But still, prot sucks butt 
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Blindy. said:
Pitbull is the one, true unit frames.
I settled for agUF once I saw there was an alternate frame layout that didn't fail so hard at trying to look post-modern. Could be better, though, so I'll give that a go once I get home.
p.s.: I like protection just fine.
[3. Looking For Group]<Maradon> Need tank for shadow lab
<Some Rogue> I'll come
<Some Mage> invite
<Some DPS Shaman> I'll go but I get all murmur's loot
<Some Alliance> DOOL ME LOLOL UR SCRD
----Mote Farming Interlude----
[4. Guild]<Guildie Healer> I want to go to shadow lab.
[4. Guild]<Guildie DPS> Me too!
[4. Guild]<Guildie Healadin> Yeah shadow lab I need rep
[4. Guild]<Maradon> Shadow lab! FUCK YEAH!
[4. Guild]<Maradon> Any tanks?
----4 hours of mote farming later----
[4. Guild]<Maradon> Any tanks for shadow lab?
[3. Looking For Group]<Maradon> Any tanks for shadow lab?
----4 hours of mote farming later----
/quit Maradon! fucked around with this message on 05-30-2007 at 11:30 PM.
Holy Paladins are such good healers that this is the chief spec, with most of the rest speccing Retribution.
There are too many rogues, too many hunters, too many enhancement shamans, too many warlocks, too many mages, not enough priests.
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Maradon! thought about the meaning of life:
This is a true recounting of most of my time in wow these days:[3. Looking For Group]<Maradon> Need tank for shadow lab
<Some Rogue> I'll come
<Some Mage> invite
<Some DPS Shaman> I'll go but I get all murmur's loot
<Some Alliance> DOOL ME LOLOL UR SCRD----Mote Farming Interlude----
[4. Guild]<Guildie Healer> I want to go to shadow lab.
[4. Guild]<Guildie DPS> Me too!
[4. Guild]<Guildie Healadin> Yeah shadow lab I need rep
[4. Guild]<Maradon> Shadow lab! FUCK YEAH!
[4. Guild]<Maradon> Any tanks?----4 hours of mote farming later----
[4. Guild]<Maradon> Any tanks for shadow lab?
[3. Looking For Group]<Maradon> Any tanks for shadow lab?----4 hours of mote farming later----
/quit
I did this for three days straight. One group wiped 6 times on the ogre whose name I can't remember, one was a guild group and we owned it, and the third was this rare PUG that just blew threw the place like nothing. I believe each group took about 3 hours to form.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
And I LIKE tanking for pugs too, for some weirdo reason.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Mr. Parcelan who doth quote:
Unsurprising. Most of the Warriors quit after the expansion and ensuing patches. Most of the Druids flaked off after that, and there weren't many before that.Holy Paladins are such good healers that this is the chief spec, with most of the rest speccing Retribution.
There are too many rogues, too many hunters, too many enhancement shamans, too many warlocks, too many mages, not enough priests.
wowcensus disagrees with this claim. Of the 70's polled in the last 30 days, there have been more warriors than almost any other class.
The only real inexplicable class dearths are... druids, oddly enough.
So the tanks are out there, they just aren't tanking...
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Battying:
I've actually been considering re-installing and renew WoW lately. Anybody with a decent guild want to bribe me to their server and give me a class to play?
I would, but odds are very good that you'll just lose interest after a few weeks, because that's what usually happens when I take somebody under my wing and give them startup money and PL them
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Maradon! had this to say about John Romero:
I would, but odds are very good that you'll just lose interest after a few weeks, because that's what usually happens when I take somebody under my wing and give them startup money and PL them
Actually, 99% of the time I don't with a game. What usually happens is the subscription ends up on a day in the middle of the month SOMEHOW and then I can't pay the bill and stop. I can guarantee at least 1-2 months and getting to 60 in about 1-2 weeks max. 60-70 I dunno since I only went to 64 before my guild collapsed right after BC and I quit. Name a class and guarantee you'll talk to me and I'll be happy, could care less about PLing or money. Just want someone to talk to and an almost sure guarantee of a decent guild to be in eventually.
CBTao is in my guild, and I have 2 other friends waiting to get in, but as a rule you'll have to prove yourself by getting to 70 and giving at least a token effort to gear up before you can expect an invite.
The rest of the stuff I can easily promise you. Just "/join Porkslope" for my friend chat channel.
As indicated above, it would be awesome beyond awesome if you would level a tank. Pally, bear, or warrior, whatever. I actually suggest druid, since feral is not only their tanking spec but also their best leveling spec. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 05-31-2007 at 01:01 AM.
Tanks are easy enough to level for me, yeah. Druid/Paladin would both be equally easy and enjoyable for me since they're multi-purpose and can tank as well as heal, somewhat. Just for your information before the expansion my guild had done AQ40 fully and was working in Naxx. I was easily the best geared non-transfer Shaman on my server.
I'll see about installing and renewing when I get back to my house later tonight though. Feel free to toss me an IM at BatutiszK or some such as well. I'd probably consider Paladin despite the pain of levelling one as I don't really want to play a Tauren again.
In fact, 3 of our raid leaders are on vacation right now and it hasn't even put a hiccup into our schedule
The fact that Blood Elves make up 45% of the total server population is pretty Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 05-31-2007 at 01:52 AM.
too.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Dr. Gee booooze lime pole over bench lick:
There are 3x the number of Horde 1-70 than Alliance on Auchindoun where I'm playing right now. This number goes to 10x at 70. That's fucking nuts. Explains why there are so many Horde 70s wandering around ganking and corpse camping without any Alliance people to call in for help though.The fact that Blood Elves make up 45% of the total server population is pretty
too.
What the HELL is wrong with your server?
I can't find another server in the entire game like it...
There's GOT to be some kind of all-bloodelf SA Goon or penny arcade guild there. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 05-31-2007 at 02:36 AM.
Most of those 70 warriors you see are either in arena teams or exclusive guild tanks. Warriors willing to pug around? Not so numerous ;x
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Maradon! had this to say about Captain Planet:
What the HELL is wrong with your server?I can't find another server in the entire game like it...
There's GOT to be some kind of all-bloodelf SA Goon or penny arcade guild there.
Apparently a lot of the other Reccomended servers are like this though. Even our whole cluster seems fucked. Alliance is regularly outnumbered in every BG I've been in so far. There's also useually only one or two going per level bracket of each BG type.
There's a group of 5 of us playing together right now. We're all RL friends and we're all considering either starting somewhere new or paying the $25 to transfer to a server that's not as fucked.
So anyone playing Alliance on a PvP server where it's pretty close to a fifty-fifty split of players? Or Horde, but I think a couple of the guys have been playing horde since release and want a change of pace still. Frankly I'd be fine with a PvE server too since I'm so goddamn tired of PvPing in a game with stealth and crowd control, but the other guys like it :/ Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 05-31-2007 at 03:16 AM.
Rogues and Hunters made out like bandits with incredible abilities that are futher complimented by the great gear. The clothjockey classes all got real nice stuff, too. Druids possibly made out the greatest with their flight form, cyclone and talents. Shamans got pretty shafted and Warriors got boned hard.
Now, after patches, Warriors are about back to where they were. There's no real reason to play them when everyone else got cool stuff, a full slew of abilities and spanking talents.
They're still the only viable raid tank.
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Maradon! wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Parce, warriors really aren't all that bad.They're still the only viable raid tank.
I didn't say they were that bad. Warriors are once again a viable tank and they are, indeed, good to keep around. When compared to the other classes, though, they're pretty underwhelming.
It's always been a fact that DPS classes are more attractive than healing or tank classes, the abundance of Hunters and Rogues is testament to this. The issue is that the expansion brought out some seriously impressive offensive abilities for all classes except warriors.
Spell Reflection is pretty depressing against something like Cloak of Shadows. Victory Rush just seems like a cheap buff. Commanding Shout is nice, but not too much.
This isn't even comparing talents. Basically, to be a Warrior is a thankless, underwhelming task. To be a Protection Warrior is even moreso. They're viable, they're necessary for most raiding, but there's no real fun to it. When you get out of it, you're still useless soloing or PvP. Tanks sacrifice to be effective, DPS classes don't have to do dick.
Warriors are fine to play, but why bother when everyone else is cooler?
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Dr. Gee said:
Apparently a lot of the other Reccomended servers are like this though. Even our whole cluster seems fucked. Alliance is regularly outnumbered in every BG I've been in so far. There's also useually only one or two going per level bracket of each BG type.There's a group of 5 of us playing together right now. We're all RL friends and we're all considering either starting somewhere new or paying the $25 to transfer to a server that's not as fucked.
So anyone playing Alliance on a PvP server where it's pretty close to a fifty-fifty split of players? Or Horde, but I think a couple of the guys have been playing horde since release and want a change of pace still. Frankly I'd be fine with a PvE server too since I'm so goddamn tired of PvPing in a game with stealth and crowd control, but the other guys like it :/
Things are well balanced on Kel'thuzad. Alliance outnumbers horde, but it's a pretty slight difference. Taeldian fucked around with this message on 05-31-2007 at 06:14 AM.
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Mr. Parcelan impressed everyone with:
Stuff
Know what is really hilarious? The forums are overflowing with people screaming for warrior nerfs. They already ruined the fury tree twice (enrage and enrage+deathwish nerfs were freaking huge), what more do they want?
I am leveling up another warrior just to whore around the 49 BGs, where we are still pretty good.
Just like I like to whine about Shamans.
We're both semi-justified in said whining, because truth be told, both classes got the shortest end of the stick when the expansion came out. I just don't whine as loudly as he does.
Shamans got the rough end, but they still got interesting stuff out of the deal. My only grievance with Shamans is that they are next to useless in a group.
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Verily, Led doth proclaim:
I am leveling up another warrior just to whore around the 49 BGs, where we are still pretty good.
You know, I've always been curious about things like this. Like in DAOC, how people will never go past certain level ranges to fight in the battlegrounds, where they get less realm points, experience and all that. Then they'll stay there forever. At least it made some sense, since RPs did help out with levelling.
However, in WoW, I don't get it. Why the shit do people stick around 19, 29, 39 and 49 just to fight in lower level PVP areas? Do you get the same aount of Honor if you fight in a 49 area as opposed to getting to 70 then PVPing? Otherwise, why not level the rest of the way and get more honor?
Suffice to say it is a very level playing field.
I just do not have the time necessary to spend 8 hours a day, every day, in raid instances camping gear so I can become something less of a speedbump.
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Falaanla Marr impressed everyone with:
[QB]You know, I've always been curious about things like this. Like in DAOC, how people will never go past certain level ranges to fight in the battlegrounds, where they get less realm points, experience and all that. Then they'll stay there forever. At least it made some sense, since RPs did help out with levelling.[QB]
I remember, back in the days when I played DAOC there was no BG for 50s, you had the always packed 35 BG, the completely dead 45 BG and then wide scale pvp
Which generally consisted of my group of Midgardians getting killed by twice our number in JUST albion stealthers (Not exaggerating sadly, that happened once, one minute nothing, next an army just appeared out of thin air and everyone died)... so yeah, I got to 35 then played that BG to death, grouped with buffbots to get less RP just so I could stay there longer haha =D
I have so many fond memories of the 35 BG
I imagine by this point they've fixed it and it doesn't suck like it used to though, just for the sake of sanity. Made a 50 BG or did something to address the spectacular population imbalances on the wide scale pvp. Least, I damn well hope so O_o Vorago fucked around with this message on 05-31-2007 at 12:23 PM.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Led booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Know what is really hilarious? The forums are overflowing with people screaming for warrior nerfs. They already ruined the fury tree twice (enrage and enrage+deathwish nerfs were freaking huge), what more do they want?I am leveling up another warrior just to whore around the 49 BGs, where we are still pretty good.
If I learned anything from EverQuest, it's this: Do NOT take the forums seriously. EVER.
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Vorago stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
I remember, back in the days when I played DAOC there was no BG for 50s, you had the always packed 35 BG, the completely dead 45 BG and then wide scale pvpWhich generally consisted of my group of Midgardians getting killed by twice our number in JUST albion stealthers (Not exaggerating sadly, that happened once, one minute nothing, next an army just appeared out of thin air and everyone died)... so yeah, I got to 35 then played that BG to death, grouped with buffbots to get less RP just so I could stay there longer haha =D
I have so many fond memories of the 35 BG
I imagine by this point they've fixed it and it doesn't suck like it used to though, just for the sake of sanity. Made a 50 BG or did something to address the spectacular population imbalances on the wide scale pvp. Least, I damn well hope so O_o
Right now they've basically said Fuck It in Dark Ages. All they're doing is balancing realms and trying out some new shit while working on Warhammer.
There are commands to turn off both RPs and XP so you can basically just stay in a BG as long as you want. There's also no 50 BG, but there's one that goes from 45-49.9.
As I've been saying to friends and such recently, I'm just overjoyed that Mythic learned that being locked out of actually playing a game (crowd control, stuns, ect) and stealthers bring the overall enjoyment of a game to a standstill and are thus not putting them into Warhammer.
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So quoth Mr. Parcelan:
Warriors are fine to play, but why bother when everyone else is cooler?
You're pissing on my dreams here, man. The only other class I wanted to play besides a Warrior was a Shaman.
-H
Right now I'm enhancement, but whenever we do an instance I'm the healer so I've got a set of caster gear for that. Windfury totem makes you the friend of any person who does a lot of melee.
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Hellbendering:
You're pissing on my dreams here, man. The only other class I wanted to play besides a Warrior was a Shaman.-H
Parcelan is falling back on intangibles.
The fact is that warriors just aren't a fancy class. You don't play a warrior to be fancy. If you want to be fancy while being a perfectly serviceable tank, play a paladin.
If you want to hit things really hard and be hit by things really hard, you play a warrior.
Yeah, they're kinda plain compared to other classes, but some people like plain.
That said, I do agree that warriors should probably have some more fun shit. I would have liked to see more half hour abilities, maybe a better reason to stance dance in PVE and PVP and better rewards for being good at it.
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Maradon! got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Parcelan is falling back on intangibles.The fact is that warriors just aren't a fancy class. You don't play a warrior to be fancy. If you want to be fancy while being a perfectly serviceable tank, play a paladin.
If you want to hit things really hard and be hit by things really hard, you play a warrior.
Yeah, they're kinda plain compared to other classes, but some people like plain.
That said, I do agree that warriors should probably have some more fun shit. I would have liked to see more half hour abilities, maybe a better reason to stance dance in PVE and PVP and better rewards for being good at it.
So standeth the warrior, so standeth the raid.
When you see me, I will, most likely, not be attired formally. I will be encased in my steel. It will be dirty, bloody, and battered. I do not have a quick tongue or eloquent speech. I know nothing of the manners of the King's court, or the ettiquette of the formal ball.
I am known by many names. Tank. Meatshield. Fighter. Brawler. Corpse.
I am the Warrior.
I have not the capability, nor the inclination, to hide. I cannot strike from stealth with devastating blows, then fade into the darkness. I cannot incinerate a foe from twenty paces away. I cannot deal death from a distance, safe from the return attacks of my enemy. In order to kill, I must close with the enemy. I see his eyes. I smell his breath. I taste his fear. And he tastes mine.
I cannot bend Nature to do my bidding. I cannot tap into the Nether and force it to do what I command. I cannot study the arcane and master it to my control. I command nought but my mind, my body, and my will. It is by those, and those alone, that I stand or fall.
I have no friends on my journey. No walkers of the void, summoned from the Nether as servants and bodyguards. No loyal beasts of the plains or woods, to defend me and comfort me in my pain. My sole companion is my weapon. I must care for it better than any hunter has ever cared for his beast. I must master it more than any warlock has ever mastered his demon. Without me, it is useless. Without it, I am nothing.
I cannot heal. I cannot shield. I cannot call upon the gods and see my prayers answered. I call to the spirits of my ancestors in the heat of battle, and they are silent. My only ability to protect is to offer myself, my blood and bone and sinew, as a sacrifice. To draw the attacks of our foes. To take the blows that would kill a lesser being, and continue to fight on.
I cannot kill with the speed and grace of the rogue, the suddenness and shock of the hunter, or the flamboyance and power of the mage. When I kill, it is a slow business. Slow and bloody for all concerned, myself included. I fight on, pummeled and battered so that my companions may receive the glory of the kill and the wreaths of victory. If I die and they yet live, it is an expected sacrifice.
I come in all races, all sizes. I fight under a thousand flags, on a million battlefields. I am dismissed by the highborn, scorned by the noble, lectured by the priest, and forgotten by the peasant. Until the time when the trumpets of battle sound, and those who would destroy them come forth. And then the cry goes up..."Where, oh where, is the Warrior?"
Pray to your gods that I continue to answer that call.
Few do answer the call. Fewer still survive. It is a long and hard road, this way of the Warrior. Along it lie pain, and fear, and death. Scant rewards and scanter gratitude. At the end, for most, is an anonymous grave on some windblown battlefield. If they are lucky.
And yet, I fight on. I do not even know why. Perhaps for glory, perhaps for fame, perhaps for money, perhaps for my country, perhaps for my family. Perhaps it is simply all I know how to do. But fight I will. Whether you appreciate it or not. Whether you even notice it or not. I will be out there, on the battle lines. Fighting. Killing. Dying.
I am the Warrior.
Death is my business.
Be it yours...or mine.
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Hellbender's fortune cookie read:
You're pissing on my dreams here, man. The only other class I wanted to play besides a Warrior was a Shaman.-H
Warriors are fun to play if you have good support. If you're being backed up by a pro paladin or priest, you will absolutely destroy everything.
If you don't have any support, though, you generally won't have a whole lot of fun.
I played a warrior as both a main tank and a pvp warrior, and I definitely understand where Parce is coming from; however, warriors are a very strong class that's mostly necessary in PvE and absolutely necessary in high-end PvP.
The way my arena team's warrior domolishes everyone and everything in PvP is a sight to behold.
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Mr. Gainsborough enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
tell me that was copy pasta and that you're not really that retarded
Copy paste from stuff that is going around the warrior forums lately. We keep getting kicked when we are down, so we have to boost morale somehow
And I think it is awesome.
