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Topic: Attn: Bloodsage, Maradon, Zair and Noxhil
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Mancake
posted 02-23-2009 09:03:59 AM
I had a great report on the history of the "In god we trust" backing vs the Gold backing.
If i find it ill copy it to PDF and set up the download for it.
It is from a Harvard business professor who, while giving a speech on the volatile market of the 80s, just freaking WENT OFF when a student asked a question of the "in god we trust" junk when they got to the Q and A time.
Steven Steve
posted 02-23-2009 09:09:40 AM
What is thes
"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 02-23-2009 09:22:54 AM
Free Market FDIC:

Banks get together and say 'hrm, no one will put money in any of our banks because we might go bankrupt and not be able to give them their money back.' They all agree this sucks and that they should do something about it. So they set up an insurance company to insure their accounts. Banks sign onto this totally awesome idea to protect peoples money and charge people's account for the right to insure, say 1% APR. Then when one bank falters there is this giant insurance company that pays people for any lost assets because that's what the banks created it to do.

Hey look. Free market.

Steven Steve
posted 02-23-2009 10:16:42 AM
Silence
"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 02-23-2009 12:10:35 PM
Do you yahoos realize that the FDIC is an insurance company that the banks have to buy into, the fees of which are either absorbed or passed onto the customers? Someone describe for the the functional difference between the FDIC being a for-profit corporation or it being a not-for-profit corporation underwritten and backed by the government in case something catastrophic and unforeseen happens.

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 02-23-2009 at 12:33 PM.

Nina
posted 02-23-2009 05:56:40 PM
quote:
Verily, Blindy. doth proclaim:
Do you yahoos realize that the FDIC is an insurance company that the banks have to buy into, the fees of which are either absorbed or passed onto the customers? Someone describe for the the functional difference between the FDIC being a for-profit corporation or it being a not-for-profit corporation underwritten and backed by the government in case something catastrophic and unforeseen happens.

Easy! One isn't the filthy socialist nanny state government meddling in affairs it shouldn't.

Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 02-23-2009 06:55:23 PM
It is much cheaper for the government to insure deposits because it cannot go broke. How do we know insurance company X won't go broke? Also how is insurance company X functionally different from FDIC except being more expensive and riskier? I wouldn't say that disclosures of private companies are exactly forthcoming, and public companies wouldn't have to disclose as much as they do now if it weren't for regulation.

At least admit these are purely ideological complaints rather than pragmatic

Btw 1% per year is an insanely high rate

Noxhil2 fucked around with this message on 02-23-2009 at 06:56 PM.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 02-23-2009 07:14:25 PM
The numbers were made up on the spot and you can fight amongst yourselves if you don't agree with them. Point is the concept.

Why should the government be in the business of insuring anything simply because they can't go broke? Why then don't all Floridians buy hurricane insurance from the Feds? Why doesn't the Fed do car insurance? Medical? Or to take the 'they can't go bankrupt' fallacy to an absurdity, run airlines because those might go broke as well.

Avoiding risk should cost something, and that cost made clear to the consumer. I'm required to have car insurance but the state doesn't pay for it. I know how much my insurance costs me and I behave accordingly. When you get FDIC coverage the cost is invisible. You don't know what that risk avoidance costs you. Instead because every bank pretty much has it, and you don't pay for it, you don't care what risks the bank takes. The government has your back after all. They can't go broke!

Note: I know that you pay for the FDIC costs in other ways. But it's hidden. Out of sight out of mind. Same way consumers pay corporate income taxes but don't care. It isn't a line item so it doesn't matter.

Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 02-23-2009 07:23:29 PM
Then put your money in a company that isn't fdic insured or put it in the stock market or whatever. No one is forcing you to take this insurance, but it's a good idea in principle and practice to me- don't force others to do without it.

Also fdic accounts generally do cost something. You look at the difference in return between a money market account and a savings account and you can see it. Obviously the main hidden cost is the holding/inflation cost but I agree there's no particular reason to delve into that.

Edit: I'd also like to add that to some degree the federal government does insure against those things too except the cost is implicit. In a large enough disaster (see Katrina) the federal government steps in to mitigate the cost to those people and the private insurers which obviously can't handle such a massive event.

We use the federal government as an insurer like that because it truly is too large to fail. Private companies simply can't handle the strain of something like a financial system failure or an entire city being destroyed. The government may also be ill equipped to handle it but it can do something.

Noxhil2 fucked around with this message on 02-23-2009 at 07:27 PM.

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 02-23-2009 08:54:09 PM
If the fire department was privatized, people would realize the true cost of having a fire department, and people could choose to either have a fire department or not have a fire department.

The reason fire departments are public is because when someone's house burns down it endangers more than just that person.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 02-24-2009 07:06:34 AM
quote:
Blindy. had this to say about Pirotess:
If the fire department was privatized, people would realize the true cost of having a fire department, and people could choose to either have a fire department or not have a fire department.

The reason fire departments are public is because when someone's house burns down it endangers more than just that person.


Here in Victoria, 80% of the CFA's funding is privately provided by insurance companies. It's good for their balance sheets in the long run.

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 02-24-2009 10:05:04 AM
Is house insurance not required in order to get a mortgage in Australia?

If it is, as I suspect it would be, then the only difference is that in one case you're paying for your fire department via your local taxes, while in the other case you're paying for your fire department via your house insurance premium.

But in all cases, everyone who has a house has fire protection thrust upon them- why?

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 02-24-2009 at 10:06 AM.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 02-24-2009 06:18:39 PM
You're using a strawman. Fire departments don't serve a profit driven sector. Banking is a purely profit driven sector.
Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 02-24-2009 08:04:04 PM
You're missing the point. The reason firefighting isn't profit driven is because a fire can hurt many people, more than just the random house or building it occurs in.

Now realize that financial meltdowns hurt more people than just those who caused or participated in them. Also realize that the modern financial system is so interconnected that you cannot completely isolate the failings of a single actor from others.

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