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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Optimus Prime:
i thot ume k
batty has no 
for anyone.
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Falaanla Marr probably says this to all the girls:
Yep, they're retarded. Couldn't be that they just don't care to really practive PVPing as much as you.Some people PvP occasionally and WON'T be as good at it, good gear or not. Doesn't make them retarded.
No, they have the best gear in the game, and work for it. So do we. But they actively TRY to PvP and are shut down at every possible juncture. 
We don't even really try to PvP all that often (lol pally). D:
It's really only relevant in WSG.
So stop using it as an excuse.
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Lashanna painfully thought these words up:
The roles of paladins in unbalancing PvP are severely overestimated.It's really only relevant in WSG.
So stop using it as an excuse.
I dunno. Watching a level 60 Paladin kill a level 60 Shaman outside of UBRS while another 60 Shaman, 60 Mage, 2 60 Rogues, 60 Druid (in cat form) and a level 58 Warrior were right there, all flagged and waiting for the Paladin to come back out and start shit speaks for something somewhat unbalanced...
Granted coming out, smacking the Shaman for a decent amount of damage, using a stun bomb (I think he was using Big Brass) and then shielding to finish the SOB off and allow him to escape back into the instance was... annoying. I was standing around unflagged and had NO desire to enter combat. This Paladin had been zoning in and out randomly smacking people on the head (when it was just one Shaman, the Druid and the Mage). When they "called in reinforcements" he decided to kill the Shaman.
Watching the Shamen drop Windfury Totems, Grounding Totems and Grace of Air totems while waiting for me to engage was amusing. I just stood out on the balcony and laughed.
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Lashanna's fortune cookie read:
The roles of paladins in unbalancing PvP are severely overestimated.It's really only relevant in WSG.
So stop using it as an excuse.
With a little bit of forethought (lol felhunter with 220 resistz), Pallies go down easy for me.
It just. takes. so. god. damn. long. 
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about dark elf butts:
With a little bit of forethought (lol felhunter with 220 resistz), Pallies go down easy for me.It just. takes. so. god. damn. long.
Death Coil, Death Coil, Death Coil, *burp*
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NullDevice impressed everyone with:
Death Coil, Death Coil, Death Coil, *burp*
Six minutes later..
Again, forethought. Amped agony, coil, fear, dispel (Oh, they HATE it when you dispel seal of command) all while sucking precious mana.. Mmm.. Mana.
It's not something people hear about.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Maradon! said:
Remember the Best of the Best tournaments in EQ where they had a ladder match within the best of all the classes from every server? Remember how the representatives from the PVP servers all died like pansy bitches? This is because people on PVP servers really are not any more skilled at pvp than anyone else, and are usually much less so because all they ever do is grief people much lower than them or get griefed by people much higher than them.
Actually that was because everyone from the PvE servers was geared with high-tier PvE gear and due to the fact that in EQ all the good players went to the PvE servers because that was where progress was being made.
If you're routinely getting killed 1v1 by Paladins, you're doing something wrong. The best strategy for confronting them is to avoid them; they're notoriously hard to kill, but they can't really do jack if you decide to run away.
P.S.: Being so hard to kill, the Alliance routinely underestimates the value of a nigh-unkillable healer.
In summation!
Healing Paladin = Pain in the ass Mr. Parcelan fucked around with this message on 10-25-2005 at 12:45 PM.
Tanking Paladin = A joke in all things
DPS Paladin = At its best, probably something similar to a leg cramp
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Robocop:
Without mana, a Paladin is just a shitty Warrior.
And way too many already think they can replace one.
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Tanking Paladin = A joke in all things
Assuming you're talking about their protection tree, they are actually pretty painful. Hard to kill and dishes out some actual damage.
Reckoning hurts, a lot. 
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We were all impressed when Addy wrote:
Assuming you're talking about their protection tree, they are actually pretty painful. Hard to kill and dishes out some actual damage.Reckoning hurts, a lot.
Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't deal too much with Paladins that don't rely on Consecrate as their primary mode of attack.
The problem with Paladins is that they're a good class played by bad players.
But I'm a 'noob' according to everyone else in my guild because I PVP in full healing/int/sta gear.
Also, a paladin alone in a battleground is worthless. A paladin grouped with a warrior in a battleground can easily take and hold a GY against a full group of horde.
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Mr. Parcelan attempted to be funny by writing:
Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't deal too much with Paladins that don't rely on Consecrate as their primary mode of attack.The problem with Paladins is that they're a good class played by bad players.
Retribution and retard both start with the same first three letters. D: (I kid!)
Seriously though, Paladins really only need Seal of Command from the Retribution line, and maybe Vengeance. More points than that in Ret are a waste. Consecration can reveal rogues in pvp, but that's really not saying anything, since a rogue isn't going to hurt a Paladin much anyway.
Actually playing with Paladins now, it's REALLY obvious when you're playing with a good paladin or a bad paladin. Bad paladins generally make zero attempt at healing. >:(
HELP PLZ What's a good priest build for solo and group play? I don't really give a flip about PVP, but I want to be good in instances and good at dicking around solo in between. Right now, I'm level 20 and I have 11 points in Shadow:
5/5 Spirit Tap
2/2 Improved PW: Pain
3/5 Shadow whatever (reduces ability to resist by 6%)
1/1 Mind Flay
Should I continue into Shadow or work on another tree? Remember, I want to be useful in a group, too. Right now, I'm pretty good at soloing and I can take on stuff three levels above me with zero downtime, so I don't know if more Shadow is necessary at this point in time... Suddar fucked around with this message on 10-30-2005 at 02:56 PM.
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Suddar had this to say about Cuba:
I want to be useful in a group, too.
^^^
Misread what you said, but still, is having no Holy smart? I dunno, I suck at WoW. Suddar fucked around with this message on 10-30-2005 at 02:59 PM.
Just don't let a group see you in shadowform later on.
It's not something people hear about.
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Suddar had this to say about Tron:
Alright. So, now, the question is, what talents don't suck in Shadow? I think I have good ones so far, but Tier 3 looks shitty so I'm not sure what to take.
First five talent points into Spirit tap. Crucial. If you shoot for spirit gear on top of this you will just plain never have to stop killing. I rate this as the 2nd most valuable shadow skill for levelling purposes
then 2/2 Imp. Shadow word Pain
then 3/5 blackout
then 1/1 Mind Flay (You will use this spell more than anything else you have. Most effecient spell you have)
then 3/5 to 5/5 Blackout
Now here you have some options, I suggest for pve grinding speed
4/5 mind blast and 3/3 shadow reach
Then 1/1 Vampiric Embrace. Your most important spell. Once you get this you only ever have to heal yourself once in a blue moon. Shielding yourself then doing a couple mind flays will become your new heal more or less. Also ludicrous in groups.
Then 5/5 shadow weaving
then 4/5 darkness
then 1/1 Shadowform (end all to pve)
then 5/5 darkness
By this point you are lvl 41 and will have come into your full, completely ludicrous pve'ing abilities and will be tearing through things non-stop as if they aren't even there.
Points till 60 go in disc, 5/5 unbreakable will, then imp shield/fortitude, 5/5 mental agility and 4/5 mental strength
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Now, this is hardly an optimal build and when you start rading or pvp you will want to respec, but respecing is fine. the first few respecs cost practically nothing and the best way is to have a levelling spec at first then respec it something later once you have a feel for your class.
You will later on want Shadow Affinity and Silence and possibly not spirit tap (Only useful for solo grinding mobs, not much of that at 60 compared to pvp, grouping or raiding). But that is not now, that is later, for now you have one focus, own mobs to your fullest extent 
Holy tree is overratted btw, 10 points gets you your best investment, 15 isn't too bad. Disc is our best overall tree, no possible reason for a priest not to have 20 points minimum into disc, 21 is the best.
Oh and holy freaking crap you need blackout Vorago fucked around with this message on 10-30-2005 at 05:08 PM.
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Vorago had this to say about Cuba:
Then 1/1 Vampiric Embrace. Your most important spell. Once you get this you only ever have to heal yourself once in a blue moon. Shielding yourself then doing a couple mind flays will become your new heal more or less. Also ludicrous in groups.
Holy shit, no kidding. Having a shadow priest on DPS when I'm main healing (Druid) makes my job so much easier. I can usually add spell DPS without worrying.
Also you can take the Silent resolve route to get there meaning 20% less threat generated on any damage spell, which isn't all together useless for grouping. Blindy. fucked around with this message on 10-31-2005 at 08:04 AM.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Blindy. wrote:
Improved sheilding might be worth a few points earlier. Having it on a 15 sec lockout instead of a 30 sec lockout means 9/10 mobs you fight don't ever manage to actually hit you. You could probibly substitute it for shadow reach in that spec and find it a little more useful than improved range on nukes.Also you can take the Silent resolve route to get there meaning 20% less threat generated on any damage spell, which isn't all together useless for grouping.
With vampiric embrace it actually doesn't matter a whole lot if mobs hit you. The shield is less effecient than healing in terms of hp saved for mana spent. Early on, since you are exping, you can just frontload the shield on yourself before getting to a mob if need be so the timer runs out a lot sooner
Main issue is getting improved shield earlier requires 7 points, and quite frankly Unbreakable Will just isn't as good as the shadow tree talents for grinding, there aren't a terrible amount of mobs that stun or silence you for a very long time.
20% less threat generated is crap. Improved Fade. Voila, you have solved any threat problems you could pretty much ever hope for Vorago fucked around with this message on 10-31-2005 at 08:24 AM. Less threat from healing? Crap, 2 points in improved fade saves you 5 points in the other 'les threat' talents. 20 seconds of zero aggro is like a god damned vacation
But damn I'm going to miss being the healer that never casts an actual healing spell.
Blindy. fucked around with this message on 10-31-2005 at 09:01 AM.
What's the cooldown on mind flay anyway?
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Blindy. thought about the meaning of life:
You have conviced me sir, I will go change my talents later today.
But damn I'm going to miss being the healer that never casts an actual healing spell.
What's the cooldown on mind flay anyway?
No cooldown
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Did someone say Vorago:
No cooldown
JESUS FUCK THAT IS THE BEST SPELL EVER. 
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Suddar had this to say about Cuba:
It's channeled, but it's great for pulling and I imagine spamming it in groups for DPS rocks ass too.
It is the only snare not removed by a druid swiftshifting making it utterly invaluable in WSG and damned good everywhere else. In pvp you will end up using it more than every other spell combined, heh. 50% snare + our most effecient damage = godsend.
Plus it deals good damage every single second wrecking your opponent's cast times and being channeled it automatically tracks a target so some warrior trying to run circles around you to break your casting just gives you free shots, heh Vorago fucked around with this message on 10-31-2005 at 01:11 PM.
current plan is to max out black out mind blast and scream and then hit up silence and VE
I'm playing a female because she has a nice ass. I'm a tool, I know.
her name is Kimessa, ok? hit me up grandmas
(^hey lol it's the grandma filter^) Suddar fucked around with this message on 11-03-2005 at 11:30 PM.
