 PM
For low levels too? I forgot to mention I'm starting over.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 12-08-2010 10:42:47 PM
The main problem used to be gearing with prot until 70, but perhaps they've fixed that with Cataclysm. Hopefully someone else can help you with that
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-09-2010 03:22:50 AM
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What is a Kegwen? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk... Have at you!
The main problem used to be gearing with prot until 70, but perhaps they've fixed that with Cataclysm. Hopefully someone else can help you with that

Quests in lowbie zones keep you up in USEFUL greens and blues, and since defense isn't a factor anymore, all you need to level as Prot is a shield, the spec, and defensive stance.

I'm leveling my Worgen Warrior as Fury though. I'm an unstoppable killing machine thanks to a few heirlooms.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-09-2010 03:58:43 AM
Protection Warriors had the severe issue that they could take a lot of damage, but do absolute crap. Now, Heroic Strike and Revenge have had their damage buffed significantly and talents like Blood and Thunder make leveling quite feasible.
nem-x
posted 12-09-2010 05:04:00 AM

After our healer left we tried a random heroic queue. The pubby priest went shadowform on the first pull.

Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 12-09-2010 08:25:18 AM
If you play a healing priest and hadn't heard:

Once you hit 83, forget about having mana.

You don't.

Mana goes by so fast, and regen is so low, you'll probably run oom after ~10 seconds of playing Lich-King-Spam style.


I've been running heroics as Holy the last few days, and while they're hard as fuck to execute, healing is doable if you go into it with the mindset of:

"My Heal spell is what I'm spamming non-stop, just to keep the tank steady. During spikes or group-wide damage, I'll pop a fancy move like CoH or Hymn.Using Chakra helps with throughput, but not mana." If a DPS is standing in the wrong place, and takes damage, it won't come off unless he clicks the lightwell, cause I sure can't afford the 3 GCD's it'll take to heal his dumb ass, and wow I went on a tirade. Sorry, I need sleep. I'll make a better post tomorrow, or later today I guess, apparently there's light coming out my window.

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
nem-x
posted 12-09-2010 08:48:36 AM
On the halion-esque fight in tolvir, our holy priest was running out of mana near 50%, and all they were really using was the mana efficient heal.

We brought in a holy pally and one shotted it. So there's definitely some tweaking that needs to go on.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-09-2010 12:25:56 PM
quote:
How.... Mr. Parcelan.... uughhhhhh:
Protection Warriors had the severe issue that they could take a lot of damage, but do absolute crap. Now, Heroic Strike and Revenge have had their damage buffed significantly and talents like Blood and Thunder make leveling quite feasible.

Don't forget Vengeance, which apparently makes tanks do nutty damage.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 12-09-2010 01:29:13 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Duck Tales:
Protection Warriors had the severe issue that they could take a lot of damage, but do absolute crap. Now, Heroic Strike and Revenge have had their damage buffed significantly and talents like Blood and Thunder make leveling quite feasible.

Shield Bash does obscene amounts of damage as well. Even without an heirloom weapon most mobs are dead after a shield bash, victory rush, and heroic strike. And that's if none of those 3 crit.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 12-09-2010 01:39:10 PM
Druids seem to be in the same boat on healing.

If the DPS isn't a bunch of tards and the Tank is a Tank, then I can usually get through 3 or so back to back trash pulls before needing mana. But if one DPS can't help but hug the explosives.... I'm OOM every fight practically.

And this is just Stonecore healing. Can't wait till I find my way to the big places.

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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Peter
Pancake
posted 12-10-2010 12:44:47 AM
quote:
Nina thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
For low levels too? I forgot to mention I'm starting over.

Protection is actully the ideal leveling spec for warriors. your insta instance for the most part. Blizzard went the smart move to deal with threat generation and moved it to the tanks doing more DPS to increase their threat gen. Also getting the new victory rush with it's heal is a god send to any spec of warrior, in a mob right area you basicly become a ramgaeing death machine.

And thankfully they shit canned the defense stat so gearing isn't to bad anymore, hell up untill the mid 70's probally just fine in any non caster plate.

---Side note still odd as fuck to see felguards in like level 10 instances. But actully haveing players use their class abilitys for the most of their alt's progession much better idea.

Peter fucked around with this message on 12-10-2010 at 12:46 AM.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-10-2010 04:46:37 PM
quote:
Tribute? You steal men's Peters, and make them your slaves!
Protection is actully the ideal leveling spec for warriors. your insta instance for the most part. Blizzard went the smart move to deal with threat generation and moved it to the tanks doing more DPS to increase their threat gen. Also getting the new victory rush with it's heal is a god send to any spec of warrior, in a mob right area you basicly become a ramgaeing death machine.

And thankfully they shit canned the defense stat so gearing isn't to bad anymore, hell up untill the mid 70's probally just fine in any non caster plate.

---Side note still odd as fuck to see felguards in like level 10 instances. But actully haveing players use their class abilitys for the most of their alt's progession much better idea.



My Fury Warrior tanked SFK last night without many issues. Tossed on a shield and def stance and went to town. I'm sure having an heirloom weapon with an enchant helps. The only time I died was at the last boss because I didn't get out of the way of his KAMEHAMEHA attack in time because I was already low HP.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Willias
Pancake
posted 12-11-2010 08:07:20 PM
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
Protection Warriors had the severe issue that they could take a lot of damage, but do absolute crap. Now, Heroic Strike and Revenge have had their damage buffed significantly and talents like Blood and Thunder make leveling quite feasible.

This is an understatement.

I wouldn't level a warrior as anything but Prot. You have ridiculous levels of defense, and then an utter shitload of offense in Shield Slam, Devastate, and Revenge. It isn't uncommon, as a low level prot warrior, to completely dominate every damage character in DPS and Damage Dealt in low level instances. I'm talking about doubling their damage output with little difficulty, just get Cleave glyph and Blood and Thunder and go to town.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-11-2010 08:10:51 PM
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Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as Willias!
This is an understatement.

I wouldn't level a warrior as anything but Prot. You have ridiculous levels of defense, and then an utter shitload of offense in Shield Slam, Devastate, and Revenge. It isn't uncommon, as a low level prot warrior, to completely dominate every damage character in DPS and Damage Dealt in low level instances. I'm talking about doubling their damage output with little difficulty, just get Cleave glyph and Blood and Thunder and go to town.


I reached 30 and made my dual spec prot. Tanked an instance and outdamaged the rogue and hunter in the group.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 12-12-2010 12:02:44 AM
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Densetsu wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I reached 30 and made my dual spec prot. Tanked an instance and outdamaged the rogue and hunter in the group.

that's basically how it is for 90% of everything until *maybe* cata normals. Maybe. Then again, by the time you're tanking cata normal modes, the rest of the first wave of people will be off into heroics...

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 12-12-2010 05:29:02 AM
Maybe? Already are.
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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
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