So you'd all kick my ass, but I'll still play later tonight. 
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Gikk had this to say about Tron:
Take a horse.Make it good.
Then.. Boom.
Does every animal do this? If you go evil with a horse does it become a Nightmare? Flaming mane and hooves?
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Bummey the Fool had this to say about John Romero:
Don't play online, ever. The only people that play online are german über gamers who will show you no mercy.I joined an online game and, literally, within 10 seconds, his creature had walked across the entire continent (took about 3 steps, because it was FUCKING HUGE), captured every town ON THE WAY OVER (again, because it was FUCKING HUGE), and proceeded to launch fireballs at my temple, killing it within said 10 seconds.
At the end of the game, in the "Haha you just got owned" chat room feature they so graciously put in, the german guy said "Me play long time" and left.
HAHAHA I remember that game! That was great... i mean bad. But we had that better game after where we teamed up on this one guy and threw lvl3 fireballs at hime the whole time.
Strippers are people too; naked people who may be willing to pleasure you for a price you negotiate later behind the curtain of the VIP room. Besides, they're already dead inside.
[ 03-30-2004: Message edited by: Gikk ]
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Gikk's fortune cookie read:
Evil horse:
http://www.planetblackandwhite.com/images/image.asp?/blackandwhit e/creatures/horsee.jpgWhole chart is here: http://www.planetblackandwhite.com/blackandwhite/creatures/
And you can use the handy dandy creature switcher to get what you want. ^_~
I'll post it later tonight, since I don't know where I put it. I have the extranious files, too. (at home)
Also, I have the files, if someone else has a place to host them.
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This insanity brought to you by Gikk:
What's the prob, Kat? Are you on IRC?Also, I have the files, if someone else has a place to host them.
I installed it to my comp and when I start it up, it'll give you the mini-screen with Black and White then that'll disappear as the actual program will start but the program only flashes a transparent screen real quick and shuts itself down. No error messages or anything. I was reading through the Readme files and Tech Support on the B&W official website and it says that only Win95/98/2000/Me were supported. B&W supposedly isn't supported on NT, so I'm taking that it isn't on XP either.
Try booting it off the computer, and not the CD.
DON'T touch the keyboard or mouse for any reason, and let me know if a white mouse arrow appears.
Make sure you've rebooted, as well. As a bonus, have you patched it? There's a patch that increases stability on the BW website.
And I'm glad to see you enjoying the copy of B&W, Gikk. ^_^
Had to get the 1.2 patch that cures alot of XP problems.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Katrinity was all like:
I got it working thanks to Gikk!Had to get the 1.2 patch that cures alot of XP problems.
1.1 worked fine for me, patching to 1.2 caused even more grief for me. For one, no spash screen even, just a little white square. Lots of crashing issues.
I didn't have any real issues until patching to 1.2. Before It would auto-minimize itself when it first started if you clicked the mouse. (You had to do this or it wouldn't work later) then once it minimize to taskbar, just click it again to go back to it. (Like alt-tabing) Afterwards it just liked to crash.
You do realize, patch 1.2 changes NONE of the stability issues. It is a MultiPlayer Addition patch ONLY. It is basically Patch 1.1 with Multiplayer Additions such as Winning Conditions on MP Maps. You should read the ReadMe that comes with it. Patch 1.1 is the official patch that handled the Stability issues, 1.2 does nothing in that regard. (Even quoted as much on the release notes.)
B&W still isn't supported on XP, in fact its not even supported at ALL anymore. There seems to be quite a few issues with using it on XP, especially if you read the baords about it. One main thing appears to be that B&W will not run correctly, if it runs at all, on a non-Adminstrator account on XP. YOu have to have Admin Righst on your user account to run it properly, or at all. And various other issues, such as Video Drivers, and Sound Drivers, and Direct X being more advanced now, causing some issues.
Windows 98 Compatibility mode won't help you all that much. It's just outdated software meant to be used on older systems.
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Niklas got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
I had a psychotic, constipated sheep who kicked the ass of creatures three times his size
Ditto, cept it was a tiger...
I was told he grows faster if in his pen, and it was suggested that if you need a break from watching your pet, you can block him off in his pen... I did that, and he just snapped. He had learned fireball and just went nuts casting it on my Temple and the rocks barring his path, then when he got out he started burning down my villiage.. after a minute or so of all this, its liek he was sorry, and he went around casting water on all the fires and fixing the people.
Although he was potty trained and only went potty in fields (Its fertilizer, helps em grow faster) or behind rocks. The only time he pooed anywhere else was when he took a shit in town square, but the villiagers liked that, and constantly danced around the pile of shit until it was a holy relic.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about John Romero:
1.1 worked fine for me, patching to 1.2 caused even more grief for me. For one, no spash screen even, just a little white square. Lots of crashing issues.I didn't have any real issues until patching to 1.2. Before It would auto-minimize itself when it first started if you clicked the mouse. (You had to do this or it wouldn't work later) then once it minimize to taskbar, just click it again to go back to it. (Like alt-tabing) Afterwards it just liked to crash.
You do realize, patch 1.2 changes NONE of the stability issues. It is a MultiPlayer Addition patch ONLY. It is basically Patch 1.1 with Multiplayer Additions such as Winning Conditions on MP Maps. You should read the ReadMe that comes with it. Patch 1.1 is the official patch that handled the Stability issues, 1.2 does nothing in that regard. (Even quoted as much on the release notes.)
B&W still isn't supported on XP, in fact its not even supported at ALL anymore. There seems to be quite a few issues with using it on XP, especially if you read the baords about it. One main thing appears to be that B&W will not run correctly, if it runs at all, on a non-Adminstrator account on XP. YOu have to have Admin Righst on your user account to run it properly, or at all. And various other issues, such as Video Drivers, and Sound Drivers, and Direct X being more advanced now, causing some issues.
Windows 98 Compatibility mode won't help you all that much. It's just outdated software meant to be used on older systems.
Well without 1.2 I couldn't get it even to start. It'd close itself and shut down a few seconds into it.
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Katrinity attempted to be funny by writing:
Well without 1.2 I couldn't get it even to start. It'd close itself and shut down a few seconds into it.
That wouldn't be because of 1.2, you had to have changed some options, or allowed the machine the catch up when it minimized, or not have installed 1.1 already. There were no fixes for stability in 1.2 at all. All changes were MP changes, it did however INCLUDE all the changes made in the 1.1 patch, but it also added some instability on nVidia Chipset, and caused some systems to crash before the game even loaded because of the changes added to MP Win Conditions. It's in the ReadMe for the patch, and on the website.
Lionhead even commented on it, and the issues surrounding Win2K and subsequently XP.
And are you talking just minimizing to the taskbar when you start up? Cause it'll do that regardless.
Neither 1.2 or 1.3 Releases were official or supported Patches, even when B&W was still supported. [ 04-01-2004: Message edited by: Faelynn LeAndris ]
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Faelynn LeAndris probably says this to all the girls:
That wouldn't be because of 1.2, you had to have changed some options, or allowed the machine the catch up when it minimized, or not have installed 1.1 already. There were no fixes for stability in 1.2 at all. All changes were MP changes, it did however INCLUDE all the changes made in the 1.1 patch, but it also added some instability on nVidia Chipset, and caused some systems to crash before the game even loaded because of the changes added to MP Win Conditions. It's in the ReadMe for the patch, and on the website.Lionhead even commented on it, and the issues surrounding Win2K and subsequently XP.
And are you talking just minimizing to the taskbar when you start up? Cause it'll do that regardless.
Sweety...trust me, I did everything under the sun, reinstalled, redownloaded the 1.1 patch, tried it again, rebooted, tried it again, then I downloaded and installed the 1.2 patch, tried it and it worked fine.
No, not talking about the minimizing. When the actual exe program would start up, it'd flash like it was about to go upon the screen then close itself completely. No show on the taskbar or the task manager. [ 04-01-2004: Message edited by: Katrinity ]
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Katrinity had this to say about Robocop:
Sweety...trust me, I did everything under the sun, reinstalled, redownloaded the 1.1 patch, tried it again, rebooted, tried it again, then I downloaded and installed the 1.2 patch, tried it and it worked fine.No, not talking about the minimizing. When the actual exe program would start up, it'd flash like it was about to go upon the screen then close itself completely. No show on the taskbar or the task manager.
*shrug*
If it worked it worked. There were no changes to stability in 1.2 over 1.1, so I couldn't tell you why. All it did was include the changes made in 1.1 in the 1.2 patch.
You can also patch to 1.3 without issue as long as you haven't patched to 1.2 previously, although it adds nothing except Glove support, and causes more issues that it fixes. Patching to 1.3 after patching to 1.2 will break it all together.
In either case, you can go here and find various ansewers to issues surrounding B&W, and specifically those in XP. Even completely up to date, and patched, some people still can't run it under XP.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Faelynn LeAndris said:
That wouldn't be because of 1.2, you had to have changed some options, or allowed the machine the catch up when it minimized, or not have installed 1.1 already. There were no fixes for stability in 1.2 at all. All changes were MP changes, it did however INCLUDE all the changes made in the 1.1 patch, but it also added some instability on nVidia Chipset, and caused some systems to crash before the game even loaded because of the changes added to MP Win Conditions. It's in the ReadMe for the patch, and on the website.Lionhead even commented on it, and the issues surrounding Win2K and subsequently XP.
And are you talking just minimizing to the taskbar when you start up? Cause it'll do that regardless.
Neither 1.2 or 1.3 Releases were official or supported Patches, even when B&W was still supported.
Actually, 1.2 does solve some of the compatibilty issues.
Evidence in point, it -did- help Kat. She didn't change ANY options. It crashed and crashed - then she upgraded to 1.2, and it was fine. She had 1.1 installed previously, and it kept crashing - it wasn't the mouse bug either, though she was getting that with Creautre Isle.
I had the same issue - running XP, until I patched to 1.2 (even though I had already patched to 1.1), it would show the 2/3 screen of the logo, flash black, and poof. Desktop. No error message, no nothing. Rebooting did not help. So I repatched - with 1.1. And uninstalled. And reinstalled, and patched.
Nothing.
Then... then I installed 1.2, when I found it on http://www.planetblackandwhite.com . And it worked. I had the mouse problem, then - which I fixed by uninstalling that window's quickfix.
So either way, 1.2 -does- help.
If you look on google, there are a -lot- of forum pages tlaking about how people with XP or 2000 who can't get the game to run being told by EA to run 1.2 - or others tell them the same, and it -works-.
The white mouse while clicking this isn't 'nessecary' - it's a bug brought on by Windows Quickfix KQ24142. http://216.239.39.1 04/search?q=cache:fpdOwkwPcWMJ:www.gametalk.com/talk/pc/black_and_white/64093847.htm+black+and+white+patch+1.2+Windows+XP&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Also: I don't know how much of that you've read (the thread you posted) but it was started less then 2 months after 1.2 was made. It may not have made the rounds at that point that it was a fix. Also, at the end of that thread, most poeple are suggesting 1.2 as a viable recourse for not-workingness. [ 04-01-2004: Message edited by: Gikk ]
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Gikk had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Actually, 1.2 does solve some of the compatibilty issues.Evidence in point, it -did- help Kat. She didn't change ANY options. It crashed and crashed - then she upgraded to 1.2, and it was fine. She had 1.1 installed previously, and it kept crashing - it wasn't the mouse bug either, though she was getting that with Creautre Isle.
I had the same issue - running XP, until I patched to 1.2 (even though I had already patched to 1.1), it would show the 2/3 screen of the logo, flash black, and poof. Desktop. No error message, no nothing. Rebooting did not help. So I repatched - with 1.1. And uninstalled. And reinstalled, and patched.
Nothing.
Then... then I installed 1.2, when I found it on http://www.planetblackandwhite.com . And it worked. I had the mouse problem, then - which I fixed by uninstalling that window's quickfix.
So either way, 1.2 -does- help.
If you look on google, there are a -lot- of forum pages tlaking about how people with XP or 2000 who can't get the game to run being told by EA to run 1.2 - or others tell them the same, and it -works-.
The white mouse while clicking this isn't 'nessecary' - it's a bug brought on by Windows Quickfix KQ24142. http://216.239.39.1 04/search?q=cache:fpdOwkwPcWMJ:www.gametalk.com/talk/pc/black_and_white/64093847.htm+black+and+white+patch+1.2+Windows+XP&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Also: I don't know how much of that you've read (the thread you posted) but it was started less then 2 months after 1.2 was made. It may not have made the rounds at that point that it was a fix. Also, at the end of that thread, most poeple are suggesting 1.2 as a viable recourse for not-workingness.
Actually most of my information came from the OFFICIAL site, and the ReadMe's included in those patches. 1.2 and 1.3. And the fact they are unsupported. EVen in the links you provided the actually information says SOME users, and that it adversely effects OTHER users. (In your own links even.)
Which pretty much agrees with what I said that it causes issues for other users, which is exactly what I said. Even in the ReadMe's and documentation they say that the patches include no changes to stability over those included in the 1.1 Patch, just that THOSE changes were included as well. (In the ReadMe's of the patches.) So if changes came about it has to do with the changes made to the MP issues. Which can supposedly beneficial affect some people being able to play, and adversely effect others. (Also an official statement, and included in the ReadMe)
As for your nessesary Windows Quickfix KQ24142 being a bug. I have not installed it, and also none of the hotfixes that were claimed to be errors. Yet, still there.
The thread started less that two months after? It had already started making the rounds, and the most RECENT post on that thread was Yesterday. You can note, several posts that claim 1.2 cause other issues, as well as not working either for various people. Just as much as those claiming it did. I read the whole thread personally, as well as a few others, because I had issues of my own to resolve.
In my experience, if you are having any problems with it after you have installed 1.1, then install 1.2.
If it messes things up, uninstall, and go back to 1.1.
However, you are saying there 'is no way' that 1.1 can be helpful, and it must 'be something else'.
It's not something else. I used -your- thread for an example - people recommend that if 1.1 doesn't cut it, install 1.2. While it's not a cure-all-ills, it helps. Yes, for some poeple it doesn't work - but if you are having issues ANYWAY, like Kat was, then it certainly may help.
I've been working with B&W since it came out, when there -wasn't- a 1.2. And it sucked. On my other comp (without Win XP - had 98 SE) It STILL crashed all the time. So you do what you can. I've wrangled with it for hours - and I'll get the actual file name for that quickfix - it's under add and remove programs.
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Problem:
Black & White seems to minimize & crash whenever I click.Cause:
There was a bug/security hole in Windows XP that allowed a malicious user to abuse the windows controls (textbox, scrollbar, etc) when logged in a an user. Seriously. Microsoft distributed a patch through WindowsUpdate, and that patch somewhat broke the game.Solution:
Put this in Start -> Run
%windir%\$NTUninstallKB824141$\spuninst\spuninst
I mistyped the quickfix number.
It's KB824141.
It's fixed every floating mouse problem I've had.
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Gikk wrote this stupid crap:
This isn't somethign to get all upset over -In my experience, if you are having any problems with it after you have installed 1.1, then install 1.2.
If it messes things up, uninstall, and go back to 1.1.
However, you are saying there 'is no way' that 1.1 can be helpful, and it must 'be something else'.
It's not something else. I used -your- thread for an example - people recommend that if 1.1 doesn't cut it, install 1.2. While it's not a cure-all-ills, it helps. Yes, for some poeple it doesn't work - but if you are having issues ANYWAY, like Kat was, then it certainly may help.
I've been working with B&W since it came out, when there -wasn't- a 1.2. And it sucked. On my other comp (without Win XP - had 98 SE) It STILL crashed all the time. So you do what you can. I've wrangled with it for hours - and I'll get the actual file name for that quickfix - it's under add and remove programs.
I mistyped the quickfix number.
It's KB824141.
It's fixed every floating mouse problem I've had.
Who said I was getting upset over it. 
In fact if you look at my first line in my responce to Kat I said "If it worked it worked".
The thing is you are pushing it to DO IT DO IT, like in Mar's thread for instance where he wasn't having issues to begin with, without even explaining that it can actually BREAK it instead of fix it, or at the very least not help at all.
I already said it worked for some, but it had issues, and I said what was included in the ReadMe for the patches themselves, which is info that people should kinda know before they install it. Much like installing a new Driver Release for Vid Cards, and Morty says DO NOT INSTALL THE Detonators unless you are having issues because there are problems with it.
In Kats case it worked, in Mar's case, it may have the potential to mess up his game or do nothing. You can't just say do it, and not mention the drawbacks that it may cause. Especially if they really like the game and thier progress, because of the potential damage to profiles if something goes wrong. In Kat's case, wasn't an issue cause she never even got to play long enough to develope a profile.
Sometimes (I've installed/uninstalled at least 12 times over the past year and some) you just get installed that spin a LOT. Which shouldn't happen, but.. wierdly, it does.
B&W is one of the wierdest games I've seen in a long time - in a firend's of mine's game, every texture is rainbowed - and she even has her current drivers.
I personally havn't heard of 1.2 breaking anyone's comp other then yours, assuming they have all thier drivers updated. When I had given that advice, the same thought process followed.
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Katrinity had this to say about Duck Tales:
I read the PlanetB&W FAQ sheet and it clearly said that Home Edition XP does not work whatso ever, but it'll work some of the time with Professional XP.
I use XP Home, and it plays flawlessly, for the most part. Some issues, but not too bad, and nothing in a while 
So would seem thats mostly incorrect. If you are talking about the Technical Support FAQ on thier site anyway where it ansewers running under Windows XP.
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Gikk spewed forth this undeniable truth:
... It -may- have helped the disk spin issue if he couldn't find a no-cd thing.Sometimes (I've installed/uninstalled at least 12 times over the past year and some) you just get installed that spin a LOT. Which shouldn't happen, but.. wierdly, it does.
B&W is one of the wierdest games I've seen in a long time - in a firend's of mine's game, every texture is rainbowed - and she even has her current drivers.
I personally havn't heard of 1.2 breaking anyone's comp other then yours, assuming they have all thier drivers updated. When I had given that advice, the same thought process followed.
It doesn't break my computer, it breaks the game to where it wont run anymore, which is what most peopel were trying to fix. There are PLENTY of responces saying that it wont run at all anymore after the 1.2 patch, when it ran, albeit with issues, at least with the 1.1 patch.
