I know I'm excitedly awaiting it's arrival (Q1 of 2006, supposedly March), at least to assess how well it captures the pen and paper, tabletop spirit. Haven't yet found any DnD groups here in Corpus Christi since I moved, so it's wonderful getting back to my roleplay roots, one way or another.

Eberron is the campaign setting, and despite the drawbacks of their racial negatives, I'll probably be playing a Warforged Paladin upon release. Who's with me?

If there is some kind of unofficial DDO thread that's buried, link me to that.

Edit Note: Forgot to include a link for convenience.

http://www.ddo.com/index.php

Ian Benjamin fucked around with this message on 12-10-2005 at 10:10 PM.

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Suddar was listening to Cher while typing:
I heard it was pretty blah, but I haven't heard any details as to why. Just that clerics are uber. I'm kind of interested as to why it sucks, actually, so if anybody has any other information they should post it.

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Well, I know some people from the forums are either complaining about over-use of instancing the world outside the main city of Stormreach, or the heavy focus on group cooperation since the game isn't very soloer-friendly. Aside from that, looks solid for what it is.

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Mr. Parcelan obviously shouldn't have said:
It's a useless endeavor. All MMOGs will fall before WoW until it finally gutters out.

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'Do not let Blizzard scare you with their wild punishment in prisons, hanging and shooting. We must not and will not betray the splendid fighters of Roleplay. Gamers, up to fight.'

'Woe unto those who will be in the way of progress. Let solidarity live!'

"Book of Dev" contains a lot of info on what's implemented so far.
http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7728

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Nae had this to say about Pirotess:
I can't say anything.

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Neither can I

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We were all impressed when Mike the Butcher wrote:
Neither can I

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Not even so much as your thoughts on what race/class combo either of you might play? Even idle musing is cool by me.

Like how pretty the graphics are, and how fun it is to play a human rogue.

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Nae thought about the meaning of life:
Hypothetically speaking, if I had been in the alpha and/or beta for this game.. and my video card didn't get so hot that the game locked up on me constantly, I would have something to talk about.

Like how pretty the graphics are, and how fun it is to play a human rogue.

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Sorry to hear that Nae. I know how you feel though. My comp that I was running WoW on just gave out on me the Saturday before Thanksgiving. First time I've ever had a processor smoke. It's been tough having only this pentium 1 (yes, you heard right) to chat/post. Gonna have a buddy of mine build a 3800+ athlon dual-core for about $800-ish.

We need a fundraiser for your comp so you can play that rogue with me.

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Ian Benjamin attempted to be funny by writing:
Sorry to hear that Nae. I know how you feel though. My comp that I was running WoW on just gave out on me the Saturday before Thanksgiving. First time I've ever had a processor smoke. It's been tough having only this pentium 1 (yes, you heard right) to chat/post. Gonna have a buddy of mine build a 3800+ athlon dual-core for about $800-ish.

We need a fundraiser for your comp so you can play that rogue with me.

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I have a nearly brand new computer with an ATI Radeon x850 card. For some reason it just doesn't like one certain game.

I can play WoW no problem.

I post on the DDO forums semi-regularly. I was there from the first day the website and forums went up. I was there the first day they posted the news item on Turbine's page that it was being developed.

Now I need to hunt down a winning code in a PCGamer that will let me in Beta.

Katrinity fucked around with this message on 12-11-2005 at 11:33 AM.

DDO almost exclusively forces grouping. If you like soloing, DDO is not for you.

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Nae had this to say about Tron:
I have a nearly brand new computer with an ATI Radeon x850 card. For some reason it just doesn't like one certain game.

I can play WoW no problem.

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I'm confuzzled. Isn't a x850 card supposed to be ATI's equivalent to the 6800? I was gonna get a 6600 to save a little cash, but now I'm concerned as to what I need for DDO.

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Densetsu wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
If you are expecting a revolutionary MMORPG experience, you won't find it in DDO. If you are expecting a faithful translation of D&D tabletop to an MMO, you won't find it in DDO. If you are looking for an online game where you can play with a group of friends, you may find something to like with DDO.

DDO almost exclusively forces grouping. If you like soloing, DDO is not for you.

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I expect them to not whore themselves to cater to fans. They seem to have strong convictions, and a desire to avoid devolving into what most MMO's become.

I expect as close a translation as can be made from two completely different mediums, while making it actually fun to play. They made it RT istead of turn-based. I can live with that.

I expected it to be group-based, as I never had solo-sessions of D&D.

I knew what to expect, but you seem unhappy with the result. If you'd like to discuss it further, send a PM.

And why would I send you a PM to discuss it? Isn't that what this thread is for? Discussing DDO?

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Khyron's fortune cookie read:
Kat : I have zero interest in DDO, so come monday, I could give you my 1-week subscription for my being a fileplanet member, if you wish.

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Same for me, if anyone wants it. I don't really have time to get into another game.

Gunslinger Moogle fucked around with this message on 12-11-2005 at 07:24 PM.

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Densetsu wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
At the moment, Warforged have all of the racial penalties, such as the lessened healing, with none of the boons of being a Warforged, such as their many immunities. I hope Turbine wizens up before release.

And why would I send you a PM to discuss it? Isn't that what this thread is for? Discussing DDO?

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Xundau - Beta Manager of DDO writes: "They're good, but not that good -- otherwise, everyone would be playing them. As Nem pointed out, being immune to poison, paralysis, and enegry drain is really, really nice. 25% resistance to crits and sneak attacks is pretty good too. Finally, being able to get the equivalent of Full Plate, plus DR 2/adamantine, at first level with a single feat (Adamantiue Body) is a great deal if you're playing a fighter-type.

As for the healing deficiency, this is a bit of a problem, but the repair damage series that wrigghawk mentions will most likely be available to sorcerers and wizards in our game.

Overall, they're pretty solid, but not particularly better than the other core races. Since there's no level adjustment on them, this is as it should be."

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The reason I said PM your comments is because they're all negative. Since you're not gonna be playing why should I waste my time arguing with you in my "who's with me?" post.

Ian Benjamin fucked around with this message on 12-11-2005 at 08:24 PM.

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Ian Benjamin didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat. He had only two ways home: death, or victory.
The reason I said PM your comments is because they're all negative. Since you're not gonna be playing why should I waste my time arguing with you in my "who's with me?" post.

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So you don't want to discuss it with him publically because it's negative? I know you said that, I just had to repeat it to myself to let it sink in.

You'll go far around these parts.

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Nobody really understood why Sean wrote:
So you don't want to discuss it with him publically because it's negative? I know you said that, I just had to repeat it to myself to let it sink in.

You'll go far around these parts.

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Despite how it's a regular pasttime on EC, there isn't anything productive about arguing with someone who seems to already made up their mind and passed judgement. There is merit in debate, but I don't see any discussion in his post. Your "you'll go far" comment isn't warranted in the least. I paid my dues when I took flak in the sword thread over a year ago.

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We were all impressed when Ian Benjamin wrote:
Despite how it's a regular pasttime on EC, there isn't anything productive about arguing with someone who seems to already made up their mind and passed judgement. There is merit in debate, but I don't see any discussion in his post. Your "you'll go far" comment isn't warranted in the least. I paid my dues when I took flak in the sword thread over a year ago.

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Mr. Parcelan painfully thought these words up:
I recommend giving the code to Talonus. Giving it to him would be much like getting an accurate review for everyone.

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I don't have nearly the time I did in the past to play MMOs, so can't really play a lot to get an accurate review. Plus, I'm already pretty biased against the game and wouldn't even look at it twice if Turbine wasn't the developer (after Mythic Turbine is the MMO developer that I trust most, though they're fucking up a lot lately). Kat's far more deserving than I, especially since she's been following it better.

I can sum it up pretty well with a quickish review I read. Seems to flow with whatever I've heard (ignore the bad spelling though);

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Good news: D&D online plays exactly like P&P D&D

Bad news: D&D online plays exactly like P&P D&D

Graphically, its about par to old DAoC. Which IMO isn't bad I don't need to see the armhair on an elf to make a game immersive.

No pvp, but as stated before how could there possibly be?

downsides; its an endless series of boxed missions ala CoH, in fact its very much like CoH IMO, Warforged are abominations against the fantasy setting, again IMO, and this is the game that coined "munchkining", "Min-maxing", "monty hauling," and "rules lawyering" of course rules lawyering will be replaced by statistic accountants upon obsolencenece.

upsides: this is exactly what EQ1 should've been, easy to get into, not hard to grasp, I see dndol as a gateway drug to online gaming. DAoC will probably see a subscription increase as people play through this. This will also have a big market in RL d&d groups that just can't get together that are getting older and can't break out the dice due to workaday.

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Talonus fucked around with this message on 12-11-2005 at 09:05 PM.

Bad news: D&D online plays exactly like P&P D&D

Hehe, while I can agree with the sentiment, a few things did change for better or for worse: Spell slots have been replaced with a sort of spell point system to make casting more do-able since having to sleep for 8 hours after each difficult battle is a drag; Ranged healing was implemented instead of touch since touch-healing proved problematic; Real-time action replaced "rounds of combat", etc. I can deal with these changes since it's all an effort to make things work.

Graphically, its about par to old DAoC. Which IMO isn't bad I don't need to see the armhair on an elf to make a game immersive.

No pvp, but as stated before how could there possibly be?

I'll admit, I enjoy PvP in most MMOs. Balancing it for D&D would destroy classes. Cooperation of players was always the goal anyway.

downsides; its an endless series of boxed missions ala CoH, in fact its very much like CoH IMO, Warforged are abominations against the fantasy setting, again IMO, and this is the game that coined "munchkining", "Min-maxing", "monty hauling," and "rules lawyering" of course rules lawyering will be replaced by statistic accountants upon obsolencenece.

Warforged have caused a lot of controversy, but I can't understand why. They aren't robots, or cyborgs, or anything futuristic. Golems infused with magic, gaining sentiency is far fetched, but it's fantasy. Plant, stone, and metal constructs/golems were found in 2nd edition campaigns. Lots of bad publicity based on gut reactions I guess. Considering only one stat that gets +2 and two that get a -2 and the hardships of construct life, it's hardly Gary Gygax enough to be "munchkin".

upsides: this is exactly what EQ1 should've been, easy to get into, not hard to grasp, I see dndol as a gateway drug to online gaming. DAoC will probably see a subscription increase as people play through this. This will also have a big market in RL d&d groups that just can't get together that are getting older and can't break out the dice due to workaday. [/QUOTE]

No arguements there. That last part is the reason I'll be playing.

Obviously, those who are in Beta can't tell us everything. Because of the non-disclosure agreement there isn't a ton of specific information to be found until it goes fully public.

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Check out the big brain on Ian Benjamin!
[QUOTE]Obviously, those who are in Beta can't tell us everything. Because of the non-disclosure agreement there isn't a ton of specific information to be found until it goes fully public.

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Eh, finding info isn't that hard. If you have a friend in the beta, there's no reason for them to hold the info from you. Hell, unless your forum is big (IGN) read by developers (F13, Corpnews, FOH) one shouldn't worry about posting info either.

Hell, Auto Assault ending up shutting down their beta and revamping the game because beta players were leaving in droves and more and more info was getting out, even with the NDA.

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Asha'man wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
98% of the D&D content outside the core books is pure munchkin fodder. Warforged suck because they cater to that 98%.

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Could you please elaborate?

What about the folks who want to RP the freed war slave? The racial trait negatives hurt a variety of class combos, including Sorc, Cleric, Paladin, etc. Min/Maxing certain races with certain classes/prestige classes just to be uber is lame, but what is inherently "munchkin" about Warforged?

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Talonus enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Eh, finding info isn't that hard. If you have a friend in the beta, there's no reason for them to hold the info from you. Hell, unless your forum is big (IGN) read by developers (F13, Corpnews, FOH) one shouldn't worry about posting info either.

Hell, Auto Assault ending up shutting down their beta and revamping the game because beta players were leaving in droves and more and more info was getting out, even with the NDA.

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Yeah, you're right. I guess I'm still naive sometimes, hehe. I take contracts rather seriously because of how my father raised me. I still feel funny about pirated music too.

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How.... Ian Benjamin.... uughhhhhh:
The reason I said PM your comments is because they're all negative. Since you're not gonna be playing why should I waste my time arguing with you in my "who's with me?" post.

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Haha.

I'm going to ignore such sillyness and pose this question to you: Why do elves get to keep their immunity to sleep, but Warforged do not? Hmm?

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Densetsu obviously shouldn't have said:
Haha.

I'm going to ignore such sillyness and pose this question to you: Why do elves get to keep their immunity to sleep, but Warforged do not? Hmm?

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When did Xundau say they weren't immune? Or did someone experience sleep effects as a warforged in beta? He cited a few of their racial traits, but obviously not all of them.

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[EBS page 23 & 24]

- Immunity to poision, sleep effects, effects that cause the sickened condition, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion, and energy drains.

- A warforged responds slightly differently form other living creature when reduced to 0 hit points. A warforged with 0 hit points is disabled, just like a living creature. He can only take a single move action or standard action in each round, but strenuous activity does not risk further injury.
When his hit points are less than 0 and greater as -10, a warfoged is inert. He is unconscious and helpless, and he cannot perform any actions. However, an inert warforged does not lose additional hit pointsunless more damage is dealt to him, as with a living creature that is stable.

- Light Fortifictaion(Ex): When a critical hit or sneak attackis scored on a war forged, there is a 25% chance that the critical hit or sneak attack is negated and damage is rolled normally.

Traits: A Warforged possesses the following traits.

- Unlike other constructs, a Warforged has a Constitution score.
- Unlike other constructs, a Warforged does not have low-light vision or darkvision.
- Unlike other constructs, a Warforged is not immune to mind-affecting spells or abilities.
- Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion, effects that cause the sickened condition, and energy drain.
- A warforged cannot heal damage naturally.
- Unlike other constructs, Wargorged are subject to critical hits, nonlethal damage, stunning, ability damage, ability drain, and death effects or necromancy effects.

Ian Benjamin fucked around with this message on 12-12-2005 at 12:52 AM.

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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Ian Benjamin was all like:
When did Xundau say they weren't immune? Or did someone experience sleep effects as a warforged in beta? He cited a few of their racial traits, but obviously not all of them.

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Because, as of the last time I logged into the DDO beta, Warforged were not immune to sleep and elves were. This is intentional, because last time I checked, Warforged have none of their immunities. At all.

And quoting the ECS to me is useless, since I DM an Eberron game weekly.

Densetsu fucked around with this message on 12-12-2005 at 01:00 AM.