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Maradon! painfully thought these words up:
Wait, didn't you JUST ADMIT that he was guilty!?
Another juror (or maybe the same one) said he believed Michael Jackson had molested children in the past, but wasn't guilty in this specific case.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Maradon! said:
Wait, didn't you JUST ADMIT that he was guilty!?
So?
ALL the jurors have to believe it for a conviction.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Kermitov booooze lime pole over bench lick:
So?ALL the jurors have to believe it for a conviction.
Precisely...
That being said, I wish the fucker was brought up guilty on all counts, and its ludicrous that he got off scot free on even the minors.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about Cuba:
But thats just it, the 'bahviour' is criminal for the less man. Maybe not a crime with jailtime or whatever, or even punishment really for the asssailent, but it is grounds for several child agency actions. Including the imediate removal of children, and therapy for the assailant. It just isn't applying to MJ for some reason which makes no sense. Like I said several times before. Using his behavior as the example this time.If for instance, my daughter were to bring over some friends to sleep over or whatever. And I was fucked up like he is and decided hey! Lets get into bed with them, and I crawled into bed with the little kiddies. Assuming MJ never molested anyone we'll say I had no intent whatsoever of molesting these kiddies, I just wanted to get into bed with em. If word of that ever got out, just about every agency related to children would be all over my ass. I would be forced to undergo evaluation, have my children removed, and a myraid of other things. Believe me, they have done more on less, and within the limits of the law.
As for the last statment, I was merely pointing out that severa mental illnesses can allow an individual to be perfectly able to stand thier own trial whether or not thier illness/behaviour is even involved. You can be a freaking nutjob and still hold up fine on trial, as proven by MJ. Unfortunately his behavior IS harmful, but that was not part of the trial, only the actual charges. Mostly because they were going for the big guns. Like I said, his activities are warrant enough to remove his children and barr children from staying with him due to a harmful environment. That does not require a criminal act, just that the conditions are harmful.
You're shifting the argument from 'MJ should be intitutionalized for the good of society' to 'Rich celebrities get far better treatment under the law than everyday folk (duh)'.
What standard of mental health would you apply which woud allow a man who is fit to stand trial, sane enough to be able to judge the consequences of his actions and thus be punished for them and who the state cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt has commited a crime to be forcibly institutionalized?
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Mod gently hums:
You're jumping to a huge conclusion from "The resources spent on building MJ a golden Peter Pan statue he will stash into a bunker under Neverland and never look at again could have been put to better use" to "Maoism rules!".
Not at all: the only alternative to letting people allocate their wealth as they see fit is redistribution. Anyone who argues that a person is bad for using their resources as they see fit (within the law) is, almost by definition, arguing communist or socialist values.
If the very concept that people can spend there money as they see fit is somehow abhorrent, there really isn't an alternative philosophy.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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How.... Bloodsage.... uughhhhhh:
Not at all: the only alternative to letting people allocate their wealth as they see fit is redistribution. Anyone who argues that a person is bad for using their resources as they see fit (within the law) is, almost by definition, arguing communist or socialist values.If the very concept that people can spend there money as they see fit is somehow abhorrent, there really isn't an alternative philosophy.
What about evangelical philantropism?
I could be a pop-psychologist!
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Kait had this to say about John Romero:
It's called the Rosebud Society, and I don't donate money, I do actual work.And Fae, I can't even comprehend what you are saying. Regardless of what I say, you're going to "refute" it by insulting me and claiming I know nothing, so why bother going in circles? I'd rather save my energy for an argument I could actually give a shit about.
Nah, I like this version better.
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Quoth Kait:
WHEN DID I EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT FORCING THEM TO DONATE ALL THEIR MONEY?!?!?! My god, do you people like to jump to conclusions.
I already said my piece in my last response, I ain't repeating it.
So get off this misconception now, or risk looking like someone who doesn't read past posts
Once again, you say one thing, then argue that it means something entirely different. You said that it was a bad thing that he was spending his money in ways you don't approve while there are other people starving. It doesn't mean that you think it's funny people like them even though they don't spend their money in ways you approve.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Vorbis gently hums:
What about evangelical philantropism?I could be a pop-psychologist!
That's just another name for forced redistribution of wealth, except that instead of using physical force, one uses threats of eternal damnation (or other karmic bullying). 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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How.... Bloodsage.... uughhhhhh:
Once again, you say one thing, then argue that it means something entirely different. You said that it was a bad thing that he was spending his money in ways you don't approve while there are other people starving. It doesn't mean that you think it's funny people like them even though they don't spend their money in ways you approve.
Okay, well, that was what I meant, but maybe that's not how it came out. If that's the case, I'm sorry. I really did just mean that I don't understand why such people are so popular.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about the Spice Girls:
*distrustful stare*
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So quoth Kait:
Okay, well, that was what I meant, but maybe that's not how it came out. If that's the case, I'm sorry. I really did just mean that I don't understand why such people are so popular.
Because of music, movies, sports, etc.
They're not popular because they're rich (with a few exceptions), they're rich because they're popular. Most of the time, they're popular because in one form or another they've worked for it. You may not think that Michael Jackson did X Million dollars of work, but enough people felt he brought $14.50 (or whatever albums are these days) worth of entertainment into their lives to give him X million dollars. Just because he doesn't turn around and hand it back out doesn't mean he is a bad person. If he did, it would (in my eyes) make him a good person, but not doing so doesn't make him any worse than any of the rest of the world population that lives far above the economic standard of 'pretty damn comfortable'.
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Bloodsage had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Not at all: the only alternative to letting people allocate their wealth as they see fit is redistribution. Anyone who argues that a person is bad for using their resources as they see fit (within the law) is, almost by definition, arguing communist or socialist values.If the very concept that people can spend there money as they see fit is somehow abhorrent, there really isn't an alternative philosophy.
Yes, but disapproval of something does not always imply a wish to use force or the law to counteract the thing one disapproves of and being appaled at someone's use of a right they have does not mean that one wishes that right ot be removed from them. One can hate the KKK for being racists and voice one's disapproval of a KKK rally without being against freedom of speech / assembly.
The other thing that sunk the case was the family itself. The father and alleged molestee were caught shoplifting clothes from JCPenney, then they and the mother tried to sue JCPenney (settlement for 152 grand), then there were other celebs who'd been hit up for things like Chris Tucker had. The father's been trying to get visitation rights restored since his wife divorced him, and at the time he was alleging she'd checked herself into a mental institution for being delusional and schizophrenic.
So in any case, the situation was untenable to begin with. It was a longshot, then the prosecution put all their eggs in one basket based off of evidence that was so thin it might as well have not been there at all.
It only hurts them in the long run. The one prosecutor's apparently been building a case against Michael Jackson for over a decade and this was the summation of that? This was the best they could do?
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
Dennis Moore.... Dennis Moore...
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Faelynn LeAndris painfully thought these words up:
It just isn't applying to MJ for some reason which makes no sense. Like I said several times before. Using his behavior as the example this time.
It's because he is a celebrity, nothing more.
In our society, rich & popular people get preferential treatment. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.
Heck, the man couldnt even show up on time for court, so the judge gave him an extension, and he still missed that extension. Moreover, on the way to the courthouse his car was speeding over 90mph to get there.
Any common man would have had his butt tossed into jail twice over if he had tried that. It was pretty evident (to me at least) at that point, that MJ would never receive the same treatment as most people. Reynar fucked around with this message on 06-15-2005 at 06:09 PM.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Private Part was all like:
I'll just leave it at Michael Jackson is a black man trapped inside a white woman's body.
"Only in America can a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white man."
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Reynar had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
It's because he is a celebrity, nothing more.In our society, rich & popular people get preferential treatment. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.
Heck, the man couldnt even show up on time for court, so the judge gave him an extension, and he still missed that extension. Moreover, on the way to the courthouse his car was speeding over 90mph to get there.
Any common man would have had his butt tossed into jail twice over if he had tried that. It was pretty evident (to me at least) at that point, that MJ would never receive the same treatment as most people.
Hey, did anyone ever watch that horrible, horrible live-action movie of Rocky and Bullwinkle? I only remember one scene, in the court room with Whoopey Goldberg as the judge. The animals were in trouble for some crime or other, but Whoopey says something to the effect of "They're not criminals, they're celebrities!"
Now, if only that movie had been slightly more subtle about trying to lace a children's movie with adult references, then it might have had a chance in the box office
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Kait's account was hax0red to write:
Hey, did anyone ever watch that horrible, horrible live-action movie of Rocky and Bullwinkle? I only remember one scene, in the court room with Whoopey Goldberg as the judge. The animals were in trouble for some crime or other, but Whoopey says something to the effect of "They're not criminals, they're celebrities!"Now, if only that movie had been slightly more subtle about trying to lace a children's movie with adult references, then it might have had a chance in the box office
The original Rocky and Bullwinkle was far better at it.
1) the jury's inate feelings of guilt for convicting a blackman.
2) the jury's reluctance to convict a whiteman.
(thanks Jon)
Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
And the vasaline sleep-overs have resumed already, by the way. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 06-15-2005 at 11:48 PM.
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Maradon! had this to say about Reading Rainbow:And the vasaline sleep-overs have resumed already, by the way.
According to E! the entire Jackson family, including Michael Jackson it looks like is in the works on a Reality TV Show.... That scares me to no end.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Bloodsage was all like:
people can spend there money as
Uh oh.
Never expected to see that from you.
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Maradon! attempted to be funny by writing:And the vasaline sleep-overs have resumed already, by the way.
Apparently he promised to stop sleeping with little boys. However, he's instead off to Africa, where he can have the little boys while remaining undetected.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Tarquinn gently hums:
Uh oh.Never expected to see that from you.
Ack! That's pretty rare, indeed. Happens sometimes when I'm typing one thing and thinking about another. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
