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Greenlit
posted 03-07-2007 10:18:44 PM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about Cuba:
That's the worst spec ever Mighteon. Ever.

A blind monkey hurled handfuls of his own shit at a mouse until it managed 61 clicks.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 03-07-2007 10:19:51 PM
quote:
Mightion Defensor said this about your mom:
Prove it.

It's Mightion.

Case closed.

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-07-2007 10:21:05 PM
quote:
It has been ordained by Primus, that there will be a Chosen One who will use the Matrix to "light our darkest hour." That darkest hour may come sooner if Naimah keeps posting things like this:
That's the worst spec ever Mighteon. Ever.

You're judging it when all you know is:

1. I have improved CS
2. I have water elemental
3. I don't have frostbite?

Enlighten me, if you'd be so kind.

Batty
Doesn't Like You. Specifically you.
posted 03-07-2007 10:23:04 PM
quote:
Verily, Mightion Defensor doth proclaim:
You're judging it when all you know is:

1. I have improved CS
2. I have water elemental
3. I don't have frostbite?

Enlighten me, if you'd be so kind.


Little thing called the armory.

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-07-2007 10:27:24 PM
While I happen to enjoy (and am used to playing with) my current spec, please, advise me how my spec should be changed to meet with your approval, no matter how etherial and transient it would undoubtedly prove to be.
Blackened
posted 03-07-2007 10:43:42 PM
quote:
Mightion Defensor.
While I happen to enjoy (and am used to playing with) my current spec, please, advise me how my spec should be changed to meet with your approval, no matter how etherial and transient it would undoubtedly prove to be.
I predicted this post roughly one hour ago, to Sean, after we openly mocked your spec.

Not only are you a loser, you're boring at it.


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 03-07-2007 10:49:52 PM
Magic Attunement is terrible. Magic Absorbtion is better.

Arcane impact is ok, but not really worth the points. Max out absorbtion.

Why do you have one point in Imp. CoC? Put three or don't bother. Why don't you have frost bite when you have shatter?

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-07-2007 10:50:24 PM
quote:
Blackened wrote their words upon the rocks;
I predicted this post roughly one hour ago, to Sean, after we openly mocked your spec.

Not only are you a loser, you're boring at it.


Ask me if I thought anyone would actually give constructive advice.

You're just as predictable as I am, Mr. Cool Guy.

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-07-2007 10:56:40 PM
quote:
Naimah wrote their words upon the rocks;
Magic Attunement is terrible. Magic Absorbtion is better.

Arcane impact is ok, but not really worth the points. Max out absorbtion.

Why do you have one point in Imp. CoC? Put three or don't bother. Why don't you have frost bite when you have shatter?


Yeah, my frost tree is a bit of a mess. That one point in CoC was put in back in pc BC when I had a spare point and wanted a bit more damage from it in PvP.

As for attunement, I may switch that out, but Amplify magic actually came in handy in AQ20... I'd cast it on everyone in the raid, and they'd get bonus healing from Andorov, making his aura heal for 425.

Greenlit
posted 03-07-2007 11:23:35 PM

I went a little John Madden on it. It should be easy enough to decipher, but I'll make it a little clearer;

You need Frostbite.

You do not need so much Permafrost.

You need 5/5 Shatter.

You need either 0/3 or 3/3 Imp CoC.

Given your mana pool, you may not need Frost Channeling.

I forgot to note it, but you do not need Elemental Precision.

Several of your gear choices are misguided. Being a monstrous gold farmer in Enchanting, Herbalism, and raiding with SoK, you should have ample opportunity to replace or enhance those pieces of shit.

Mana/5 is worthless. Especially without Arcane Meditation. If you want to regenerate mana in combat, you go big or you go home. As a Frost spec you barely need to worry about it in the first place.

For the love of god, replace the enchant on your Summoner's. It may look omgevilcool to you, but it makes you look retarded.

That ring sucks. Get rid of it. There were plenty quest rewards and instance drops on the way to 70 to replace it with awesome blues.

The leggings blow. If you want an easy recommendation, go get the Warlock dungeon set legs. Mad stamina and +damage.

Robe sucks too. Put some effort into a replacement.

Mr. Gainsborough
posted 03-07-2007 11:31:40 PM
I too have something to add.

This information is relevant to your interests.

Greenlit
posted 03-07-2007 11:34:59 PM
quote:
Verily, Mr. Gainsborough doth proclaim:

And in addendum; stop compensating for your lack of real penetration with WoW penetration. In item budget it costs a fistful of dollars, in practice it's worth less than a two copper whore.

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-07-2007 11:35:14 PM
Okay, that's more like it.

Yeah, a lot of what you say about my trees makes sense. You're right, it does look.... misguided. Will respec tonight, prolly.

As for mana/5, first few times we tried BM, I kept running out of mana. Of course, we were killing too slowly, so I thought more mana/5 couldn't hurt. (We did, subsequently succeed in BM, fyi, though not with the same group)

Heh... the enchant on the sword was kind a joke. I do have the recipe for Major Spellpower (+40 spell damage to weapon) in the bank (I got lucky farming it), just waiting for me to get 12 more enchanting points.

Only other robes I have in the bank are the Kirin Tor appentice robes, and the level 60 purple PvP robe. Gonna be instance time soon.

EDIT: Penetration is worthless?

Mightion Defensor fucked around with this message on 03-07-2007 at 11:39 PM.

Greenlit
posted 03-07-2007 11:42:33 PM
quote:
Mightion Defensor got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
As for mana/5, first few times we tried BM, I kept running out of mana. Of course, we were killing too slowly, so I thought more mana/5 couldn't hurt. (We did, subsequently succeed in BM, fyi, though not with the same group)

Black Morass? Congratulations.

You can drink between portals. You can evocate, you can use a conjured gem, you can potion.. You can drop your beacon on Medivh, invis to drop out of combat, and fucking drink; mana is not a problem for a mage. You did know that Invis drops you out of combat, right.

quote:
Mightion Defensor got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Heh... the enchant on the sword was kind a joke. I do have the recipe for Major Spellpower (+40 spell damage to weapon) in the bank (I got lucky farming it), just waiting for me to get 12 more enchanting points.

Put anything beneficial on there. By making such a bad joke you, in turn, become the joke.

quote:
Mightion Defensor got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Only other robes I have in the bank are the Kirin Tor appentice robes, and the level 60 purple PvP robe. Gonna be instance time soon.

Here are several that I would use over that Aldor piece of shit.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 03-07-2007 11:45:22 PM
quote:
Mightion Defensor stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Okay, that's more like it.

Yeah, a lot of what you say about my trees makes sense. You're right, it does look.... misguided. Will respec tonight, prolly.

As for mana/5, first few times we tried BM, I kept running out of mana. Of course, we were killing too slowly, so I thought more mana/5 couldn't hurt. (We did, subsequently succeed in BM, fyi, though not with the same group)

Heh... the enchant on the sword was kind a joke. I do have the recipe for Major Spellpower (+40 spell damage to weapon) in the bank (I got lucky farming it), just waiting for me to get 12 more enchanting points.

Only other robes I have in the bank are the Kirin Tor appentice robes, and the level 60 purple PvP robe. Gonna be instance time soon.

EDIT: Penetration is worthless?


Spell penetration can't create a vulnerability that doesn't already exist and you generally need a fuckton of it for it to be worth anything against mobs that do have resistance.

Edit: Shadowcast Tunic has to be one of the best quest rewards I've ever seen.

Damnati fucked around with this message on 03-07-2007 at 11:54 PM.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Mr. Gainsborough
posted 03-07-2007 11:47:42 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Mightion Defensor:
EDIT: Penetration is worthless?

well

Greenlit
posted 03-07-2007 11:50:55 PM
Penetration was a red herring. It was thrown out on a lot of gear on the same patch that removed its only actual use, which is dropping resists below 0. +Hit is better in a PVE environment, Sta/Damage/Crit is infinitely better in PVP.

It just has no place anywhere.

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-07-2007 11:56:25 PM
How's this?

I hope it doesn't hit my mana pool too hard - I kinda liked being able to kill 3-4 mobs (when soloing) without having to drink. We'll see.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 03-08-2007 12:01:28 AM
quote:
Mightion Defensor obviously shouldn't have said:
How's this?

I hope it doesn't hit my mana pool too hard - I kinda liked being able to kill 3-4 mobs (when soloing) without having to drink. We'll see.


Why do you not have Winter's Chill in that?

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Mightion Defensor
posted 03-08-2007 12:06:50 AM
quote:
Damnati fell asleep and read just about every paragraph.
Why do you not have Winter's Chill in that?

Because I used Winter's Chill for a few months and honestly didn't see it's benefit - I didn't notice a difference in crit rate whether it was stacked on a mob five times or zero.

Greenlit
posted 03-08-2007 12:14:41 AM
One out of Blizzard to fill in Channeling would work well.

Winter's Chill is worthless solo PVE and PVP. If you're raiding and no other frost mage has it, then it might be beneficial to pick it up, but that's the only time.

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 03-08-2007 12:26:29 AM
omg there is no Blood Elf option.

i can not put my characters in.

woe.

Blackened
posted 03-08-2007 01:16:51 AM
quote:
Mightion Defensor.
Ask me if I thought anyone would actually give constructive advice.

You're just as predictable as I am, Mr. Cool Guy.


I don't play a Mage, else I might have given you some condescending advice to go along with my mockery.

Show me a level 70 Priest you play and I'll be glad to remind you how much you fail.


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Dave
)_(
posted 03-08-2007 01:35:36 AM
Winters chill is a waste of points IMO.

There was a frost nova nerf in the last patch. I'm not sure if I'll go arcane/fire yet.

This is what I use.

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 03-08-2007 03:31:42 AM
Deep Fire is the only way to live. That said, I do respec frost sometimes for various reasons, and I go with something similar to the 10/0/51 setup Dave has. The tree just has too much awesome stuff in it to go 17/0/44 since I very rarely take advantage of ICS.
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 03-08-2007 03:34:21 AM
Deep fire is only really good for the Dragons Breath "oh shit" button. In general you can get more out of the middle to deep arcane talents.
Taeldian
Pancake
posted 03-08-2007 03:37:37 AM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about Tron:
Deep fire is only really good for the Dragons Breath "oh shit" button. In general you can get more out of the middle to deep arcane talents.

Deep Fire is also really good for DPS. Your Fireballs hit significantly harder than a 33/28 setup and only crit for slightly less. Dragon's Breath is a great AoE tool in addition to being total hax in PvP. In certain (crit heavy) gear setups you can get more damage out of a more arcane oriented spec, but unless you're stacking crit you'll get more out of deep fire.

Greenlit
posted 03-08-2007 03:38:15 AM
Deep Fire is rather sexy, I agree. I keep ICS around for the occasional PVP fight and instance pulling; I hate waiting on PuG tards to get their shit together and figure out how to pull, so I often end up tagging shit and dropping it around their ears with a well-placed nova.

And I keep PoM because that instant fuck-you Pyroblast makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I've gone the deep arcane/shallow fire quite a few times - hell, I respec almost weekly to try new things - and I just keep coming back to the consistency of deeper fire. Maybe when - and if - Ignite ever gets fixed I'll go back to a more crit-oriented build, but right now it just isn't worth it.

Greenlit fucked around with this message on 03-08-2007 at 03:40 AM.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 03-08-2007 03:47:56 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Taeldian said this:
Deep Fire is also really good for DPS. Your Fireballs hit significantly harder than a 33/28 setup and only crit for slightly less. Dragon's Breath is a great AoE tool in addition to being total hax in PvP. In certain (crit heavy) gear setups you can get more damage out of a more arcane oriented spec, but unless you're stacking crit you'll get more out of deep fire.

Yea, but with 33/28 you're going to be pushing 30% crit assuming you're geared correctly and the stacking of Spell Power and Ignite is just massive and will start to out pace the last two points of Firepower and Imp. Fireball rather quickly.

Granted having that much crit makes not ripping agro a royal pain in the ass, but so goes absolutely massive damage potential.

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 03-08-2007 03:49:58 AM
It's also worth noting that the DPS differences between 33/28 are barely worth mentioning. It's something like a 4 DPS difference either way, and at a certain point it just becomes a matter of preference. I've tried Arcane/Fire several times, and not only do I not have fun with it, my gear just isn't set up for it.
Taeldian
Pancake
posted 03-08-2007 03:52:50 AM
quote:
Naimah said this about your mom:
Yea, but with 33/28 you're going to be pushing 30% crit assuming you're geared correctly and the stacking of Spell Power and Ignite is just massive and will start to out pace the last two points of Firepower and Imp. Fireball rather quickly.

Granted having that much crit makes not ripping agro a royal pain in the ass, but so goes absolutely massive damage potential.


If you've got that high of a crit rate before talents/buffs, then yeah you'll get more out of 33/28. If you're stacking more +damage, though, Deep Fire has the advantage.

Of course, adding a Lightning Capacitor into the mix can change things around fairly quickly.

Greenlit
posted 03-08-2007 03:53:34 AM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Yea, but with 33/28 you're going to be pushing 30% crit assuming you're geared correctly and the stacking of Spell Power and Ignite is just massive and will start to out pace the last two points of Firepower and Imp. Fireball rather quickly.

And then your Ignite fails to stack and your damage begins to disappear, leaving you pissing against the wind that is Shadow Priests and every other class that can DPS now. But at least we've got Polymorph.

Yuri
posted 03-08-2007 09:11:46 AM
I love deep fire personally. I have heard deep arc is better for raiding but I personally haven't seen it. There are a few deep arcane mages and I always outdamage them on all kara fights and Doom/Kazz/Gruul.
Ryuujin
posted 03-08-2007 10:40:15 AM
I've been considering picking up Blazing Speed on my mage. Would you say that it's worth it?
Taeldian
Pancake
posted 03-08-2007 10:57:31 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Ryuujin said:
I've been considering picking up Blazing Speed on my mage. Would you say that it's worth it?

Absolutely.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 03-08-2007 11:58:02 AM
Mightion -- don't wait until you have the 12 points to get +40 spell damage on that sword. I highly doubt one of SOK's enchanters doesn't have it. And, if that's the case, I'm pretty sure we've got someone in BPoV with it, I can hook you up.

Don't waste cash on another enchant.

Greenlit
posted 03-08-2007 02:07:30 PM
quote:
From the book of Ryuujin, chapter 3, verse 16:
I've been considering picking up Blazing Speed on my mage. Would you say that it's worth it?

If you're down there and have the points, there's no reason not to. It's a fun ability to have.

Taylen
Pancake
posted 03-09-2007 09:57:55 PM
Could I get some advice on my mage as long as we are here?

Gwendle

"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
Sadomasochism: It's Fun!
Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Taeldian
Pancake
posted 03-10-2007 04:44:59 AM
quote:
Taylen had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Could I get some advice on my mage as long as we are here?

Gwendle


Drop Improved Blizzard and Frost Warding.

Pick up some combination of Frost Channeling and Elemental Precision.

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