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Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 12-01-2005 11:34:40 PM
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Naimah stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Actually I did. In general lower income children will do poorer on most measures of intelegence regardless of their actual ability. Thus by saying only those with the desire and ability to learn, which has to be measured in some way, should go to college you are saying that the poor should have a lesser chance.

He's not saying that at all.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 12-01-2005 11:37:06 PM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about Cuba:
That used to be true. But now a lot of it is about employment. Many industries will not even look at you without a 4 year degree. And that number is increasing everyday. That is what is pushing this change.

The role of Universities has changed over the years, theres no "right" to be at one or not. If you have the money and the grades, you're in. Universities are not some mystical entity, they're a business just like McDonald's.


No, there's not really been any change. Employment is just a happy side effect of education. If you don't go with an education in mind, you're just going to dissapoint yourself.

In addition, you actually do have the right to an education. If you have the ability and desire to learn, you have the right to attend university. Only in flawed private systems are educational facilities "just another business".

As for Naimah--intelligence isn't the only measure of ability. Many people of very average intelligence succeed at university, because it's more about hard work than intelligence. The slower people really have to slog at it, though. In any case, merit is the yardstick of importance, not wealth. So no, I'm actually saying that the poor should have an equal opportunity for education as the rich.

Pvednes fucked around with this message on 12-01-2005 at 11:39 PM.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 12-02-2005 11:56:58 AM
You have an annoying habit of asserting your personal beliefs as basic human rights.

Unlimited education as far as one's drive and talent can take one is hardly a basic right. You have both a right and a duty to take care of yourself and improve yourself once you become an adult; professional students have no right to my tax dollars to support themselves while they pursue their dreams.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Zaeron
Pancake
posted 12-02-2005 01:01:25 PM
On another note, my father ran a very successful (assuming you measure by relative incomes - he made far more money working for himself than he had at his old job) network management business from his home for nearly seven years. During that time, he worked for a number of high profile (considering the area, southern vermont isn't exactly the IT hotspot of the world) clients. When he got sick of working for himself, and applied to the same companies he used to fill in for, to work full time for them, he was informed that they wouldn't even consider hiring a fully certified network technician who hadn't been through college, despite the fact that he had even worked for them for so much as a month at a time. College isn't just about an education - it's about having the option to move up. If my father had gone to college, he could have gotten a well paying job at any number of companies - but since he didn't, his only choices were to work for himself, go back to college, or quit his job and find something that didn't require a degree to be competitive in.

Edit: Fixed italics tag. Eventually I'll be able to post in this forum without editing myself

Zaeron fucked around with this message on 12-02-2005 at 01:02 PM.

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