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Inferno-Spirit stopped masturbating to porn to say;
I prefer this build.
Any reason why you have 2 points into Tactical Mastery and 4 points into Improved Parry when you never switch stances?
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Delidgamond Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Any reason why you have 2 points into Tactical Mastery and 4 points into Improved Parry when you never switch stances?
Well, I'm not quite 60 and haven't applied those points yet. They are the only real points that are still up in the air for me.
As far as changing stances goes, I do, on occasion. Not much.
I'm really hoping that they'll set up Whirlwind to hit with both weapons when dual-wielding (balancing it however necessary to make it par with an equivalent 2 hander) so the Berserker Stance only skill actually takes advantage of the Fury talents. It would be nice to have as close to as many skills available in Berserker as Combat, too. Having access to Rend or Overpower would make things nicer.
Getting Improved Rend(3/3) in my build and not being able to effectively use it is a pain. It's one of the reasons I wanted to get Tactical Mastery 2/5. I could Charge, Rend, and switch without losing much of the rage built from the first impact hits.
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Inferno-Spirit had this to say about Tron:
I just see Bloodthirst as as good an option as Mortal Strike. Flurry replaces Sword Mastery (I'm not sure on the exact difference in dps, but they seem close) but no longer restricts weapon types, and Improved Berserker Rage is fucking love.Deep Wounds is kind of universal though (Impale, and it's almost as good on 2H as 1H), so the 1H vs 2H thing for that I mentioned isn't important.
I prefer this build. I find that I use HS enough with all the crazy rage that IHS is worth it. I almost always stay in Berserker Stance(which is the only reason I don't have IOP). I can solo enemies at or below my level range almost indefinitely.
This is the Fury build I was considering and will likely switch to if the MS thing doesn't work out too well (I love Sweeping Strikes + Retaliation + Cleave for soloing SM Chapel; good money there). Additionally, the present build allows for flexibility between dw and 2h. Not that the Fury talents aren't sexy as hell, I've just gotten used to using MS and I'm loathe to give it up. I don't like using HS in raids because it generates a lot of threat so I'd rather not depend on that as my damage ability.
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Kuroi Madoushi stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
This is the Fury build I was considering and will likely switch to if the MS thing doesn't work out too well (I love Sweeping Strikes + Retaliation + Cleave for soloing SM Chapel; good money there). Additionally, the present build allows for flexibility between dw and 2h. Not that the Fury talents aren't sexy as hell, I've just gotten used to using MS and I'm loathe to give it up. I don't like using HS in raids because it generates a lot of threat so I'd rather not depend on that as my damage ability.
I'm not aware of the aggro differences between the three 31 points talent abilities. Can someone elaborate specifically?
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Inferno-Spirit had this to say about John Romero:
I'm not aware of the aggro differences between the three 31 points talent abilities. Can someone elaborate specifically?
It's not the 31 talent abilities, it's Mortal Strike vs. Heroic Strike. If you read the description of HS, it's says it generates a high amount of threat. MS only generates threat based on the damage it does. Now that I think about, though, Bloodthirst might generate slightly more than MS due to the healing effect. Not certain of that. Kuroi Madoushi fucked around with this message on 08-17-2005 at 04:18 PM.
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quote:Why aren't you taking Anger Management?
Kuroi Madoushi.
This is the Fury build I was considering and will likely switch to if the MS thing doesn't work out too well (I love Sweeping Strikes + Retaliation + Cleave for soloing SM Chapel; good money there). Additionally, the present build allows for flexibility between dw and 2h. Not that the Fury talents aren't sexy as hell, I've just gotten used to using MS and I'm loathe to give it up. I don't like using HS in raids because it generates a lot of threat so I'd rather not depend on that as my damage ability.
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Blackened stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Why aren't you taking Anger Management?
I DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY FUCKING ANGER MANAGEMENT GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!
Wow.
Edit: My spec.. I use OEB for damage when I'm not tanking. -Yuri- fucked around with this message on 08-17-2005 at 05:15 PM.
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This insanity brought to you by Lenlalron Flameblaster:
Addy, do your hunters do a lot of damage in MC/BWL? Our hunters pretty much lose to the rogues by obscene amounts (on dps meters), and it's depressing, because rogues get burst damage, where the devs seem determined to reduce any burst damage the hunter could have.
The rogues are always the top 5 (btw we have 5 rogues ohohoho) duking it out for the #1 slot, then it's hunters/mages. Our hunters do moderate damage. No, they can't pass a rogue's damage generally (unless if said rogue is dead or goofing off), but they still can hurt a mob pretty darn well.
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Addy wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
The rogues are always the top 5 (btw we have 5 rogues ohohoho) duking it out for the #1 slot, then it's hunters/mages. Our hunters do moderate damage. No, they can't pass a rogue's damage generally (unless if said rogue is dead or goofing off), but they still can hurt a mob pretty darn well.
I see. So is there a main purpose for hunters to be on raids minus magmadar, then, or can they be replaced by rogues?
I'm just wondering, to be honest.
That, and bitter over the MS nerf.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Addy said:
The rogues are always the top 5 (btw we have 5 rogues ohohoho) duking it out for the #1 slot, then it's hunters/mages. Our hunters do moderate damage. No, they can't pass a rogue's damage generally (unless if said rogue is dead or goofing off), but they still can hurt a mob pretty darn well.
Considering we're the last to die in any group situation (assuming we die at all) I'd say that's fair enough. 
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JooJooFlop's fortune cookie read:
Considering we're the last to die in any group situation (assuming we die at all) I'd say that's fair enough.
I'd actually give that up for increased pvp viability, to be honest, but you can't please everyone. ;p
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JooJooFlop wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Hey, I'm plenty viable in PvP.
Solo, group, or zerg?
I was mainly talking about solo, and to an extent, group.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about dark elf butts:
I play on the battlegrounds so I'm never PvPing solo.
Ah.
Yeah, on AV, I'm pleased. I can usually snipe people off in AV, and do a pretty darn good job of it, and I enjoy it a lot too. (MS nerf is gonna make it harder though, because I'm a crit build moreso ;p)
WSG is potluck; you're at most going to be with 10 people, and the best strategy I've found is to either trail the zerg and hope a rogue or someone doesn't break off to pound you until you've done a bit of damage, or stay with the group, and hope they aren't smart enough to immobilize you, removing you from general usefulness before you can break off. So I've had some fun times with WSG, and some really frustrating times in it.
I'm really a solo pvper at heart, I want to take someone on and claim complete victory . And that's where it really sucks, and it can be really frustrating when I'm farming in EPL or something.
Edit: I consider anything from 2-10 people small group pvp; anything past that and it does tend to get into more of a zerg "who can do the most damage or most disabling first" mindset.
Oh, yeah, JooJoo, how does AV fare on your server? Does the horde or alliance win most of the time? Lenlalron Flameblaster fucked around with this message on 08-17-2005 at 05:57 PM.
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Blackened spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Why aren't you taking Anger Management?
I've played with and without it, the difference isn't really noticeable any time except solo farming and not much even then. I'm either moving between mobs fast enough that the loss is negligible or I'm stopped long enough that I'm out of rage anyway.
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Is Kuroi honestly saying that DW is better damage then 2h in high end instances?Wow.
Edit: My spec.. I use OEB for damage when I'm not tanking.
Not at all. I'm choosing dw over my OEB because crits with it have been snapping aggro and getting me killed. Using OEB and a 35/16/0 build, I'd rarely be out of the top 5 damage dealers in MC (usually second place). I also got the Foror's Compendium recently (though I have to actually get Quel'serrar forged) and I'm looking to get a Brutality Blade at some point. Given those things, dw should do a pretty fair amount of damage. Kuroi Madoushi fucked around with this message on 08-17-2005 at 06:05 PM.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and JooJooFlop was all like:
I don't know, it's always an absolute bitch to get in there. I usually settle for WSG, and when I'm there I like to set frost traps in doorways/tunnels and shoot at whatever I catch. If I can get an Aimed Shot on an enemy, whether it crits or not, before it can respond to me I'll almost certainly kill them.
Nice.
Yeah, I love running behind our flag carriers, flipping out with freeze/frost traps, wingclipping chasers, and SSing opponents. It's so effective ;p
Interesting on the WSG- Our horde on Sarg got so mad that they boycotted WSG- there used to be 5-6 games running, now we're lucky to find ONE. And there is usually 2 AV's running, if not 3, and one saturday, there were FOUR.
Of course, the horde freaking owns us at AV, beacuse there are so many newbs on alliance, it's almost sickening. That, and the honor system is counterproductive to the teamwork aspect of AV.
So that also might explain it too.
Teg, that bastard, can out damage most of our rogues in MC. If I don't go on a run of non-crits (I was down to a 1% crit rate on 150 shots the other day 
), I usually end up in the top 5-6 in MC. Outdamaging some of the rogues even. But when we get to mag and the core hounds, the mages go from below me to the top spots.
edit: I'm still generally above the mages even when we're doing the corehound packs. My damage rocks. GO ME Addy fucked around with this message on 08-18-2005 at 04:00 AM.
But yeah, less and less horde are showing up in AV until they fix the horde tower exploits because it has gone from a few powergaming smacktards abusing it to the whole freaking alliance. Two paladins can sneak into our main and cap both our main towers at once at any point, doubly so due to our useless base walls that can be quite literally jumped over.
It has gone beyond rampant
Yet most claim on the forums that capping a flag through a wall isn't an exploit... go figure
A lot of Horde are developing lone wolf complexes like the Alliance. It smells like burning.
But even with their cheating, we tend to win more often.
Most of the rogues we bring to MC aren't the best equipped. We have a few who are in some nice gear and can dish out siick damage, but most are not that great damagewise.
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Mr. Parcelan got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Cheating is the main problem, but it's not the only one.A lot of Horde are developing lone wolf complexes like the Alliance. It smells like burning.
But even with their cheating, we tend to win more often.
I was in my first real AV game last night and we won.
It's not something people hear about.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Cuba:
I was in my first real AV game last night and we won.[xIMG]http://members.aol.com/oomwocman/win.jpg[/IMG]
Nine hours...good fucking lord...
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OMGVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoVoragoOMG
Teg isn't a warrior, he is a rogue in plate, heh
A rogue in plate you say...
haha!
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Sean's account was hax0red to write:
You had way too many deaths for a Hunter.
I was being pretty aggressive with my traps. I get bored just staying back and picking people off.
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Kuroi Madoushi had this to say about pies:
Nine hours...good fucking lord...
I came in maybe half-way.
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Mr. Parcelan Model 2000 was programmed to say:
A lot of Horde are developing lone wolf complexes like the Alliance. It smells like burning.
I have discovered a new low today... people solo'ing in WSG outside of the raid and refusing to join. It boggles the mind
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Everyone wondered WTF when Vorago wrote:
I have discovered a new low today... people solo'ing in WSG outside of the raid and refusing to join. It boggles the mind
It boggles me a bit for WSG, but definately not for AV.
The honor system is counterproductive to the battlegrounds. Unless you know you're going to win (as alliance pretty much loses 95% of the time), then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT to being in the organized raid, because you will not gain any honor on many of the people you're genuinely competing against, and you will lose honor to the lone wolves who will get a lot more honor per kill, and get a competitive amount of kills compared to the zerg.
Note: It's a sort of self-perpetuating cycle. ;p Lenlalron Flameblaster fucked around with this message on 08-18-2005 at 07:51 PM.
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Lenlalron Flameblaster stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
It boggles me a bit for WSG, but definately not for AV.The honor system is counterproductive to the battlegrounds. Unless you know you're going to win (as alliance pretty much loses 95% of the time), then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT to being in the organized raid, because you will not gain any honor on many of the people you're genuinely competing against, and you will lose honor to the lone wolves who will get a lot more honor per kill, and get a competitive amount of kills compared to the zerg.
Note: It's a sort of self-perpetuating cycle. ;p
If they'd turn off the diminishing returns for honor in battlegrounds ALONE (As in, nowhere else), it'd be a good place to get CP for HKs. Otherwise, unless you take < 2 hours for AV, farming WSG is faster for CP. 
Wing clip now seems to have a global cooldown like raptor strike. Whether intended or not, it wasn't in the patch notes and is on the test servers.
Retaliation - Will now cause a maximum of 30 retaliatory strikes in 15 seconds. In addition, retaliatory strikes will not be possible while stunned. I won't be able to hit 4k dps in stratholm on my warrior anymore
The effect of the Judge's Gavel has been changed to a stun. Another sad nerf. I loved making people drop the flag with my gavel
The Effects of Flasks will now persist through death. Nice buff to alchemy.
Well time for work, maybe when I get back I can log on and test these changes.
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Flea attempted to be funny by writing:
Test servers are up. Can't get on them since everyone and their momma seems to be trying to transfer chars right now so I'll have to try later.Wing clip now seems to have a global cooldown like raptor strike. Whether intended or not, it wasn't in the patch notes and is on the test servers.
Retaliation - Will now cause a maximum of 30 retaliatory strikes in 15 seconds. In addition, retaliatory strikes will not be possible while stunned. I won't be able to hit 4k dps in stratholm on my warrior anymore
The effect of the Judge's Gavel has been changed to a stun. Another sad nerf. I loved making people drop the flag with my gavel
The Effects of Flasks will now persist through death. Nice buff to alchemy.
Well time for work, maybe when I get back I can log on and test these changes.
Black Lotus is no longer soulbound.
Hooray for another overpriced herb to be placed on the ah! But hey, at least it'll drive availability up some.
Kuroi Madoushi fucked around with this message on 08-18-2005 at 11:23 PM.
Also, tauren who buy the wolfriding ability will be able to ride wolves. 
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Kuroi Madoushi stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Black Lotus is no longer soulbound.
And I just deleted three in my bank to make room for stuff because I figured "If they arn't tradeable by now they probably never will be." 
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Pirotess:
And I just deleted three in my bank to make room for stuff because I figured "If they arn't tradeable by now they probably never will be."
/sob
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Flea Model 2000 was programmed to say:
The effect of the Judge's Gavel has been changed to a stun. Another sad nerf. I loved making people drop the flag with my gavel
Well, according to the bug post, this wasn't really intended. Much like MC + BoP to force a flag drop wasn't intended either.
I think this was a bit of an annoying change, though... I think effects that force a flag drop simply shouldn't work, either on yourself or on others. (I've seen more than one pally bubble by accident simply because they're used to it.)
But apparently they're all about doing things the lazy way, never the 'right' way.
