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From the book of Maradon!, chapter 3, verse 16:
In the real world, though, oxygen doesn't get you high and...
As a man with access to hospital quality oxygen (98.5% pure or higher!) at a whim, I can certainly say that this is not true!
Though it could be all that pot I smoked first...
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Bent over the coffee table, Delphi Aegis squealed:
As a man with access to hospital quality oxygen (98.5% pure or higher!) at a whim, I can certainly say that this is not true!Though it could be all that pot I smoked first...
As a man who has flown for hours at a time breathing oxygen much purer than hospital quality, I can definitively say that what you are denying is indeed true: oxygen cannot make you high. If oxygen could make one high, aircrew would not routinely breathe 100% oxygen while operating multi-gazillion dollar aircraft armed with hyper-destructive weaponry.
What can give one the impression of being high is the sudden cure for mild hypoxia, which will make colors seem brighter and clearer, and add definition to the external world. Folks who smoke or live in heavily polluted areas are especially prone to constant mild hypoxia, and breathing oxygen can cause a change in how they perceive the world. . .that an ignorant person could mistake for being high.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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There was much rejoicing when Bloodsage said this:
Well. . .cost/benefit has been shown to be a factor in car industry voluntary safety recalls. Heck, there's an ongoing example with Ford's refusal to recall and repair the "always hot" cruise control that has caused so many destroyed homes and fires, even though they've changed the design on new ones to conform to industry safety standards. And there's always the example of the famous GM (was it GM?) gas tanks outside the frame and causing fires during accidents. . . .So while certainly not a safe blanket statement about big business in general, one can't dismiss it as silly, either.
Massive recalls are expensive, so I don't blame companies for holding out. Fight club did have some truth to it, weigh the cost of lawsuits vs. millions to recall everything is surely factored into the decision somewhat.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_on_bi_ge/prius_recall
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Mooj had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Amusingly, Gabe over at Penny Arcade seems to have had the same idea that we had, and he let Mr. Thompson know it.Someone explain to me why Jack Thompson hasn't been arrested / committed / beaten to death with a sack full of Mortal Kombat cartridges?
Are we talking MK1? SNES or Genesis?
SNES MK1, go for it. Genesis MK1, fuck you, they're worth more than he is. 
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ACES! Another post by Bloodsage:
If oxygen could make one high, aircrew would not routinely breathe 100% oxygen while operating multi-gazillion dollar aircraft armed with hyper-destructive weaponry.
For various reasons, this made me break out in evil laughter.
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So quoth Bloodsage:
As a man who has flown for hours at a time breathing oxygen much purer than hospital quality, I can definitively say that what you are denying is indeed true: oxygen cannot make you high. If oxygen could make one high, aircrew would not routinely breathe 100% oxygen while operating multi-gazillion dollar aircraft armed with hyper-destructive weaponry.What can give one the impression of being high is the sudden cure for mild hypoxia, which will make colors seem brighter and clearer, and add definition to the external world. Folks who smoke or live in heavily polluted areas are especially prone to constant mild hypoxia, and breathing oxygen can cause a change in how they perceive the world. . .that an ignorant person could mistake for being high.
I know, hence the funny tag. 
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We were all impressed when Palador ChibiDragon wrote:
For various reasons, this made me break out in evil laughter.
Its true though. Aircraft use LOX, which is liquid oxygen, which has an insanely low boiling point. You cant get much purer than that.
(Funny side note about LOX... its so highly explosive, that if a bit is left in the drip pan, and you jump on it before it boils off, it will launch you upward a couple of feet. If there is too much, however, not only will it launch you, it will blow your boots to pieces.)
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Azakias's fortune cookie read:
Its true though. Aircraft use LOX, which is liquid oxygen, which has an insanely low boiling point. You cant get much purer than that.(Funny side note about LOX... its so highly explosive, that if a bit is left in the drip pan, and you jump on it before it boils off, it will launch you upward a couple of feet. If there is too much, however, not only will it launch you, it will blow your boots to pieces.)
Azakias lies, Lox is something you put on bagels.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Azakias lies, Lox is something you put on bagels.
And drink lots of water.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Tron:
As a man who has flown for hours at a time breathing oxygen much purer than hospital quality, I can definitively say that what you are denying is indeed true: oxygen cannot make you high. If oxygen could make one high, aircrew would not routinely breathe 100% oxygen while operating multi-gazillion dollar aircraft armed with hyper-destructive weaponry.What can give one the impression of being high is the sudden cure for mild hypoxia, which will make colors seem brighter and clearer, and add definition to the external world. Folks who smoke or live in heavily polluted areas are especially prone to constant mild hypoxia, and breathing oxygen can cause a change in how they perceive the world. . .that an ignorant person could mistake for being high.
Why the high concentration? A few hours of that is really quite damaging.
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Pvednes had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Why the high concentration? A few hours of that is really quite damaging.
If you dont get enough oxygen under certain conditions, it can cause you to ge the bends, hypoxia, etc.
Its more damaging to be without the high O2 concentration than it is to endure it for the length of a flight.
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Azakias stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
If you dont get enough oxygen under certain conditions, it can cause you to ge the bends, hypoxia, etc.Its more damaging to be without the high O2 concentration than it is to endure it for the length of a flight.
In that case, surely it would be better to link oxygen concentration to arterial partial pressure of oxygen. Not so damaging that way.
Jack Thompson: Positive proof that a lack of oxygen to the brain can lead to serious complications....
He has such immature glee and smugness when he spits out some virulent and almost-but-not-quite witty retort while quickly glossing over any flaws in his arguement with more offense.
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Tarquinn painfully thought these words up:
Okay, I admit I am an ignorant fool. Who the heck is Jack Thompson?
A Giant Douche...Well close, a lawyer from Florida I believe, has a crusade Against video games, got GTA:SA to get it's ratings changed and pulled from store shelves.
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Quoth Pvednes:
In that case, surely it would be better to link oxygen concentration to arterial partial pressure of oxygen. Not so damaging that way.
It's not really deleterious to one's health. And most modern aircraft do have a system that adds oxygen and pressure in proportion to cabin altitude.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
It's not really deleterious to one's health. And most modern aircraft do have a system that adds oxygen and pressure in proportion to cabin altitude.
Well...exposure to >80% oxygen for over six hours causes permanent respiratory damage, not to mention the other symptoms of oxygen toxicity much earlier on.
I know it's a big concern in ICUs, and avoiding such damage is part of diving training. Then again, how long are you exposed at any one time?
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Pvednes wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
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I know it's a big concern in ICUs, and avoiding such damage is part of diving training. Then again, how long are you exposed at any one time?
I think you are looking at this from a way diffrent tahn what you are seeing at a Hospital, this is 100% Oxygen, but at low pressures, without those masks pilots go loopy.
---Also if a person was to get high during a plane crash or something like it, it would be more likely it was from a sudden loss in cabin pressure than from those masks.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Pvednes absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Well...exposure to >80% oxygen for over six hours causes permanent respiratory damage, not to mention the other symptoms of oxygen toxicity much earlier on.I know it's a big concern in ICUs, and avoiding such damage is part of diving training. Then again, how long are you exposed at any one time?
Things are different at altitude, though. Diving is almost exactly the opposite of flying--any impurities at all in the oxygen at altitude will cause the bends, while the opposite is true while diving. I've breathed pure oxygen for longer than 6 hours at a time; given the expense of the aircraft we fly, if there were risks, we'd be educated.
I think folks sometimes confuse what's true for diving with what's true for flying, when most of the considerations are exactly the opposite. U2 pilots, for example, must breathe pure O2 for an hour or so prior to flying, and during their entire flight, in order to remove the nitrogen from their systems to keep from getting the bends while at altitude.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Rodent King said:
Back on topic though: I thought this was hilarious. Why won't the man shut up already? I'm all for keeping violent games away from children, but adults should be free to play whatever they want to.
I just posted that story three posts up. Its not even a seperate thread. 
Anyways, here's Thompson's responses to the letter. He even manages to fit in Hitler to Godwin the whole arguement. More to come as well on Gamepolitics for more personal comments from Thompson.
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Talonus attempted to be funny by writing:
I just posted that story three posts up. Its not even a seperate thread.
I stopped reading some posts when I saw the topic had moved to airplane procedures. Sorry.
.. and yet his letter reads like it was written by someone who couldn't even pass 8th grade English...
Maybe he's also part of the chorus calling for High School Graduation Diplomas to be given out to all the kids in California, regardless of whether or not they can pass the Graduation test (you know the one.. testing their abilities at Grade 12 based on grade 8 Math and English).
