And also, bringing up the whole porn issue is pretty irrelevant cause if you're using a female model just to sport wood in your favoritest of games, well, what the hell is wrong with you? 
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Azakias had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
And seeing as all a game character is made of is pixals, then why would you take something so small as a testiment to orientation?
I don't, but there are fools around who do and I take serious issue with such stupidity. If I'm gonna stare at it for hours, it might as well be a sexy female as sex doesn't really affect performance much in-game. Incidentally, I've found it easier to roleplay female characters (no, not for the free stuff, though I have managed to get plenty of it in RO...); there are people on the RO servers I've played that never had any idea I'm a guy. Hell, there are some who were told by me and others that I'm a guy and somehow forgot that fact. Testament to my femininity? I dunno, but that's how it goes. I have no concious desire to be a woman but maybe I've got some unconcious issues I don't recognize. Either way, I'm repulsed by men in just about every case and I'll never understand how people get off claiming that guys who play female characters are gay.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
But yeah, once again, I just don't know why you would play as a female (I understand it's a preference, but still)
It's the same way with guys who chronically play chicks. If you're like Fal or Fae, who PLAY CHICKS, but are themselves very MASCULINE (or in the case of Nae, made a male character but is herself very much a woman), and who can divorce their in-character and out-of-character personas, then it's not a problem. Unfortunately, most cross-gender dudes create these elaborate female personas for themselves and then let it get out of control and it's every bit as stupid as people who go off to fight "real" vampires with katanas. And it's aggravating. I'm not "on" all the time, even when I'm at the computer in a chat room, and if I were, I'd expect people to look at me funny or tell me I'm a dumbass.
Do I think it makes you a homosexual? No. But is it aggravating and frequently very stupid? Oh hell yes.
And that's not even getting into the people who deliberately misrepresent their gender and sexual orientation.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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Liam obviously shouldn't have said:
...I've told people that Maho was male, among others on the server, but they always told me I was lying, and it never really bugged me much to pursue it.
You serious? 
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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A sleep deprived Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael stammered:
[QB]It's the same way with guys who chronically play chicks. If you're like Fal or Fae, who PLAY CHICKS, but are themselves very MASCULINE (or in the case of Nae, made a male character but is herself very much a woman), and who can divorce their in-character and out-of-character personas, then it's not a problem. Unfortunately, most cross-gender dudes create these elaborate female personas for themselves and then let it get out of control and it's every bit as stupid as people who go off to fight "real" vampires with katanas. And it's aggravating. I'm not "on" all the time, even when I'm at the computer in a chat room, and if I were, I'd expect people to look at me funny or tell me I'm a dumbass.QB]
That never occurred to me. I've no idea why, but it never did. Drama was ever my thing in high school (NO, I did NOT crossdress and play any female roles) so having a character be something completely other than who and what I am is fairly normal for me.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
I play what I think fits the character concept best. Certan elements of design and personality have to come together in a character before I like them.
Do my female characters flirt with guys? Some of them do, if it's fitting to the character. But there's a serious limit to how far that goes. A few lines tossed back and forth, using turns of phrase that have a secondary meaning. Maybe a few emotes. But that's it. No cyber, or anything close to it. No in game gifts. And if they try to take it that far, I shut them down.
It's important to me to note that some of my male characters flirt with girls too. And the very same rules apply. It's a character in a game, and the real me is no more like them than I am like my female characters. Allowing anything beyond normal RP to happen would be wrong, and be a lie, no matter which gender the character is.
In a Champions (tabletop Superhero RPG) game I was in, I was playing a guy that could change into a red unicorn (which had superspeed and fire effects). The guy sitting across the table from me (he's one of the best roleplayers I know) was playing a martial artist that could create two coppies of herself. My character tended to flirt with any cute ladies he saw, and the other guy's character would flirt with any cute guys she saw. The characters met, and we spent a few game sessions with them flirting at each other, saying things with double meanings, and occasionally slipping away to do something "off camera". (And no, what happed off camera was NEVER RPed out. It was just declared they had done it, and the game moved on.) Eventually the characters moved on to other people, and that was the end of it. It was fun, required some fast thinking and good RP, but NEVER got out of character.
So yah, I play female characters. And male characters. But they are just characters. They are not me.
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Maho had this to say about Robocop:
I have little understanding for this concept but people like to throw such labels at me because I play female characters. Frankly, I've long found that I understand, identify with, and roleplay better the fairer sex. I've no attraction to men; aside from my hatred of humanity in general, I find men in particular to be most disgusting examples of our race (note: I do, in fact, include myself in this). So, with these things in mind, explain to me, with good reasoning and logic, how labelling me and other guys like me as homosexuals due to choice of gender in a video game is justifiable in your eyes.This is a -MAJOR- pet peeve of mine.
People tend not to roll-play their emotions when getting to know someone beyond the character.
Calling you a fag is a defense mechanism when finding out you are not what you were portraying to them.
Most emotional reactions (anger) are not logical to begin with. So giving you a logical reason is difficult.
Many people both male and female equate feminine like males to homosexuality.
I can see that.
"Transgender" is probably a better label. 
Seek help; it's obvious there are issues there.
Other than your stated reasons, there's nothing wrong with playing female characters in games, though. Hell, I often do, especially in third-person games where you have to spend hours and hours looking at the 'toon; I'd rather look at a hot 'toon in a chainmail bikini than some half-naked barbarian dude any day.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
In graphics-based games, where gender rarely matters and roleplay is either optional or impossible, females typically make better eye candy. My gender choice in these games depends mainly on whether I want eye candy, and how characters of each gender look during character creation.
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From the book of Faelynn LeAndris, chapter 3, verse 16:
I'm also known around EC as one of the original sluts, hence my title that has remained the same for so many years even though it no longer applies,... Again not sure if I should be proud of that or not.I had people everywhere, including ECers call me a liar when I kept telling them I was a guy, it took almost 2 years before a lot people actually accepted the fact I was a GUY, not a GIRL, I AM A GUY!
Yer still hawt chix. 
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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
So. . .let me get this straight. . .you understand and identify with women more than men. . .and you think all men are scum. . .but you resent the label "fag."I can see that.
"Transgender" is probably a better label.
Seek help; it's obvious there are issues there.
No issues at all. I just spent more time around women than men for most of my life and lacked a strong male figure for that time. Thus I developed an effeminate personality. It's not a big deal, I just get damned sick of dumb fucks who equate my lack of prominant masculinity as homosexuality. Ok, so I prefer looking at a female character and I can roleplay said character better than I could a male, big whoopdy fucking doo, that has nothing to do with my sexuality.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Maradon! probably says this to all the girls:
1) Your claims about DoA and such are basically correct except for one thing - Nobody talks about playing as the hot characters. Nobody shows any predilection toward playing a female character just because it's attractive. You never hear anyone say "Ivy is my favorite character to use, because she's hot." I've only ever heard that sort of claim come from someone who plays a female character in every other game they play.2) The "I just don't like looking at guys" claim doesn't hold water either, primarily because it's a little hard to believe that you're so utterly repulsed by the male form that you can't stand to look at the back of a guy's head on the few occasions that your attention can be spared for idle activity, but also because even in games where you never, ever see your character model (Unreal Tournament comes to mind) you still use the female player models.
3) This claim doesn't explain the fact that both you and Fal portray yourselves as female outside the games you play as well. I've never seen either of you use a sigpic that wasn't obviously female.
1) Wrong, in fact we have had entire conversations on these boards about who likes to play Sophita or Cassandra more for the gratuidous pantyshots and thier hotness, likewise for Helena vs Kasumi based purely on thier hotness... In DoA even there have been whole conversations about what the hottest costume for them to wear while playing them is the best and how to unlock it. You're wrong there.
2) I never said I was utterly repulsed by the male figure, I said I didn't like it, and if given the CHOICE I'd rather look at a female. If there is no female model to play, I'm prefectly fine, but given a choice I will always gravitate towards playing a female model because I like them better. Plain and simple. And for the record I play a male in games like Unreal Tournament, unless its MY Server and I specifically take out all the models myself so ALL the characters are female. Cause I usually have the most perverted sexual half naked female models running around my own personal UT games. I assume you brought this up because of the times you tried to join my UT server. So incase you didn't notice ALL of the models were female. I turned off the male models. In UT2K4 for example I played the big hulking tech guys, ask Moogle or anyone else, that I played with. I think the only other exception was Tribes 2 when that was going around on here.
3) I do not protray myself as a woman... In fact I spent years trying to lose the slut stigam from the RP days of EC. Claiming my sigpic is an example of my representation is completely flawed. For one, I have had q few male sigpics depending on what I had done at the time, but to be perfectly honest you are right. I rarely if ever have male sigpics. The reason being I refuse, and have NEVER used, a sigpic of something I did NOT draw myself. I wont do it, and that has been the case since I joined here. And I'm sorry, I don't draw guys, I think the male body is a bit ugly, and I didn't like looking at it long enough to learn how to draw it well. Hell you already claimed I had a problem with drawing my women to 'butch' for you. So I don't see why THAT should be a problem. The fact of the matter is, if I didn't draw it or make it somehow, I'm not going to use it. And I don't draw men, nor do I like the look of men.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Faelynn LeAndris said:
All sorts of stuff
Owned.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Maho's fortune cookie read:
No issues at all. I just spent more time around women than men for most of my life and lacked a strong male figure for that time. Thus I developed an effeminate personality. It's not a big deal, I just get damned sick of dumb fucks who equate my lack of prominant masculinity as homosexuality. Ok, so I prefer looking at a female character and I can roleplay said character better than I could a male, big whoopdy fucking doo, that has nothing to do with my sexuality.
Sorry, but what you said in your first post is prima facie evidence of issues with your sexuality. C'mon--self-loathing based on your gender? Identify with women?
You don't need to be Freud to read those tea leaves. Seek help.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
It often depends on what type of personality I want my character to have, and whether that personality "feels" feminine or masculine.
It is harder to play the role of a female in a role played game, because, as a male, I don't think truely like a female, but I just consider it part of the challenge and the fun of the role. As with all role playing, you get to be someone other than yourself for a change.
The one thing I will NOT do is do the sexual type roleplay as a female that some people do online, either in forums, games or IMing. Everyone has to draw a line somewhere, and that's where I draw mine.
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Bloodsage Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Sorry, but what you said in your first post is prima facie evidence of issues with your sexuality. C'mon--self-loathing based on your gender? Identify with women?You don't need to be Freud to read those tea leaves. Seek help.
This hurts ... but I agree.
I knew some guys from SWG that had female characters and I knew some women with male characters. Most of their rollplaying was a portrayal of what
they wish their real-life relationships could be (if even in one).
Does it make them homosexuals ?.. no. Did most of them have unaddressed issues? yep.
Due to this, my latest DnD character has ended up a Female Half Elf. I've no problem with playing the character. Sometimes it's fun to play something out of the ordinary.
I don't think calling someone a homosexual for anything other than sexual preference fits by definition, and so it should be avoided.
Okay I really don't care for playing the opposite gender simply for the fact that I'm not them, and can't exactly react like they do, and in the two circumstances where I have played a game as a female(NWN being both of them) I ended like some horribly destructive and violent dike.
I still complain about YOTC because I have yet to see him play h a male character when there is the option to be the female.
I tend to play my characters fairly gender-neutral, and while I'll humor a guy flirting with a female character, I don't usually flirt back, and I flat out tell them I'm a guy if I feel it's getting out of hand. My female enchanter has become my favorite character not because I enjoy roleplaying her, but because she's able to get groups the most often out of pretty much any of my characters. She just advances at the right pace for me.
Does it make you effeminate? Perhaps.
Does being effeminate make you a homosexual? No, but it doesn't help the case.
But, seeing as everyone here knows that I'm really a guy, I don't see an issue with it.
So, sorry buddy.
Oh yeah, you said:
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outside games as well.
Ask any of the various ECers that have met me IRL. I'm very much a man. I don't cross dress or attempt to make people think I'm a woman outside of game. If they ask in game, I tell them. On the boards, I make it known I'm really a guy. Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 11-05-2004 at 07:43 PM.
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Falaanla Marr was listening to Cher while typing:
But, seeing as everyone here knows that I'm really a guy, I don't see an issue with it. And I'm not changing my name (though I've considered it) because then my name wouldn't be green anymore
I thought you were female when I first came here. For, like, a week.
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Gadani had this to say about (_|_):
I thought you were female when I first came here. For, like, a week.
And then you found out otherwise.
It isn't like I try to keep it some deep dark secret.
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Falaanla Marr stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
And then you found out otherwise.It isn't like I try to keep it some deep dark secret.
Oh, I know. I was just saying
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Falaanla Marr was all like:
And then you found out otherwise.It isn't like I try to keep it some deep dark secret.
You're not Kekvit.
Unconsciously, I roleplay my characters, no matter WHERE THEY ARE. If they're in the most useless, non-roleplaying thing imaginable, the same applies. I can't help it. Making it impossible for me to play a male. Which means I am utterly ininterested in Fable 
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent -Yuri- said:
I am a man. I play male characters.Women are women. They play female characters.
pssst. They're not really elves, either. Don't sweat it.
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Maho said this:
Owned.
That's just childish. Nobody is posting in this thread to 'own' eachother. You asked for opinions and we are giving them. Don't be arrogant.
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Callalron said this:
pssst. They're not really elves, either. Don't sweat it.
Whhaaa?
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-Yuri- wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Whhaaa?
In real life, people aren't elves. They play them in role-playing games.
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Gadani said this:
In real life, people aren't elves. They play them in role-playing games.
I realize that. I was more asking for the relevance of that statement to what I stated as an opinion on gender relations in gaming.
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-Yuri- thought about the meaning of life:
I realize that. I was more asking for the relevance of that statement to what I stated as an opinion on gender relations in gaming.
Here.
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Yuri:
I am a man. I play male characters.
Women are women. They play female characters.
Here you are saying that you are a male IRL and a male character. You are also saying that 'RL' females are females IRL and play female characters.
Callalron is saying that 'RL' humans are humans, yet sometimes they play elves.
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Falaanla Marr Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Ask any of the various ECers that have met me IRL. I'm very much a man. I don't cross dress or attempt to make people think I'm a woman outside of game. If they ask in game, I tell them. On the boards, I make it known I'm really a guy.
LIAR, your bathroom smelled like vanilla!
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-Yuri- had this to say about the Spice Girls:
[QB]That's just childish. Nobody is posting in this thread to 'own' eachother. You asked for opinions and we are giving them. Don't be arrogant. QB]
*gasp* Humor! OMGWTF!? What a concept, eh?
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Maho had this to say about the Spice Girls:
*gasp* Humor! OMGWTF!? What a concept, eh?
It wasn't humorous.
It's not something people hear about.
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Addy had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
LIAR, your bathroom smelled like vanilla!
After you showered daily in there it did.
Maho, we aren't homosexual for playing female characters. You can confirm that with my girlfriend. 
