Just admit that you screwed up, man. 
If people want to just see the movies and not worry about the books they haven't read, then tell me, why the HELL would they want to read a post about the upcoming 6th Book when it's obvious there will be information about Book 5 in that very thread? You simply cannot discuss an upcoming book without relating things that've already happened.
If I'd mentioned something from Goblet of Fire, I bet not a damn one of you would have said anything at all about it, even if there's people that haven't read it and the movie's not quite out yet.
I swear, some of you people just HAVE to have something to complain about. And you wonder why I'm getting so bitter on the boards. It's like you all forgot how to just talk and laugh with each other that you need things to bitch about so you'll feel like you're justifying your online presence. It drives me insane.
I remember the days I could make a post without umpteen jillion smiley faces in it and people would know I wasn't serious. Those were GOOD times. Now it's all just bitch bitch bitch.
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So quoth Bajah:
I won't put spoiler tags on anything over a year old. Besides, it's not like I ruined some plot or anything.
Why not? Are the extra 19 keystrokes too much effort?
You're not being singled out here. As far as I can tell, the comment about using spoiler tags was directed towards Zephyer, too.
Especially because the books are good enough (To me at least) that I read the first five in less then two days. I don't think any book took me more then 3 hours to read cover to cover.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Pirotess:
I agree with Bajah, here.Especially because the books are good enough (To me at least) that I read the first five in less then two days. I don't think any book took me more then 3 hours to read cover to cover.
So...because you're a speed reader, none of it deserves spoiler tags?
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Densetsu had this to say about Captain Planet:
So...because you're a speed reader, none of it deserves spoiler tags?
Books have been out more then a year. End of story.
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This insanity brought to you by Delphi Aegis:
Books have been out more then a year. End of story.
CURRENT BOOK IN SERIES WITH MORE TO FOLLOW. END OF STORY.
oops.
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We were all impressed when Densetsu wrote:
CURRENT BOOK IN SERIES WITH MORE TO FOLLOW. END OF STORY.
If we use the current book criteria, it's okay to talk about Faith of the Fallen (released in 2001) since Pillars of Creation is out, however Storm of Swords (released in 2000) isn't kosher. It seems counterintuitive for a newer book to be fair game but an older book not to.
However, this is all rather silly. If you post something that might be considered a spoiler, it's probably best to go ahead and put spoiler tags. Arguments like this guarantee that not doing so will result in a greater amount of work. Additionally, if you're *that* worried about spoilers, it would be a stupid idea to browse current threads on the subject. All this self-righteous squawking could be avoided with a little common sense*.
*May not actually be common
As Rabid said, a general rule of thumb is that anything you think might be a spoiler, use a spoiler tag. Being a rather large HP fan, I would say that that circumstance was a HUGE thing, and as Dens pointed out, it's in what is still the current book.
And for the record, I'm against spoiling things for anyone, about anything. I know I've brought up the spoiler tag thing in the past, and the same excuses were given then, too. So I'm not singling anyone out in this case, or just having to find something to bitch about, as you so eloquently put it, Bajah. It's been a peeve of mine for a while and as Art said, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to preserve something for someone else.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Better late than never 
Expecting people to be self concious about spoiler tags for material this old is absurd.
If people felt it was still a matter to be kept hidden, they would have used spoiler tags in the first place.
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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Cuba:
spike diesBetter late than never
Expecting people to be self concious about spoiler tags for material this old is absurd.
If people felt it was still a matter to be kept hidden, they would have used spoiler tags in the first place.
HP5 came out June of 2003. That's not old. Especially not when it's still the current book.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Nobody really understood why Elvish Crack Piper wrote:
If people felt it was still a matter to be kept hidden, they would have used spoiler tags in the first place.
So it only merits it if they feel like it?
If I feel that I can just come and take your video game console away from you because you barely even use it anymore, then that makes it okay?
Wow, I didn't know that as long as I felt that something was okay to do, then it really is okay to do! I'll have to remember that.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Duck Tales:
What was spoiled was what is basically the "big secret" of book five. It was hinted before it even came out that someone was going to die, and it was going to be someone prominent. Now because spoiler tags weren't used, the cat's out of the bag on that, at least for people who were unfortunate enough to find this thread and didn't have forewarning.As Rabid said, a general rule of thumb is that anything you think might be a spoiler, use a spoiler tag. Being a rather large HP fan, I would say that that circumstance was a HUGE thing, and as Dens pointed out, it's in what is still the current book.
And for the record, I'm against spoiling things for anyone, about anything. I know I've brought up the spoiler tag thing in the past, and the same excuses were given then, too. So I'm not singling anyone out in this case, or just having to find something to bitch about, as you so eloquently put it, Bajah. It's been a peeve of mine for a while and as Art said, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to preserve something for someone else.
Warning! Warcraft III and Starcraft spoilers in this post
Ok, but the current book came out over a year and a half ago. That's pretty old, if you're a "rather large HP fan" shouldn't you have read the book by now? If you haven't gotten to something at by a year after its release it obviously isn't that important to you. (the "you" isn't directed at anyone) The book isn't even that lengthy, it would take a weekend at most to read it.
The fact that this book is the current book is really irrelevant. Would it be bad to reveal that the Zerg are a bioweapon? After all, Starcraft is still the current game. Although, I guess I can see your point, perhaps revealing Arthas's betrayal would be worse, but you can't sey that you're a huge Starcraft, Warcraft, or whatever fan without knowing these things. And if you are, you really shouldn't be looking at threads with the title for discussion about these things.
If you don't want to spoil something for yourself COMMON SENSE says you shouldn't even be bothering to look at something that is ahead of where you are in the FIRST place... 
If you do it anyway, its your own damn fault.
Same applies for CURRENT books-movies to a lesser degree, or any other book-movie in the series you HAVEN'T YET READ/SEEN, if the thread title shows it is in any way a discussion or anything on something you have not seen and read yet, then you are walking into a KNOWN discussion, you have no one to blame but yourself. Spoiler text is redundant in the first place. In fact the most common trend around here if someone posts something along those lines is because of the fact they read or saw something they have questions about, and are going to ASK about things that happened.
I mean come on, say something like X-Men 3 or something coming out, people are going to discuss things that were hinted at, or revealed in X-Men 2 when any discussion on the subject comes up. And if they come into a thread about it not having seen X-Men 2, well that again is thier own damn fault. Jeez, use common sense... And don't make people out to be some proverbial bad guy because they spoiled soemthing you shouldn't even be bothering with in the first place.
If you hadn't read book 5, why are you even bothering to read this thread in the first place. The title of the book ALONE, or the news article, or hell EVEN THE FREAKING WEBSITE FOR THE BOOK, could have spoiled something about book 5 since it is after all a continuation. So quit yer bitchin. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 01:48 PM.
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bunch of stuff
Actually, for the first 12 posts of this thread, there was no off-topic discussion. Once Zephy posted spoiler info though, then it became a trainwreck.
There's absolutely no reason why, by the nature of the content of the original post, one should expect spoilers of anything. It was a, "The book has been announced, here's info." post. Not a "Let's talk about what we think will be in book 6 and thus, all the stuff before it!" post.
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Densetsu said this about your mom:
Actually, for the first 12 posts of this thread, there was no off-topic discussion. Once Zephy posted spoiler info though, then it became a trainwreck.There's absolutely no reason why, by the nature of the content of the original post, one should expect spoilers of anything. It was a, "The book has been announced, here's info." post. Not a "Let's talk about what we think will be in book 6 and thus, all the stuff before it!" post.
That is a pointless argument for you to make, because, as it happens ALL THE TIME, and could just as easily have happened on THIS website. Where there is info on the next item in a series of items, it USUALLY recaps on thier very own website what has or hasn't happened UP TO THAT POINT. A Synopsis, or a summary, on the site leading into whatever item is coming up. Simple fact of the matter is, ANY INFORMATION on an upcoming item in a series, be it a thread, a website, news articles, or what have you, are more than likely going to recap, review, or in otherways spoil things from instances previous to it. To think otherwise is rather, being without common sense.
And again, people are going to talk about what they think will happen in book 6, or any other item in a series. BECUASE they enjoy the series and the little things you discover. And if you'll note, most of the posts that were at the begining of this thread were over the website puzzles, so your point is irrelevant and moot.
Spoiler text is convienent, yets redudant, and should not be used as a tool to crucify someone who either forgot, or didn't bother to use it, especially under circumstances like this where if you haven't even gotten to this point in the series you shouldn't even be worried or bothering to read any information on it for the pure and simple fact any information on it could ruin something for you that you haven't gotten to yet. So again, use common sense, and you have no one to blame but yourselves. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 02:05 PM.
And Noxhil, please read before you post. I'm a large HP fan. And I also said in my very first post, it's Deth who hasn't finished the book. I've read the entire series more than once, and seen the movies numerous times. It's spoiling nothing for me.
My concern was for those it did spoil things for, like people who hadn't reached the current book, or especially new fans who enjoyed the movies and decided to catch up on a series they'd missed.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
In this case, even though the answer came first, it meant nothing at all without context. All you know is something happened to Black. Maybe he left on an urgent mission. Maybe he got kidnapped. Maybe they screwed up and threw him in prison. Maybe he got shot out of a cannon. Maybe he's invisible. Maybe he's intangible. Maybe he's inconceivable (sorry, had to). In any case, the statement screams, SPOILERS INCOMING!!17- before any actual spoilers are provided.
Besides, anyone who knew that someone was going to die at the end of book 5 already has knowledge of an event that happens at the end of book 5. Therefore, they have already read spoilers. QED or whatever. `Doc fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 02:54 PM.
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`Doc had this to say about Punky Brewster:
But why would the people who are still catching up on the older books (even #5, which has been out for over a year, as people have pointed out) read a thread about a book they're not ready for?
I don't know, maybe to find out when the next is coming out of natural curiousity?
The bottom line is: spoiler text is polite. Blabbing out something without something in the first post or title warning, or using spoiler text, is rude.
And I disagree about the forewarning you say was there, or how it's ambiguous. The big thing about this book was that someone died. When someone mentions a name and says they were mad about it, it's safe to say that's probably the person in question. So boom, the big secret of five, ruined because someone couldn't take the time to type this Lyinar Ka`Bael fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 02:58 PM.
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How.... `Doc.... uughhhhhh:
Besides, anyone who knew that someone was going to die at the end of book 5 already has knowledge of an event that happens at the end of book 5. Therefore, they have already read spoilers. QED or whatever.
That rumor was officially released before the book even came out. *I* knew someone was going to die before I read it. I just didn't know who. It was the who that came as a shock.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Regardless of whether or not the things should've been in spoiler tags, if there's any risk of having something spoiled for you, you should remove yourself from that risk. It would be nice if everything that should be in spoiler tags were, but it's obvious that people don't agree on what deserves a spoiler tag. The reader must be wary of what he or she might read, or accept the fact that he or she will have things spoiled for them.
Whenever a new movie I want to see comes out, I will not click on any thread with its name in the title until I've seen it. I won't even read any reviews of it until then. Whenever a new game I want to play comes out, I will do the same. Sure, those threads or reviews might be harmless, and spoiler free--but if they aren't, then I've just lost out on some of the wonder of the game or movie; and no amount of griefing can make me lose my memory of what happens.
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This insanity brought to you by Vorbis:Whenever a new movie I want to see comes out, I will not click on any thread with its name in the title until I've seen it. I won't even read any reviews of it until then. Whenever a new game I want to play comes out, I will do the same.
That's involving the new movie or book. That's not involving the previous movies or books. And the first post mentioned when it was due, nothing more. It's reasonable to believe the rest of the thread would be safe, especially as there were more posts that didn't reveal anything.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
quote:Emperor Palpatine survives.
See, your Snoota means your hair. So technically it's true.
Anakin becomes Darth Vader in Episode III.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Pirotess:
That's involving the new movie or book. That's not involving the previous movies or books. And the first post mentioned when it was due, nothing more. It's reasonable to believe the rest of the thread would be safe, especially as there were more posts that didn't reveal anything.
My point still stands--ultimately it's up to the reader to take precautions. No matter how safe a thread may seem it may take a sudden change in direction, or even just a slight change. It doesn't take too much thinking to deduce that a discussion about the sixth book may include details from the fifth.
You're right, it is reasonable to believe that the rest of the thread would be safe--but that belief turned out to be wrong. It would also be perfectly reasonable to believe that there wouldn't be a heated discussion about spoiler tags in this thread--also wrong. Threads have a way of changing direction quickly and without warning.
People should use spoiler tags if there is no warning of spoilers, but it's senseless to make a fuss when it doesn't happen. With just a bit of precaution, the watchful reader can protect him- or herself from unpleasant spoilers.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Lyinar Ka`Bael said:
That's involving the new movie or book. That's not involving the previous movies or books. And the first post mentioned when it was due, nothing more. It's reasonable to believe the rest of the thread would be safe, especially as there were more posts that didn't reveal anything.
No, and irrelevant. As pointed out before, this is a series, anyting AHEAD of you in the series you read at your own risk. Plain and simple, because it will usually have information, summaries, and reviews leading UP to the next installment.
Much as I said, people will talk about things from previous installments in such threads, and in such news articles and stuff because they have thier own theories about hints and clues left from before. OR just to catch everyone up on things that have happened, such as recapping what has taken place up till that point and the story picks up here type senarios.
If they read on something ahead of where they are, thier own fault. When a movie sequel comes out, same thing, hell even COMMERICIALS may ruin those purely from recapping the story from the FIRST movie.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
And Noxhil, please read before you post. I'm a large HP fan. And I also said in my very first post, it's Deth who hasn't finished the book. I've read the entire series more than once, and seen the movies numerous times. It's spoiling nothing for me.
Indeed, which is why I said
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(the "you" isn't directed at anyone)
You are arguing for a ficitious person (or Deth I guess) who sees information that they had not discovered yet. I was arguing against that fictitious person. So far, I have not seen anyone come in and actually complain that this spoiled the book for them. And it's not like the book is ruined if you know about Sirus... it's still quite fun to read.
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Noxhil thought about the meaning of life:
So far, I have not seen anyone come in and actually complain that this spoiled the book for them.
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Edit: I apologize, I must not have fully read his post Noxhil fucked around with this message on 12-23-2004 at 11:41 PM.
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Harry Potter and the Continuing Franchise.
They're actually very good books, even if they make Rowling oodles upon oodles of cash. They also get progressively thicker as they go on.. yet kids will read them.
Anyone that gets kids interested in books is a good thing in my books, even if they're living on easy street forever.
Too many kids I know, being 19, dont even consider books when they are bored and looking to do something.
