Or a boyfriend like that C.c
Or, a nice guy. But whatever.
HAR HAR HAR!
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Out of a possible 10, Suddar scored a straight 1 with:
Having done some of these things, I now feel like one hell of a straight balling grandma.Or, a nice guy. But whatever.
Suddar took the words out of my mouth and stepped all over them.
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Out of a possible 10, Gikk scored a straight 1 with:
It makes me wish I had a friend like that. ;_;
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Kalculus Kid or Mathinator or Waisz enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Bahahahaha. This thing is pathetic. You shouldn't expect anything if you don't go for the kill.
I think Waisz wins here.
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
Sometimes, though, I tend to fall into the 'nice guy' trap, though.
I used to like that garbage until the truth.
It's all about marketing.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Kalculus Kid or Mathinator or Waisz wrote:
Bahahahaha. This thing is pathetic. You shouldn't expect anything if you don't go for the kill.
Exactly. On top of that, most "nice guys" are ugly pizza faces anyway, and who really wants to have sex with one of those?
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Mod said:
The main failing of the stereotypical 'nice guy' is that he assumes a premise (Be nice to women and they'll fall in love with you) which might sound logical enough in the beginning, but refuses to move away from it even when it's error ist demonstrated. If you see that, for example, an alternating pattern of abuse and borderline decency is more effective than your approach you adapt the successful one instead of continuing to fail in a way that has already failed you miserably half a dozen times.
And it seems to me the underlying reason the stereotypical nice guy's premise doesn't work is that the stereotypical nice guy and his premise are just really boring to 90% of girls.
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
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Zaza had this to say about John Romero:
I'm nice. But not spineless. I don't put up with being treated like a doormat. Some of these "nice guys" described seem to do just that.
Pretty much, of course I fall into the stereotypical nice guy role. The bad part is, it is partially accurate, and partially a fallacy.
For instance, in my case, it is nearly impossible for me to act against my character, which is the "Good guy" role. Hell I can't even do it in Video Games, just ask Khy how hard he has tried to get me to go Imperial in SWG. (Yes that sounds cheesy, but it's just me. Playing Nazi's in ET bugs me, etc etc. ) I cannot act against myself, regardless of the circumstances. It IS embittering sometimes, especially during the highschool years, but not really something that I can blame the tendancies of others on. (Even though you would anyway)
I was the universal best friend, I was the shoulder for everyone. (And in some ways I still am, even in adulthood.) But thats my character and who I am.
What I think the niceguys tend to forget is, if they are currently in that role, then thier constant shutdowns are usually with women who are typically shallow. And a rule of thumb (Although it does not apply universally, it's just something I learned to avoid even though its not true for all women of the description.) The prettier they are, the more of a bitch they are. Setting yourself up to be the shoulder of a girl, proven to be universally shallow in her choices of the male gender, is never going to net you what you are looking for.
Also, eventually they do grow out of the "I'm wanting to be with the dangerous boys" mindset (Although some never do). Even before that, you can find that diamond in the rough that fits you just fine. And as a counter point, if you do find that girl just for you after being the nice guy to anothe for so long, you can often notice that girl you fawned over for so long but would never date you all of the sudden has jealous tendancies because her "Best friend" is longer at her disposal. It just may help her wake up just a bit sooner that she normally would have.
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ACES! Another post by Mod:
The main failing of the stereotypical 'nice guy' is that he assumes a premise (Be nice to women and they'll fall in love with you) which might sound logical enough in the beginning, but refuses to move away from it even when it's error ist demonstrated. If you see that, for example, an alternating pattern of abuse and borderline decency is more effective than your approach you adapt the successful one instead of continuing to fail in a way that has already failed you miserably half a dozen times.
For some people, like myself, it is nearly impossible to go against your own character. Like what I said above. Nice guys can't usually find it easy or acceptable to be an asshole. So it's not just working under a premise for all of them, it's a character trait for most. [ 03-13-2004: Message edited by: Faelynn LeAndris ]
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Check out the big brain on Faelynn LeAndris!
For some people, like myself, it is nearly impossible to go against your own character. Like what I said above. Nice guys can't usually find it easy or acceptable to be an asshole. So it's not just working under a premise for all of them, it's a character trait for most.
I completely agree. I find it very hard to go against my natural instincts of 'doing the right thing', it's hard to be an asshole.....it's just not me.
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Mod wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Heh, I'm not some ice-cold bastion of flexible morals either, rather quite the opposite, but I don't consider it being more of an asshole than hitting a masochist in this case, if she wanted you to be friendly she wouldn't have turned you down when you were, if she didn't enjoy you being an asshole she wouldn't fall for it.
I never said she wouldn't prefer an asshole if the nice thing wasn't working, I was pointing out that you said all nice guys work under the premise of benice be loved and are unwilling to adapt to being that asshole she would prefer. For some, myself included, going againts my character and being that asshole would drive me insane.
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From the book of Faelynn LeAndris, chapter 3, verse 16:
I never said she wouldn't prefer an asshole if the nice thing wasn't working, I was pointing out that you said all nice guys work under the premise of benice be loved and are unwilling to adapt to being that asshole she would prefer. For some, myself included, going againts my character and being that asshole would drive me insane.
My point was that if you were giving her what she wanted you wouldn't really be an asshole for it.
* mumbles under his breath *
Did you know, from the outside, helplessness and patience can appear to be the same thing? So can masochism. It can look like patience too if your sell it right.
Not knowing what the hell to do can help project the illusion too. Of course, it ain't really an illusion...
Anyway, time to bang my head on something.
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Mod stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
My point was that if you were giving her what she wanted you wouldn't really be an asshole for it.
Treating anyone badly, even if thats what they want, goes against character. And it still makes you an asshole, even if it is just towards that single individual, you are treating someone badly, even if its what they think they want. If anyone else were to witness, or see you, they'd call you an asshole. [ 03-13-2004: Message edited by: Faelynn LeAndris ]
Did that shit for over 3 years before I got involved with my ex-fiancee... Now I wish I had never done anything.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about Captain Planet:
Treating anyone badly, even if thats what they want, goes against character. And it still makes you an asshole, even if it is just towards that single individual, you are treating someone badly, even if its what they think they want. If anyone else were to witness, or see you, they'd call you an asshole.
I disagree. If I you beat the living tar out of someone with their consent and they enjoy it it's not immoral imo, even if someone who saw you doing it would likely call the police (unless they're underage, drunk, insane or in some other way not fit to make the decision of course).
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Check out the big brain on Mod!
I disagree. If I you beat the living tar out of someone with their consent and they enjoy it it's not immoral imo, even if someone who saw you doing it would likely call the police (unless they're underage, drunk, insane or in some other way not fit to make the decision of course).
The point is, in me for instance, I'd never get to the point of beating the shit out of somoene. Whether they liked it or not, it's outside character, and something I would view as wrong and therefore not do it. Why would you ever beat the tar out of someone, with consent or otherwise?...
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A sleep deprived Faelynn LeAndris stammered:
The point is, in me for instance, I'd never get to the point of beating the shit out of somoene. Whether they liked it or not, it's outside character, and something I would view as wrong and therefore not do it. Why would you ever beat the tar out of someone, with consent or otherwise?...
Because they wanted you to and enjoy being beaten? It was just a made-up example to demonstrate the concept.
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Mod had this to say about pies:
Because they wanted you to and enjoy being beaten? It was just a made-up example to demonstrate the concept.
Don't be foolish. Fae knows what someone wants better than they do.
Women want a man who will take care of them, but also one they know can be an asshole when he has to be... after all, if the guy is totally spineless, who can she count on to protect the children?
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Particularly girls from their teens to late 20's. They crave emotional abuse, not prince charming behavior. [ 03-13-2004: Message edited by: Maradon! ]
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Kalculus Kid or Mathinator or Waisz had this to say about John Romero:
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Kalculus Kid or Mathinator or Waisz said this about your mom:
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Kalculus Kid or Mathinator or Waisz impressed everyone with:
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Fae, if you have to be an asshole to get that chick anyway, she's not accepting you for yourself, and is thus probably someone you wouldn't want to spend time with.
What's yo sister doin' tonight?
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