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Pvednes had this to say about pies:
I assure you it's not. There is a really quite noticable difference...battery chicken is bland, free-range chicken is distinctly tastier. It's in the feed, I think...
Correct. The difference in diet is the primary reason.
They're just tastier eggs. 
And I'm never quoting you again because fixing your color tags is irritating.
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Maradon! spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Meat is far, far more sustaining than vegetables. One one includes meat in one's diet, the amount of vegetables one must eat decreases dramatically, and many little furry lives are saved.
Having the authority to speak on what my diet was like before becoming a vegetarian and after becoming a vegetarian forces me to disagree with you.
From my personal experience, the only differences in diet between the two have been; More breads, no more meats.
So, unless you have a way of proving that bread is made with dead orphans, you're quite wrong on that.
Which leads me to the question--how am I making a logical fault? Vorbis fucked around with this message on 10-15-2004 at 10:34 PM.
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We were all impressed when JooJooFlop wrote:
Correct. The difference in diet is the primary reason.
So feed cage chicken whatever they feed free range chicken! What an idea!
I'm going to be a MILLIONAIRE! Maradon! fucked around with this message on 10-15-2004 at 10:35 PM.
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Maradon! spewed forth this undeniable truth:
So feed cage chicken whatever they feed free range chicken! What an idea!I'm going to be a MILLIONAIRE!
You're going to be poor, since the free range farmers make more money from the "I feel bad about eating meat but like it!" crowd, and the battery farmers make more money in sheer size and output from the growth hormone and shit.
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Vorbis thought about the meaning of life:
Having the authority to speak on what my diet was like before becoming a vegetarian and after becoming a vegetarian forces me to disagree with you.
There's a difference between "has to" and "chooses to"
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From my personal experience, the only differences in diet between the two have been; More breads, no more meats.
Wait, didn't you just disagree to that when I said it?
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Which leads me to the question--how am I making a logical fault?
Including meat in your diet saves the lives of animals. If you'd read the site I linked, all the facts are on there, and they did figure in the vegetables involved in a carnivorous diet.
Believe what you want. For the first time I can recall I'm starting to feel really bad about arguing with you over this since you're generally amicable about it and not forcing the idea on anyone. I keep imagining you with a thought bubble coming out of your head. The bubble has a ham in it, and you're crying. It makes me sad Maradon! fucked around with this message on 10-15-2004 at 10:42 PM.
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Maradon! enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
by which I mean I didn't notice a difference.And I'm never quoting you again because fixing your color tags is irritating.
Quote the post whole and you don't have to touch em.
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Verily, Pvednes doth proclaim:
I assure you it's not. There is a really quite noticable difference...battery chicken is bland, free-range chicken is distinctly tastier. It's in the feed, I think...Especially the eggs. Free range eggs are very different. Get some free range eggs and normal eggs and try them together sometime...you'd be surprised.
I remember watching for the first time when my grandfather cut the head off a chicken. Of course I was 8 at the time and it scared the piss out of me. We then consumed it later for dinner. 
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We were all impressed when Lechium wrote:
I remember watching for the first time when my grandfather cut the head off a chicken. Of course I was 8 at the time and it scared the piss out of me. We then consumed it later for dinner.
I remember when I was a kid, we were over my aunts and we were boiling live crabs. My cousins were freaking out all over the place.
Later, after we'd eaten, my brother and I freaked them out further by manipulating the tendons in the claws to seem like they were still moving.
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This one time, at Maradon! camp:
Including meat in your diet saves the lives of animals. If you'd read the site I linked, all the facts are on there, and they did figure in the vegetables involved in a carnivorous diet.Believe what you want. For the first time I can recall I'm starting to feel really bad about arguing with you over this since you're generally amicable about it and not forcing the idea on anyone. I keep imagining you with a thought bubble coming out of your head. The bubble has a ham in it, and you're crying. It makes me sad
I never did like ham, even when I was a voracious meat eater. It tasted like someone had taken decent meat, dropped it in a soiled jock strap, and shoved it behind a radiator to me. I've occasionally missed bacon, but when I smelt it, even when craving it I just didn't have any desire for it anymore.
Looking a bit more carefully, and actually thinking about where bread comes from ( ) I'm seeing a bit where you're getting your point about the casualties in a vegan diet. After reading the site you linked, though, I noticed that it was arguing against a vegan diet as opposed to a vegetarian diet. With a vegetarian diet the numbers are going to be significantly different--like I said, I only eat a little bit more bread (so chalk some more field critters' lives to me) than I used to in exchange for all the meat I used to (several times per day, so take away some large critters' lives from me).
With that adjustment I don't know where my numbers would be better; and who is ultimately right about it. That doesn't really matter so much; I feel better with my current diet--and I know that is possibly self-deluding and definitely selfish of me--than I would with meat in my mouth. Vorbis fucked around with this message on 10-15-2004 at 11:06 PM.
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How.... Pvednes.... uughhhhhh:
I eat free-range meat for the simple reason that it tastes better.If you're concerned with flavour, eat free range meat.
Yo, comeing from 2 recent discussions involveing my uncle, grandfather and my old man, all of which have raised cattle, and in some cases still do. The whole idea that Free range tastes better is really debatable, just like saying Angus cattle has better taste. The diffrence you might get is in Toughness. Unless you hit a big species change, the taste is same, in fact you should get better beef (More Marbleization of fat in the meat) from Normal cattle because they tend to fatten them up a bit more and the don't run around and fight as much. Hell some of the Best beef they have said they have eaten were Dairy cows that have past away on the farm, they have like higher fat content, just like Game, They all confirm that ehile the bucks may make nice trophys, the cows are better eating. Peter fucked around with this message on 10-16-2004 at 04:08 PM.
--A good example is Beef and Bison meat taste the same, the diffrence is Bison meat is lean with out much fat so it is a bit tougher and denser.
