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JooJooFlop had this to say about Captain Planet:
Those you kill. You let the more level-headed ones live and negotiate with them.Not every muslim in the middle east would rather die than co-exist with Isreal.
While this is very true the people in charge are the ones who shove the rhetoric down the throats of everyone else.
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Mr. Parcelan was naked while typing this:
And how would you go about negotiating with a people who consider it their sacred right to kill you? Bratwurst party?
Imo the key to breaking up fanaticism is economic prosperity and education, sadly the current Pal leadership isn't too keen on letting international aid get through to it's populace without pocketing a good part of it. Making the terror in Israel stop from one day to another will not happen, no matter what you do.
The solution, if it ever comes, will probably be for Israel to dismantle it's disputed settlements and stop the demolishing of homes, punishment of families, etc, the current Pal leadership to be replaced with one that will actually use the aid they get to create employment and a basic standard of living in the Pal territories and for the most heatedly disputed shrines to be put under UN control and policed by UN soldiers from non-US allied countries. The return of refugees to their homes would be a major factor towards peace, as would a stop of open international backing of Israel by the US while of course still retaining a mutual defense treaty, just let all those condemnation resolutions in the security council pass. (being an overt ally of the US in the arab world doesn't help your popularity much)
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Quit trying to apply a western philosiphy to an area where it will not work.
To the terrorist groups and many of the Muslim countries over there, Negotiation is a sign of weakness and that that thier bullying tactics work. Different culture, different mindset.
That's what people were saying about the culture of the place I'm originally from when you crazy Americans were bombing it. 
If negoitiation was a sign of weakness to them, why did they engage in it and even step down attacks while negotiations were ongoing? I think you may be overstating the savage nature of the Muslim world a bit, imo they use terror tactics against civillians because it's the only way they can hurt Israel with what they have available, not to satisfy an unquenchable thirst for the blood of children. (not that I condone those tactics of course) [ 03-22-2004: Message edited by: Mod ]
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Azizza had this to say about Punky Brewster:
While this is very true the people in charge are the ones who shove the rhetoric down the throats of everyone else.
So killing the Hamas guy was a step in the right direction, yes? Start from the top and work your way down the ladder and hope the people towards the bottom (the majority) get the point before they become bloody smears in the pavement.
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A sleep deprived Mr. Parcelan stammered:
Wait, if stopping terror in Israel is impossible, why would you back off? Just to let it be?
It's impossible in the short term. No single action carried out within a few years can reasonably end that conflict at this point. However if you back off nothing happens, if you go out and bulldoze 20 homes you have 20 additional families that will hate you for as long as they live and oppose any peace treaty with you.
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Check out the big brain on Azizza!
Nah, you see Mod think that Isreal should just hunker down and accept it.. Thenin 20 years when the populations lives in constant fear, they will just give up and there will be peace after the Muslims butcher them all.
So currently they live a peaceful life, devoid of worry? Do you think 20 years of warfare, bombings, demolishing of houses, etc will make it any better? This isn't dealing with international terror cells that require at least some infrastructure for transporting goods, hijacking planes and whatnot, every idiot with a grudge and sufficient fervor can get a bomb or gun in such a highly militarized area and use it against the next Israeli he sees. [ 03-22-2004: Message edited by: Mod ]
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Mod got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
So currently they live a peaceful life, devoid of worry? Do you think 20 years of warfare, bombings, demolishing of houses, etc will make it any better?
Better than being slaughtered and thought of as cowards in their last moments of life.
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There was much rejoicing when Mr. Parcelan said this:
Better than being slaughtered and thought of as cowards in their last moments of life.
The slaughter of Israelis doesn't come into play, the worst case scenario for Israel is that they'd have to hand over a bunch of land. They were arguing over borders and jurisdiction over shrines at peace summits, not the summary execution of every single Israeli citizen.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Mod said:
The slaughter of Israelis doesn't come into play, the worst case scenario for Israel is that they'd have to hand over a bunch of land. They were arguing over borders and jurisdiction over shrines at peace summits, not the summary execution of every single Israeli citizen.
I'm certain they would come right out and say it, wouldn't they?
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Mr. Parcelan impressed everyone with:
I'm certain they would come right out and say it, wouldn't they?
They wouldn't be negotiating over shrines if there were out for a war of genocide. Sure they are fanatical elements that would love to see Israel destroyed but if a Palestine with it's borders including most major muslim holy sites were established and it did fairly well economically (in the context of the middle east) I doubt they could rally enough support for their cause any more. [ 03-22-2004: Message edited by: Mod ]
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Mod's account was hax0red to write:
They wouldn't be negotiating over shrines if they were out for a war of genocide.
Because all murderers are honest folk who proclaim their intentions aloud.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Because all murderers are honest folk who proclaim their intentions aloud.
No, but they don't argue with their victim for half an hour over parking space before dragging them into an alley and strangling them if that was their intent from the get-go.
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Mod had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
No, but they don't argue with their victim for half an hour over parking space before dragging them into an alley and strangling them if that was their intent from the get-go.
Which would be nice if the negotiators had any control over the Palestinians.
As it stands, no matter what is reached, the Palestinians will continue to attack Israel and the ones in charge will shrug, smile sweetly and say they have no control.
When one of the sides pulls some shit like this, the UN goes in and wipes out a holy place. Totally destroy it, down to the last brick. Firebomb it till it's a flat area of molten glass. Maybe put a little monument there, stating what was there, and when/why it was destroyed.
I figure a about the fifth holy site, they'll finally start to get the idea and back off. If not, there soon won't be any holy shrines and sites to fight over.
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Palador ChibiDragon said this about your mom:
If you really want peace in this area, I see only one solution.When one of the sides pulls some shit like this, the UN goes in and wipes out a holy place. Totally destroy it, down to the last brick. Firebomb it till it's a flat area of molten glass. Maybe put a little monument there, stating what was there, and when/why it was destroyed.
I figure a about the fifth holy site, they'll finally start to get the idea and back off. If not, there soon won't be any holy shrines and sites to fight over.
This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
A) The UN is too spineless to ever do something like that.
B) Destroying a religious fanatic's holy site won't make him murderously angry and convince him to strap a bomb to himself and charge to the closest target. Good thinking there, slick.
I know you really have no idea about politics and current events, and you want to appear like the "xtreem badass", but you really need to shut your mouth in this case.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Palador ChibiDragon was all like:
If you really want peace in this area, I see only one solution.When one of the sides pulls some shit like this, the UN goes in and wipes out a holy place. Totally destroy it, down to the last brick. Firebomb it till it's a flat area of molten glass. Maybe put a little monument there, stating what was there, and when/why it was destroyed.
I figure a about the fifth holy site, they'll finally start to get the idea and back off. If not, there soon won't be any holy shrines and sites to fight over.
That's one of the silliest ideas I've ever heard.
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That's one of the silliest ideas I've ever heard.
Well, at least someone saw the humor in it.
I would have thought that "last brick" comment was a good enough clue it was a joke. Don't you people actually read the New Testament?
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Everyone wondered WTF when Palador ChibiDragon wrote:
I would have thought that "last brick" comment was a good enough clue it was a joke. Don't you people actually read the New Testament?
New Testament is for pussies. It's all about the Old Testament, baby. Hellfire, locus, plague, and the good old, "Worship me or I'll fuck your shit up like you wouldn't believe!" God. Not that pansy loving God he turned into for the New Testament.
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This insanity brought to you by Snoota:
New Testament is for pussies. It's all about the Old Testament, baby. Hellfire, locus, plague, and the good old, "Worship me or I'll fuck your shit up like you wouldn't believe!" God. Not that pansy loving God he turned into for the New Testament.
The Jews are hardcore. Dawg.
Attention on deck, we have uh oh.
Possibly the least intelligent thing Israel has ever done. Now this, will be bloody.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Mod who doth quote:
Imo the key to breaking up fanaticism is economic prosperity and education
Typical defective liberal reasoning. Educate a terrorist and sit him in a good economy and you get an intelligent, well-funded terrorist. [ 03-24-2004: Message edited by: Maradon! ]
Forget about the areas for 50 years or so and let the problems solve themselves.
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Jens wrote this stupid crap:
I feel the same way about Israel/Palestine as I do about Northern Ireland.Forget about the areas for 50 years or so and let the problems solve themselves.
The problem is the IRA sticks to Ireland. Palestine would kill us as soon as they would an Israeli.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
Typical defective liberal reasoning. Educate a terrorist and sit him in a good economy and you get an intelligent, well-funded terrorist.
No, you have someone who most likely will not be a terrorist, if you have a home and a decent living, why blow yourself up in a school bus? (Excluding the obvious tiny fraction of straight-up headcases) [ 03-24-2004: Message edited by: Mod ]
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Maradon! wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Typical defective liberal reasoning. Educate a terrorist and sit him in a good economy and you get an intelligent, well-funded terrorist.
That was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a long, long time. [ 03-24-2004: Message edited by: Zaza ]
True, it's debateable as to to what extent this is a factor but many sociologists are looking into it.
As to the 9/11 hijackers, I'd need to read up on their backgrounds more thoroughly 
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Azizza tried to impress everyone with:
If you all feel that education leads to less terrorism then why did most of the 9/11 terrorist come from Saudia Arabia and have educations?
So why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? 
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Drysart stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
So why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia?
Because so far they haven't used Chemical Weapons against thier own people and other countries, nore does the goverment over there Pay out to terrorist and thier families. Not to mention that they don't make a habit out of torturing and killing those who dissagree with them.
