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Peanut butter ass Shaq Naimah booooze lime pole over bench lick:
If by maintain you mean completly dismantal then you are correct.
As a matter of pure scale, if twelve people dick around in a 40 man there are relatively few repercussions. If six people dick around in a 20 man raid, you simply won't be able to progress.
All the 20 man raids in the game currently are geared to be easier than all the 40 man raids in the game, but lower population raids by their very nature have the potential to be much, MUCH more challenging for individual participants than a 40 man raid could ever be.
In short, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-13-2006 at 12:49 PM.
Some of these "conversations" are something I used to see on Blizzard's general forum. All we need are more l2ps and "Blizzard is fucking us again!" Blackened fucked around with this message on 08-13-2006 at 12:53 PM.
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Delphi Aegising:
Everything I've seen about the expansion has been taking the game in a direction I don't think it should really go, imo. I might still play, but without a real review of warriors or warlocks, I don't see how I can enjoy my time.
Get over it. Warriors and warlocks are both balanced fine, they're just balanced into somewhat disappointing roles. When the expansion comes out, "reviews" will be completely irrelevant anyway since EVERY class will be getting a whole slew of entirely new abilities.
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This one time, at Anakha camp:
And now you realize that that buff will be the new paladin job in raids? Yay, i get to protect the casters! woot Woot! Its so great since they give me all this SPELL DAMAGE GEAR!
And now you realize that this debuff will be the new warrior job in raids? Yay, i get to protect the casters and rogues! woot Woot! Its so great since they give me all this STR, CRIT, AND HIT GEAR!
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Falaanla Marr thought about the meaning of life:
Yeah, those damn high-end/elite guilds. Just because the percentage of them isn't as high (it is higher than you think), they don't deserve to have fun in 40-man dungeons, something Blizzard led them to believe would keep coming out.Creating 25-man content that is just as difficult as current 40-man content will NOT allow "the masses" easier access to epic items. Instead of high end elite guilds geared around 40-man instances, high-end elite guilds centered around 25-man instances will form.
Those not in the high-end guilds will always progress slower for varying reasons. Be it the lack of a consistent xx member base, a lack of drive to push through the instances or the lack of desire to spend hundreds of gold in repairs/consumables, they will advance slower.
High end content will always require a time committment. Blizzard isn't really catering to the non high-end player base with this change -- said non high-end players are generally non high-end because they don't want to spend 3-5 hours a day 3-5 days a week raiding, not because they lack numbers.
Scarlet Monastery is the type of dungeon blizzard needs to design more of. Instead of having one massive dungeon with trash respawns, have the dungeon broken up into multiple smaller chunks. Then have a, say, 25 person cap on each of those parts. If they did that, those with less time could take out a chunk in an hour or so while those with more time could take out all four areas with their extra time.
It's not about the loot, it's about giving everyone a better chance at experiencing the content. 40 man raid dudes have done the 5, 10, and 20 man stuff along with the 40 man raid content (at some point). Those who don't have the time for 40 man raids, the patience for 40 man raids, or those who just hate 40 man raids miss out on that content.
With these changes in direction with high end content, more people are going to see more of the game.
And I wouldn't be suprised if Blizzard doesn't go back to the original game and add higher level versions of MC, Zul'Gurub, AQ20 and 40, BWL, and Naxx that require less people to do.
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"In the same sense, we're going to pushing the Shaman toward a more DPS and healing hybrid. We're going to make sure that we focus on their ability to do DPS and perform their healing duties. I think that these kind of crossovers are very important in the sense that, in the expansion, I think that in some ways, we need more of these classes that are hybridized to become true hybrids," Chilton says.
Sounds pretty cool. Vinven D`Slyfox fucked around with this message on 08-13-2006 at 03:44 PM.
quote:Looks like a worthless no-content post. Next time why don't you just not post at all and save me the miliseconds of having to read your horrible three-word posts? Or do you feel like contributing something beyond "
Vinven D`Slyfox.
Sounds pretty cool.
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We were all impressed when Blackened wrote:
Looks like a worthless no-content post. Next time why don't you just not post at all and save me the miliseconds of having to read your horrible three-word posts? Or do you feel like contributing something beyond "" now?
tldr
I LIKE U!!!1111
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Nina had this to say about Punky Brewster:
LOOLOLOLOLOL YOU'RE SO FUNNY VINVENI LIKE U!!!1111
I care, really I do.
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Vinven D`Slyfox had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I care, really I do.
Your trolling has gone uneliciting of laughter.
From now on, stay in the cesspools of your own threads and stop trying to shit up everyone else's.
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There was much rejoicing when Mr. Parcelan said this:
Your trolling has gone uneliciting of laughter.From now on, stay in the cesspools of your own threads and stop trying to shit up everyone else's.
Meh, I was merely stating my anticipation regarding the shaman changes. All other posts in the thread were reactions that I felt appropriate based on the replies. You present no valid argument that my intent was otherwise.
If it were prefered that I would keep all of my posts detailed and well presented, then I shall take note of it and consider it for the future. Thank you.
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How.... Vinven D`Slyfox.... uughhhhhh:
Meh, I was merely stating my anticipation regarding the shaman changes. All other posts in the thread were reactions that I felt appropriate based on the replies. You present no valid argument that my intent was otherwise.If it were prefered that I would keep all of my posts detailed and well presented, then I shall take note of it and consider it for the future. Thank you.
The issue here is that you're an accelerant. You're such an offensive creature that people cannot help themselves when you come in and start spouting your idiocy. You also automatically assume that everyone else is at fault, thus accelerating things to an unacceptable level.
Thus, to boil it down to a simple equation: Good Thread + Vinven = Bad Thread. You keep ruining things by your mere presence.
Your posts do not need to be well-detailed, they need to be gone. Stick to your own threads and stop trying to ruin others'.
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From the book of Mr. Parcelan, chapter 3, verse 16:
The issue here is that you're an accelerant. You're such an offensive creature that people cannot help themselves when you come in and start spouting your idiocy. You also automatically assume that everyone else is at fault, thus accelerating things to an unacceptable level.Thus, to boil it down to a simple equation: Good Thread + Vinven = Bad Thread. You keep ruining things by your mere presence.
Your posts do not need to be well-detailed, they need to be gone. Stick to your own threads and stop trying to ruin others'.
Basically, you want me to admit fault, yet say that it would not matter what I had typed. So, let me sum this up for you. Too bad. 
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Currently, Blizzard plans to use the scaled-down raid-party size and the multiple difficulty settings only for Burning Crusade's dungeons, though the team is considering the possibility of adding these features to some of the dungeon areas in the original game at some point in the future.
From Gamespot's article. If this is correct, then 40-mans will still exist in the old-world dungeons, for the time being.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Bajah who doth quote:
From Gamespot's article. If this is correct, then 40-mans will still exist in the old-world dungeons, for the time being.
When people are starting to push level 70, even naxx won't require 40 people.
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Vinven D`Slyfox had this to say about Captain Planet:
Basically, you want me to admit fault, yet say that it would not matter what I had typed. So, let me sum this up for you. Too bad.
So sad.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Duck Tales:
So sad.
I state again. Too bad. If you want me out of here, you will have to permanently IP ban me. I have yet to see me do a direct violaton of the rules. Fox fucked around with this message on 08-18-2006 at 04:11 AM.
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Fox Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I state again. Too bad. If you want me out of here, you will have to permanently IP ban me. I have yet to see me do a direct violaton of the rules.
Mod sass, plus the unspoken rule of this community having a staggeringly low tolerance for creepy weirdos like you (no offense gains).
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Mr. Parcelan said:
Mod sass, plus the unspoken rule of this community having a staggeringly low tolerance for creepy weirdos like you (no offense gains).
Been wonder why it has been takeing so long to baninate him
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Fox had this to say about John Romero:
I state again. Too bad. If you want me out of here, you will have to permanently IP ban me. I have yet to see me do a direct violaton of the rules.
You suck at being a dickhead.
Me = the best at it though im a bit rusty now 
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There was much rejoicing when Maradon! said this:
When people are starting to push level 70, even naxx won't require 40 people.
Speaking of Naxx, has anyone been able to get to Kel'Thuzad yet?
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Lechium booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Speaking of Naxx, has anyone been able to get to Kel'Thuzad yet?
One chinese guild has killed Sapphiron, nobody has killed Kel'thuzad.
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How.... Maradon!.... uughhhhhh:
One chinese guild has killed Sapphiron, nobody has killed Kel'thuzad.
The lone sapp kill was from an exploit though. Aside from that no one has yet to down the Four Horsemen
The horsemen are... beyond insanity
I get this feeling once people finally manage to pass the horsemen sapp and Kul'Thuzad are going to be cakewalk candyasses in comparison, heh Vorago fucked around with this message on 08-18-2006 at 12:38 PM.
I remember doing Anub'rekhan and thinking "there is no way this fight will be beaten until people are level 70" but now we beat him without wiping most of the time.
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Maradon! had this to say about pies:
All the naxx fights seem inconceivably hard at first, but then you figure out the trick and it's basically any other fight except with zero room for error; everybody needs to be on their toes constantly.I remember doing Anub'rekhan and thinking "there is no way this fight will be beaten until people are level 70" but now we beat him without wiping most of the time.
Oh, I agree, but the horsemen in particular are worse than everything else
Each one is a high ass hp melee that has a 60 yard'ish stacking aoe that cannot be resisted (Each one has a seperate aoe debuff, like flame buffet), so you have to put each horseman in a corner and then the entire raid splits into a ton of smaller parts (Most plans involve six groups, one in each corner and two groups opposite each other moving clockwise). Even the tanks must rotate as the damage the debuffs do becomes rapidly fatal to anyone, something like every 45sec every tank must switch over to the next horsemen. They also do quad shield walls... not sure why, guess Blizzard felt like throwing some more fun in. According to spell data the one with ashbringer there also has some sort of animate dead ability
So the entire raid is constantly swinging from horseman to horseman while dpsing and healing on the move while all four tanks constantly switch who they are tanking, for the entire fight
Logistically it is a freaking nightmare, heh. I imagine eventually a guild WILL down them but their fight is absolutely horrendous and is the worldwide roadblock atm, heh, for good reason
Teg found a neat animated GIF that demonstrates the moving pattern, but don't know where it is to link it Vorago fucked around with this message on 08-18-2006 at 12:46 PM.
Doable thogh, just each individual person needs to know exactly what they're supposed to do and when without being told.
Like twin emps x4 Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-18-2006 at 12:52 PM.
Additionally, each horsemen has their own ability. Ashbringer has a Ragnaros type melee proc (frontloaded fire damage + dot), the lady has some sort of poison cloud AE IIRC, Zelik has a venoxis style chain lightning attack, and the dwarf has a high damage meteor that works like the one in AQ40.
And each horseman shield walls for 20 seconds when they hit 50%, so that you can't rush kill one horseman to make the fight easier.
Happy happy raid rotation gif for the horsemen
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Delphi Aegis's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
the insta-gib meteor. *snip* blammo.
gib-lets.
There are times I'm glad my guild managed to mostly self-destruct. I'm sure I'd be going postal over that encounter.
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Vorago likes the cock and also said this;Happy happy raid rotation gif for the horsemen
I'm confused just looking at this.
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Vorago had this to say about Cuba:Happy happy raid rotation gif for the horsemen
You can do anything...
only at ZOMBO.COM
Guilds that have the rotation down, the killing order, the movement, are all wiping because of the lady's (forgot her name =/ ) void holes that don't appear on your screen, but spawn beneath you anyways dealing 3k damage a second to you. Or taunt resists, or instagibbing to meteor for no reason. The fight is broken, and it's not. Guilds who have sped through every other boss in Naxx have hit a roadblock on the 4 horse.
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Flea's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
The fight is gay in the regard of taunts. Basically it forces all your tanks to be in 4 piece dreadnaught for the encounter to even work. Otherwise your taunt resists will be through the roof and one missed taunt, and it's a wipe. Even with the 4 piece, you still have a 5% chance or so for your taunt to be resisted.Guilds that have the rotation down, the killing order, the movement, are all wiping because of the lady's (forgot her name =/ ) void holes that don't appear on your screen, but spawn beneath you anyways dealing 3k damage a second to you. Or taunt resists, or instagibbing to meteor for no reason. The fight is broken, and it's not. Guilds who have sped through every other boss in Naxx have hit a roadblock on the 4 horse.
learn2play
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Delphi Aegis booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Yep, pretty much any strategy for the horsemen goes to pot when you figure zane into it with the insta-gib meteor. Gotta have at least 10-15 people around him at all times or blammo.
Ah, but totems, pets, target dummies, and even ambient pets like snakes and shit all help divide meteor damage.
hmmm, hmm indeed.
