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This insanity brought to you by Maradon!:
That's the whole thing, though. We COULD build gigantic air conditioned domes if we had to. Easily.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
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Solar power, nuclear power, wind power, superconducting batteries connected to lightning rods, the list goes on.

Plenty of infinitely renewable resources out there.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 12-24-2004 at 01:19 AM.

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Verily, Maradon! doth proclaim:
That's the whole thing, though. We COULD build gigantic air conditioned domes if we had to. Easily.

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So? Not doubting that.

What's everyone in that dome going to eat, though?

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Pvednes got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
So? Not doubting that.

What's everyone in that dome going to eat, though?

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Each other.

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There was much rejoicing when Mr. Parcelan said this:
Each other.

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Good answer.

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Pvednes's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Good answer.

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Who's the last one living, though?

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Vorbis impressed everyone with:
Who's the last one living, though?

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The fattest one.

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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
The fattest one.

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I would have thought that the fattest one would be eaten first. Especially if he does his sacrifices every day.

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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Pirotess:
The fattest one.

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What about the slimiest, smelliest slob?

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Vorbis's fortune cookie read:
What about the slimiest, smelliest slob?

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It certainly wouldn't be you and your dirty alliteration.

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We were all impressed when Maradon! wrote:
Solar power, nuclear power, wind power, superconducting batteries connected to lightning rods, the list goes on.

Plenty of infinitely renewable resources out there.

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Because solar and wind power are SO reliable as it is, and provide SO much energy. And nuclear reactors can be put up in mere hours!

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Because solar and wind power are SO reliable as it is, and provide SO much energy. And nuclear reactors can be put up in mere hours!

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More extreme things have been done in the past. As for the issue of what they're going to eat, there's no reason to think the ground inside the dome wouldn't be arable, or that herds of animals couldn't be sheparded.

The crap that you and Pved are coming up with is just a bunch of speculatory doomsaying. Fact is if any ecological changes, including meteors, were going to threaten us, we'd know about it a decade in advance and devote the entirety of our technological development to solving the problem. The notion that we'd be no harder to kill off than a bunch of bears that aren't even capable of using simple tools is laughable.

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This one time, at Maradon! camp:
More extreme things have been done in the past. As for the issue of what they're going to eat, there's no reason to think the ground inside the dome wouldn't be arable, or that herds of animals couldn't be sheparded.

The crap that you and Pved are coming up with is just a bunch of speculatory doomsaying. Fact is if any ecological changes, including meteors, were going to threaten us, we'd know about it a decade in advance and devote the entirety of our technological development to solving the problem. The notion that we'd be no harder to kill off than a bunch of bears that aren't even capable of using simple tools is laughable.

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Nooooo...we wouldn't. Those near-misses with meteors in the last couple of years? Not discovered until like a month before at the earliest.

More and more, scientists are beginning to see that major changes in world climate, weather, etc, happen relatively fast, and are slow to ease off.

So you propose building a massive dome to keep everyone safe (out of what, wonderboy? Glass? Give me a break), with wind, solar, and nuclear power supplies (we'll ignore for a moment the waste that nuke plants can create, and the issues with gross inefficiency and comparably low output they have), constructed rapidly (in, let's say, a decade), in a given location by people who bicker and argue over whether or not we have the ability to get off of fossil fuels? Who haven't returned to the moon in 30 years?

Give me a break. We're more complex, but you have no sense of scale.

All it'd take to knock us to a hundred thousand neo-stoneage survivors is a big rock from space.

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Maradon! stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
What's "in the wild"? In a jungle or under the circumstances that animals survive under? No, certainly not, but remember: We changed the conditions for survival.

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We have also changed the conditions for survival for other creatures as well.

Pandas and cheetas nearly died out, but people work to save them now. Why? Because cuteness/coolness is a new survival factor. We made it one.

If they were ugly creatures, do you really think anyone on this board would give a rat's ass about if they survive or not?

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Nobody really understood why Palador ChibiDragon wrote:
If they were ugly creatures, do you really think anyone on this board would give a rat's ass about if they survive or not?

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Precisely the reason that PETA doesn't seem to care about endangered insects.

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Pvednes wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
The threat of serious ecological and climatic change getting heavy economic attention? We've had decades notice already and nothing meaningful is getting done about it.

All it'd take to knock us to a hundred thousand neo-stoneage survivors is a big rock from space.

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And I still say both you and jadeth are being deliberatly defeatist. The planet could be thrown into a hard vacuum and we could still find a way to get by in a couple hours.

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Maradon! stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Precisely the reason that PETA doesn't seem to care about endangered insects.

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PETA's a buncha self-righteous cockbites.

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Blah blah blah Maradon! blah blah blah...
And I still say both you and jadeth are being deliberatly defeatist. The planet could be thrown into a hard vacuum and we could still find a way to get by in a couple hours.

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We.. um.. ARE in a hard vacuum.

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There was much rejoicing when Palador ChibiDragon said this:
We have also changed the conditions for survival for other creatures as well.

Pandas and cheetas nearly died out, but people work to save them now. Why? Because cuteness/coolness is a new survival factor. We made it one.

If they were ugly creatures, do you really think anyone on this board would give a rat's ass about if they survive or not?

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Well, I would. Lots of species going extinct is bad news, and they are. It's still bad news even if they aren't cute and fluffy. We rely on a healthy biosphere for absolutely everything.

As for PETA, they're too busy trying to get more sheep eaten alive by maggots to do anything useful.

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So quoth Maradon!:
And I still say both you and jadeth are being deliberatly defeatist.

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Not really. While we need this planet, this planet doesn't really need us. Conditions change and all mammals, and cohorts of other things die out completely, the Earth will still be here, and it'll still have all sorts of living things on it. We just wouldn't be one of them.

The point is, it is in our best interests as a species to keep the biosphere, with everything in it, nice and pristine in the status quo, with an absolute minimum of anthrogenic climate change, keep the levels of biodiversity very high, and as such build an ecologically sustainable society; for that way we'll have a much better chance of surviving comfortably the next few millenia at the very least.

That is, provided we get a lucky streak in avoiding extinction level event asteroid strikes, and suchlike that.

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For instance, Tolkien elves don't eat much in general. The occasionally eat the Lembas bread, but it's insinuated in several places that elves don't actually subsist on much. Therefore, with no starchy foods, they couldn't rip one off often, unless of course their biology works differently. Tolkien orcs, on the other hand, are almost certainly meat eaters (and almost certainly, given certain statements, consume the carcasses of fallen foes). They're almost certain to smell rank when they crack one off.

If you're talking D&D, it depends on the breed of elf. More than any other fictional world, elves in D&D are splintered into distinctive factions. High elves and Sun elves are described as being, preferentially, predominantly vegetarian in nature. Wood elves are more likely to at times bring down game, but still not as often as humans. The Drow almost certainly eat some sort of meat (though it would be food from the Underdark and I have no idea what sort of things you get down there food-wise. Giant spiders might be like lobster? and I presume there's all sorts of mushrooms to eat.) The Frugarch (wild elves) are most likely to bring down game to consume (as well as for the game's hide). The orcs here are almost as bestial in their consumption as their Tolkien counterparts, possessing an almost locust-like proclivity for consuming all the resources in an area before moving on.

And of course if you're talking the Warcraft setting, elves are just an extremely long lived race intimately mingled with magic. There's no indication that they eat anything different from humans, or in different quantities. So a Warcraft elf's fart is probably fairly similar to a human's. They're just probably (pardon the pun) anal about not breaching etiquette by assblasting in the presence of others. Likewise, orcs in the Warcraft setting are more human like than in other settings; they eat much the same thing as humans, just in (theoretically) greater quantities. In the Horde, it's obviously the Ogres and Tauren you have to worry about (the Tauren in particular probably have some wicked farts).

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Maradon! had this to say about Knight Rider:
Vegetarian diets produce the worst farts imaginable.

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High in methane. My point was that Tolkien elves don't eat much at all and when they do consume non-esoteric substances (such as lembas bread) they do so in exceedingly small quantities, and therefore are the least offensive of the pointy-eared fart brigade.

Elves in D&D are most likely to have a variety of fart types, simply given their wide variety of foodstuffs.

Elves in Warcraft are most similar to humans, both in what they eat and how often they eat, therefore are pretty much the same as humans, although societal differences mean they aren't likely to let one go around others.

Tolkien orcs, given that they consume pretty much anything with pretty much a glutton's hunger, are probably the most rank farters, with D&D orcs a close second, and Warcraft orcs a distant third (as they're very human-like).

Not really.

Undead slaves...

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Mr. Parcelan came out of the closet to say:
We obey the laws of natural selection, but our laws are different.

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Our laws are actually no different when it comes to Darwin's theory. It still remains to be seen whether advanced intelligence is a desirable trait in a species.

Drysart fucked around with this message on 12-28-2004 at 03:04 AM.

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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Gadani said:
Maybe that's how they built The Pyramids.

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ooooo...good idea.

Depending on rank of Undead, you've got simple reanimated hunks of meat (zombies), to tortured souls (banshees and ghosts), to tainted souls (vampires). Arguably, lich souls were tainted to begin with.

Anyways, Necromancers are presented as evil because they are given the information: "You have the power to reanimate someone as a desecration of their corpse and possibly casting their soul into torment" and they do it anyways.

Fuck that. I'm turning you into a healthstone and YOU WILL LIKE IT.

If all of these people are so worried about animals becoming extinict, why haven they come up with a way to clone the animal? Even if they are "playing God" in all of this, they would be helping out the animal population.

And about the bugs, they are pests. Even if they do provide nourishment for ceratin animals.

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So quoth Private Part:
I read the posts about the endangered species and cloning and stuff and it made me think.

If all of these people are so worried about animals becoming extinict, why haven they come up with a way to clone the animal? Even if they are "playing God" in all of this, they would be helping out the animal population.

And about the bugs, they are pests. Even if they do provide nourishment for ceratin animals.

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Uh huh. So you clone a herd of nearly extinct white rhinos. Or a good number or siberian tigers. Where you gonna stick 'em? That's part of the point. It's not just that the animals are dying out due to some natural process. It's the fact that their habitat is being wiped out/overrun by humans. Even if you clone a bunch of a dying breed, you still have to put them somewhere.

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And about the bugs, they are pests. Even if they do provide nourishment for ceratin animals.

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Yeah their just 70-95% of the terrestial biomass

Environmentalists tend to operate on the flawed, semi-religious assumption that everything that exists must have a purpose.

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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
everything that exists must have a purpose.

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