Nothing personal against you, but I'm not interested in selling out of state. I know you're probably more trustworthy than some yokel at a gun show, but I'm not interested in the hassle with FFLs that would be required.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said this about your mom:
Frankly (and this is me the gun control guy speaking) if the point of the weapon is to save your life, then frankly shoot the guy with the biggest manstopping, no-accidental-kill-innocent-behind-thug round you can get away with and deal with the consequences later.
I shorten that to this:
Better to be Tried by 12 than carried by 6."
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Azizza had this to say about Captain Planet:
I shorten that to this:
Better to be Tried by 12 than carried by 6."
Yeah I always liked that phrase to. It's a great little "slogan"
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Maradon! had this to say about Pirotess:
I'd imagine that any large round compact would have tons of recoil though. Or am I wrong?
They'll certainly all have stiff recoil, but you'll feel them in different ways. I'll shoot a compact Glock in .45 over a full size 1911 in .45 anyday, simply because the recoil from the Glock doesn't feel quite as harsh - more of a backwards push as opposed to a sharp jerk. I'm sure some of it is probably psychosomatic, but I still notice it.
I love my Kimbers, but the damn checkering gets to be harsh on the hands after a long day of shooting. (Yeah, I'm really a pantywaist deep down inside.)
Find somewhere that you can shoot a couple compacts, first. Carrying 10 rounds of .45 isn't gonna do shit for you if you can't hit anything for your flinch. If recoil becomes an issue for you, looking at something in .40 S&W or 9mm might be prudent. You should only carry the largest caliber you can shoot quickly, consistently, and accurately.
Personally, I carry a 10mm. It's what I shoot in IDPA, and, besides, I like being different.
EDIT: Really, "tons of recoil" is relative. A small framed autoloader isn't going to deal anywhere near the kind of punishment you get from magnum chambered revolvers, but it's also going to be slightly stiffer than what you get from a full sized autoloader. Arttemis fucked around with this message on 01-10-2005 at 10:35 PM.
You want something thats easy, decently accurate, and will knock a man down. For this you need a round designed with all of these in mind. the 10mm and its little brother, the .40 S&W do these thigs very well, when loaded into a wellmade handgun.
But also, there is a reason why the 9mm is the most popular handgun cartridge in the world. It's been around for over a century, and is still used in more law enforcement and military sidearms than anything else.
The Beretta and Taurus models based of the Beretta 92, both come chambered in both 9mm and 40Smith, The Taurus being on the more wallet friendly side of things. A .45 may have some good one shot impact power, but both the 9mm and the .40 have both been proven time and again to do just as well, if not better, than the .45 in stopping men, and man sized targets. With a significant reduction in recoil.
Whoever suggested a snub nosed .38 needs to go back to thier old movies and storybooks, and never ever look at a real weapon again.
Until you have a license for concealed carry, I wouldnt even bother with a compact. They arent really worth the chance, to be honest. The shorter the barrel is, the less it makes people go "Oh fuck, I'm dead!" (Insert longwinded explanation of ballistics, comparative barrel lengths, cross comparasin of barrels and chamberings, and, of course, energy dump upon the target.) and POOF, you know why compact weapons may cost you your life, where a full size weapon would have dropped the fucker.
And remember.. if you have to shoot a second time.. thats ok.. the gun holds that many bullets for a reason.
NOW.. I reccommend...Smith & Wesson 910, 9mm. I have fired MANY, MANY of these pistols, and havent found a lemon yet. 9mm isnt the choice I would normally go fo, but it's available at every WalMart I've ever seen. And if you cant find cheap ammo, you cant practice.
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Arttemis stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
They'll certainly all have stiff recoil, but you'll feel them in different ways. I'll shoot a compact Glock in .45 over a full size 1911 in .45 anyday, simply because the recoil from the Glock doesn't feel quite as harsh - more of a backwards push as opposed to a sharp jerk. I'm sure some of it is probably psychosomatic, but I still notice it.I love my Kimbers, but the damn checkering gets to be harsh on the hands after a long day of shooting. (Yeah, I'm really a pantywaist deep down inside.)
Find somewhere that you can shoot a couple compacts, first. Carrying 10 rounds of .45 isn't gonna do shit for you if you can't hit anything for your flinch. If recoil becomes an issue for you, looking at something in .40 S&W or 9mm might be prudent. You should only carry the largest caliber you can shoot quickly, consistently, and accurately.
Personally, I carry a 10mm. It's what I shoot in IDPA, and, besides, I like being different.
EDIT: Really, "tons of recoil" is relative. A small framed autoloader isn't going to deal anywhere near the kind of punishment you get from magnum chambered revolvers, but it's also going to be slightly stiffer than what you get from a full sized autoloader.
Out of interest, what mechanism do they use to cut down on recoil, as compared to older weapons?
Edit: Whatever you two do, don't get pistols of the same caliber. It may seem like a good idea today, but when you start sniping ammo from one-another, it gets messy. And get an extra magazine or two as soon as you can afford them. Sean fucked around with this message on 01-11-2005 at 06:41 AM.
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean attempted to be funny by writing:
As far as recoil is concerned.. Hell, it all depends on what you think you can handle. I'd swear my Taurus PT-92 (9mm) gives me a bigger jolt than my boss's Kimber 1911 (.45)
I love that Kimber. God, I want one of my own. I need to stop pissing all my paychecks away into electronics,
quote:-Wtf are you talking about??? Edit: NM understand now... It really all depends on your attitude towards what you are doing... I don't think it has to be a problem as long as there is an understanding beforehand.
Edit: Whatever you two do, don't get pistols of the same caliber. It may seem like a good idea today, but when you start sniping ammo from one-another, it gets messy. And get an extra magazine or two as soon as you can afford them.
And Pvednes... H&K markets the USP as having a "Patented recoil reduction system" "was tested and proven in the HK MK 23 Caliber .45 ACP handgun designed for the U.S. Special Operations Command."
Varies gun to gun, brand to brand, and type to type. Gork fucked around with this message on 01-11-2005 at 06:07 PM.
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Pvednes had this to say about Tron:
Out of interest, what mechanism do they use to cut down on recoil, as compared to older weapons?
It all depends on what type of shooting you're in. Muzzle brakes are fairly common on race guns and competition rifles, for example. What a muzzle brake does is redirects some of the gas exiting the barrel of the gun to reduce felt recoil and muzzle movement, to allow for quicker followup shots. When you get in to sports like skeet shooting, there are things like mercurial recoil suppressors, which are more or less tubes filled with mercury that drop into your shotgun. Piston recoil suppressors are also fairly common; rather than sending the whole gun back into the shooter's shoulder, a piston is compressed.
As far as most handguns are concerned, recoil compensation is controlled mostly with spring strength and the weighting of the slide. A muzzle brake on a self defense handgun (rather than a race gun) is a pretty bad idea, since gas is vented up and back; the last thing you need when shooting at night is bright hot gas blowing into your face.
