I must have a thing for sado-masochistic RPG's.

So! For those of you who have finished the game, how did you fare in the suicide mission?

I got everyone through alive I was thorough with upgrades, had everyone's loyalty but Zaeed, and spent a lot of time considering which characters were best suited to each assignment. If you're curious:

Legion infiltrated through the vent and Jacob was my second team leader. Samara escorted the crew, Jack provided my biotic shield, and Garrus was my diversion team leader. I had Grunt and Tali with me in each segment.

I know that Normandy upgrades, your assignments, and maybe the player's performance affects the outcome. I'm still trying to figure out when and where loyalty becomes a factor.

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Nobody really understood why Sentow, I Guess wrote:

I know that Normandy upgrades, your assignments, and maybe the player's performance affects the outcome. I'm still trying to figure out when and where loyalty becomes a factor.

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I'm pretty sure that nonloyal party members die at the last push at the gate when you go kill the baby reaper.

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Sentow, I Guess had this to say about Knight Rider:
Mordin is so cool =3

So! For those of you who have finished the game, how did you fare in the suicide mission?

I got everyone through alive I was thorough with upgrades, had everyone's loyalty but Zaeed, and spent a lot of time considering which characters were best suited to each assignment. If you're curious:

Legion infiltrated through the vent and Jacob was my second team leader. Samara escorted the crew, Jack provided my biotic shield, and Garrus was my diversion team leader. I had Grunt and Tali with me in each segment.

I know that Normandy upgrades, your assignments, and maybe the player's performance affects the outcome. I'm still trying to figure out when and where loyalty becomes a factor.

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I did almost the same goddamn thing, but Morin still ate it and I don't know why. It's irritating the hell out of me too.

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Dr. Gee said this about your mom:
I did almost the same goddamn thing, but Morin still ate it and I don't know why. It's irritating the hell out of me too.

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Hmmm... Where did he get killed? Did you research his character-specific omni-tool upgrade?

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Sentow, I Guess had this to say about Robocop:
Hmmm... Where did he get killed? Did you research his character-specific omni-tool upgrade?

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I didn't, and he survived for me. I didn't pick up anything character specific for anyone, and everyone survived. Everyone was loyal, and I had all the ship upgrades (which are required if you want Jack, Garrus and Thane to make it). Tali through the vent, Miranda as second team leader, Jacob for taking my crew back, and Samara for the swarm tunnels.

Taeldian fucked around with this message on 02-04-2010 at 10:11 PM.

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Sentow, I Guess impressed everyone with:
Hmmm... Where did he get killed? Did you research his character-specific omni-tool upgrade?

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While I was fighting the end boss I guess. I don't know, it didn't really say. And yes I had everything researched for him. All I saw was a quick shot of him on the ground after having beaten the boss and then a coffin in the last scene. No feedback on what happened :/

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Mortious had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
The second one has its merits (the side quests and quests in general are more fun) but I have to say I enjoyed the first one more.

I must have a thing for sado-masochistic RPG's.

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Sado-masochistic RPGs? Play this shit on insanity and then come back and post about it.

I beat the game on Friday, doing every side mission and reading every codex entry and listening to every line of dialogue etc etc. There were a few missions that were bugged such as Ish's deliveries and the asari on the Citadel that needed the fake IDs. Also I chose the wrong squad leader for the alternate squad so Legion fucken died, even though that shouldn't make sense since Mordin was in the STG ("similar to SPECTREs" according to the codex) and I chose him. The final boss was hilarious and also incredibly gay but whatever. Overall I think the game is better than the first one, which took me considerable patience and thought to decide. The side planets on the first one were utterly pathetic, and even though the side planets on this one are basically boxed B-shooter canyons with impossible rows of cover, it's still better. The combat is better although the ammo is a pointless concession and the action is still more stiff and less complex than things like Queers of Bore.

I beat the game on normal, got to level 30 during the final fight, and am working through it on insanity now (barely). It is a punch in the nuts. Also, to get your team to survive the final mission:

Do all the loyalty missions, get the armor, shield, and gun upgrades for the SR2, choose Miranda, Jacob, or Garrus for the alternate team, choose Tali or Legion to open the gate, choose Grunt to take the crew back to the Normandy, and choose Jack or Samara to create the biotic field. I did all of these except I picked Mordin for the alternate team leader which got Legion killed

Furthermore I can't even retrain my powers until after Horizon, so basically I'm stuck getting my ass kicked for several hours until I become marginally better by adopting the popular strategy of commando + heavy inferno ammo + heavy disruptor ammo + heavy reave + heightened adrenaline rush.

Steven Steve fucked around with this message on 02-07-2010 at 11:05 AM.

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Steven Steve had this to say about Punky Brewster:
P.S. wtf is the point of having elemental rock paper scissors when you have a cool down just to CHANGE YOUR AMMO TYPES, you can't tell your teammates where to aim, and their damage sucks ass anyway? Unless you use warp ammo the game is basically inviting you to change to one ammo type, whittle down the barrier, change ammo type, whittle down the shields or armor, wait, change ammo type, whittle down the health. It's like fighting a geth colossus every time you just want to fucking kill someone. By the end of the game I could one-shot the collectors and husks and everything, but Jesus Christ. On insanity all the enemies have more health than you do. Varren have armor. VARREN

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This is why Mordin is the best. Do 4/4 Heavy Incinerate, 2/4 Cryo Blast, 4/4 Salarian Scientist. Pick someone else with Warp or Overload if you don't have either to deal with Barriers or Shields, and you'll literally drag your nuts over everything, even on Insane. Pretty much the only things that retain armor after Incinerate are Heavy Mechs and Geth Primes. Harbinger controlled Collectors and Krogan only end up with a tiny bit left. And Cryo Blast makes unarmored things nice and fragile/crowd controlled. He literally makes Inferno Ammo pointless.

Alternatively, play Three Engineers. You, Tali, and Legion. Attack Drones tend to stunlock all non-boss type enemies(Regular Combat Drones only stun shielded enemies, only thing they attack,) not including the chance of paralyzing Synthetics. You can use three of them. Simultaneously.

Skaw fucked around with this message on 02-08-2010 at 02:45 AM.

Explain THAT ONE

SLUT

^ That one made me laugh my ass off.

The Geth make great backing dancers.

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Steven Steve was naked while typing this:
I was already doing that, Skaw, but with 3/4 cryo blast instead of 2/4

Explain THAT ONE

SLUT

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I was using 3/4 Neural Shock to ruin accuracy on enemies.

Or is it start from scratch and shit is hard.

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Mortious's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Commander Shepard is still a jerk.

^ That one made me laugh my ass off.

The Geth make great backing dancers.

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When this happened to me in game, I nearly fell out of my chair.

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CBTao had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Out of curiosity, on the higher difficulty levels, is it a new game+ situation like ME1, and if so, do you pretty much get to skip all the planet farming for upgrades and just burn through the recruit/loyal/core missions?

Or is it start from scratch and shit is hard.

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New Game+ you just keep any weapons you've found, heavy weapons you've found/researched, armor pieces you've bought, and Shepard bonus powers unlocked from loyalties. No upgrades transfer over. But you start off with 50,000 of each resource, which means you'll never need to worry about Element Zero. Ever.

Skaw fucked around with this message on 02-11-2010 at 02:34 AM.

Soldier
Hardened adrenaline rush
Heavy disruptor ammo
Inferno ammo
Commando
Area reave (or heavy warp ammo)

Infiltrator
Assassin cloak
Heavy disruptor ammo
Heavy incinerate
Assassin
Heavy warp ammo

Vanguard
Area charge
Improved shockwave
Destroyer
Area reave
??? (perhaps inferno ammo)

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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I followed your list for the final mission, Steve, but Zaeed still fucking died like a bitch. Is it because I didn't get him loyal or something?

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Yes.

Also: Jesus fucking Christ Vorchaa HP regen. You really need to go in with something to really finish those bastards.

It's quite breathtaking how much better, more refined ME2 is in comparison.

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Steven Steve had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Here are my preferred builds so far (keep in mind I'm playing on PC with super duper controls):

Soldier
Hardened adrenaline rush
Heavy disruptor ammo
Inferno ammo
Commando
Area reave (or heavy warp ammo)

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My Insanity completed Soldier build was Hardened Adrenaline Rush, Improved Cryo Ammo, Shock Trooper, and the Geth Shield evolution that added 10% more weapon damage. Final mission was just.. easy. Heavy Reave on Samara took care of Collector and Harbinger Barriers and, of course, Garrus was just plowing through things with Heavy AP ammo. Improved Cryo Ammo pretty much freezes things in one shot, making enemy health bars virtually pointless. Didn't even use a heavy weapon.

In fact, last time I used one was the Cain back on the disabled collector ship, when the Praetorian shows up. And that was more to just quickly get rid of the Husks and Collectors that like to annoy the fuck out of you than to fight the Praetorian.

Don't underestimate the disruptor ammo though, since even with my awful damage I can take down "troopers" of all types (gangs, collectors, mechs, geth, etc.) in but one hit of the widow with it. It would probably work with only third level though, who knows.

I've done all the side missions on Illium now and I'm moving on to the Thane recruitment.

Steven Steve fucked around with this message on 02-13-2010 at 03:37 PM.

Heavy Disrupter Ammo
Assassin Cloak
Assassin
Heavy Inferno
Heavy Shield Transfer
Comedy point in AI Hacking

Pop on the assassin cloak + disrupter ammo and shit just gets taken down a peg. Plus I have all the bases covered on taking down defenses. Compared to trying a level 1 Sentinel on Hardcore, Insanity with my Infiltrator is pretty easy.

Although at level 30 I'm that I don't have any more points to spend on NPC powers.

Cull out sidegrades and handguns you'll never use and you're down to like one or two upgrades that you'll care about. You can pretty much totally ignore weapons entirely right up until the collector ship if you want to, and you won't suffer much.

In place of a variety of weapons, you instead get a sterile percent bonus upgrade from planet scanning. Is this really supposed to be more fun? Were we scratching our heads while playing ME1 and thinking "OH CHRIST there are SO many weapon and armor selections to make! I wish I had fewer options!"

Apart from that A++++ would play again (and am).

I cheated on my ME1 romance with Tali because Quarians have a gap and are hot.

I think it's just one of those things where people will complain about any part of a game that they wouldn't find in Halo, genre identifying traits be damned.

It was annoying that they switched ammo types from inventory-based to power based (especially with shared cooldown) but you must admit that there's more importance in selecting your configuration than there was before.

Steven Steve fucked around with this message on 02-28-2010 at 11:35 PM.