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Stealth test.
David Karesh was a Christian, shall we ban all Christian momentous?
When you compare all of Islam to these terrorists, you essentially say every Sunday clothed bible reading Christian is a Branch Dividian fundamentalist. The linking of such actions to Islam or the Quran is incorrect. Rather, such inhumane actions clearly contradict the teachings of Islam - just as the bombing at Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh and the killings that occurred at Abraham Mosque, Hebron - Philistine by Dr. Baruch Goldstein clearly contradict the teachings of Christianity and Judaism, respectively. Do you know what you are talking about? Read this to know the difference:
Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely [Qur'an 5:32]
The noblest of you in the sight of Allah*, is the most pious (righteous) of you (Qur'an 49:13).
As a result of following these teachings, many people have banished racism from their thoughts and actions. You can still see racial harmony today in the mosques of cosmopolitan cities. You will find people of various colors worshipping together, all with equal status before God. Rich or poor, black or white, kind or pauper all line up side by side to worship. No special preference is given to anyone based on color or social status. The leader in a mosque is appointed for his learning in the religious sciences, regardless of skin color. There is no such concept as a 'black mosque' or 'white mosque'. Islam removes such destructive concepts.
Racism is a social concept. It always was, and it always will be. No religion has anywhere in its core teachings that it is OK to be racist. Islam is not special in that respect. But people identify Islamic Fundamentalists with sexism and terrorism for the same reason they identify Catholic Priests with homosexual pedifilia: its what they hear about, and it's what can effect them.
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rinard impressed everyone with:
Islam removes such destructive concepts.
True, true, but so does every other religion on the face of the planet, without exception.
If you're looking for converts then you're looking in the wrong place - everyone here is either adamantly dedicated to thier own faith, or regards any faith as baseless superstition (myself being among the latter).
If you're looking to argue that Islam is some "up and coming" fashion in religion, unless you can come up with a damn good reason why people who fail to attend church on sundays will suddenly undertake a dramatic, stringent, and alien canon for no readily apparent reason, then you've already lost.
As it stands, you're on a soap box shouting "Islam is the one true faith!" and barely managing to disguise your propaganda as a claim of fact - a fact which just happens to be baseless. I really don't care for people like that. [ 12-30-2003: Message edited by: Chief Durkin ]
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The more I pondered, the greater emptiness I felt within.
Anyone who uses a phrase like that is a wacko 
(was that a good enough finishing move?) [ 12-30-2003: Message edited by: Chief Durkin ]
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Chief Durkin had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Anyone who uses a phrase like that is a wacko(was that a good enough finishing move?)
It was good, but not as visually impressive as what I was expecting.
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rinard was listening to Cher while typing:
1. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.
You make them sound less like worshipers, and more like slaves. Or like a bunch of first graders that need everything spelled out for them. How pleasant.
The fact is, serious Christians are not Christians just on Sundays. It guides their lives every day of the week. They pray every day, without the need for set times. The lessons of the Bible guide them in their day to day choices, without the need to have it all spelled out with strict guidlines.
They don't just "feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious". They are actively involved, contemplating the lessons of the Bible to understand how they can guide them, instead of just following a bunch of rules. They are truly religious.
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2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.
Islam as a fasion statement? My, how daring.
Real Christians have faced execution, hate, contempt, and the occasional lion. What is the Avon lady compared to that?
A true Christian draws power from their faith. They know better than to worry so much about such passing concerns, and have the power to deal with it.
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3. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.
Once again, Christianaty has rules. They may not be spelled out for you as much as Islam's, but they are there for those that wish to understand them.
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As a Christian convert to Islam, I can only present my personal experience and reasons for rejecting the 'freedom' that women claim to have in this society in favor of the only Religion that truly liberates women by giving us a status and position, which is completely unique when compared with that of non-Muslim counterparts.
You are free to do whatever you want, so long as you do as you're told?
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There was clearly a great contradiction between what women were told in theory and what actually happens in practice.
Like what happens to women in Islam? Sure, it's not what's written, but it does happen. Islam is no shelter from this.
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Being a Christian did not do anything for me, and I began to question the validity of only remembering God one day a week - Sundays!
If you were only remembering God one day a week, then you weren't a true Christian. How can your soul be filled with the Holy Spirit only one day a week?
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As with many other Christians too, I had become disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the Church and was becoming increasingly unhappy with the concept of Trinity and the deification of Jesus.
There is a difference between the religion, and the church. You don't have to go to a church to be Christian anymore than you have to be in a band to play an instrument.
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What I read and learned taught me a lot about myself as a woman, and also about where the real oppression of women lies: in every other system and way of life outside of Islam. Muslim women have been given their rights in every aspect of the religion with clear definitions of their role in society - as had men - with no injustice against either of them.
"In every other system"? Bullshit. It lies in the people that perform the oppression. And those people exsist in the religion of Islam, along with every other large group of people.
And if they want to do what men do, or if men want to do what women do, then how is it not injustice that they can not? They did not choose their gender, why should those that are unhappy with their assigned roles be punished for their gender?
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As Allah says: Whoever does deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them [Nisaa 4:124]
"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for the disfigure their faces to show ment they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." [Matthew 6:16-18]
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Some post shows a complete and dangerous lack of comprehension.
Don't worry, we'll forgive you. Just don't let it happen again.
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Islam is a religion, not a terrorist group. The media classifies Muslims as "terrorists," "highjackers" and "kidnappers."
This is true. There are people that do bad things in the name of Christianity and other religions, as well as Islam. Islam just has the spotlight these days.
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It is unreasonable to think that so many American converted to Islam without careful consideration and deep contemplation. These Americans came from different classes, races and walks of life. They include scientists, professors, philosophers, journalists, doctors, nurses, teachers, artists, lawmakers, chefs, laborers, and every other sort of person imaginable.
Can not the same be said for Muslims that convert to different faiths? It happens, you know. And what about the people that convert to religions such as Mormonism, Jehova's Witnesses, Wicca, Scientology, and Heaven's Gate (or whatever they called themselves)? The fact that people convert to Islam doesn't prove anything.
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As a result of following these teachings, many people have banished racism from their thoughts and actions.
The same can be said of following Christian teachings. And Wiccan. And more than a few others, too.
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You can still see racial harmony today in the mosques of cosmopolitan cities.
You can also see racism and hatred there. As you yourself have pointed out, not every so-called Muslim follows the teachings of Islam.
Now, how about you sit down and take a real look at all religions, and the people that follow them. You'll find that Islam isn't the wonderful thing that you believe it to be.
It is held in thought
only by the understanding
of the Wind.
Buddha was a reformer who introduced a number of humanistic principles to the religion of India. He did not claim to be God nor did he suggest to his followers that he be an object of worship. Yet, today most Buddhists who are to be found outside of India have taken him to be God and prostrate to idols made in their perception of his likeness.
I really dont like misunderstanding of my intentions in this post .It is not an assault on Christianity or any other religion. It is indispensable for me to look for the truth and study comparative religion because if I would like to know whether a religion is true or false, I should not depend on my emotions, feelings, or traditions. Rather, I should depend on my reason and intellect. When God sent the prophets, He supported them with miracles and evidences, which proved that they were truly prophets, send by God and that the religion they came with was true.
God revealed a holy book to Jesus called the Injeel, some parts of which may be still available in the teachings of God to Jesus in the New Testament. But this does not mean that the Bible we have today because it is not the original scriptures that were revealed by God. They underwent alterations, additions, and omissions. This was also said by the Committee charged with revising The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version). This Committee consisted of thirty-two scholars who served as members of the Committee. They secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty representatives of the co-operating denominations. The Committee said in the Preface to The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version), p. iv, Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text.
The Committee also said in the Preface, p. vii, Notes are added which indicate significant variations, additions, or omissions in the ancient authorities (Mt 9.34; Mk 3.16; 7.4; Lk 24.32, 51, etc.).
My question is do we believe in the information declared in the following sites or not:
THE REAL STORY OF MARY
http://geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3001/storyofmary.htm
THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.html
Who Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.com
IS THE BIBLE GODS WORD?
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html
Women in Christianity and Islam
http://www.beconvinced.com/women/CH_IS.htm
The Bible - A Closer Look!
http://www.todayislam.com/bible.htm
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rinard read this aloud from the Kitab Al-Azif:
THE REAL STORY OF MARY
http://geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3001/storyofmary.htmTHE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.htmlWho Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.comIS THE BIBLE GODS WORD?
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.htmlWomen in Christianity and Islam
http://www.beconvinced.com/women/CH_IS.htmThe Bible - A Closer Look!
http://www.todayislam.com/bible.htm
And just how am I supposed to look those up? I'm an EverQuest character, and there are no computers on Norath.
It is held in thought
only by the understanding
of the Wind.
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nem-x wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
This thread is like one big spam mail.
I'm half-expecting her to start claiming she's a deposed Saudi princess and requires us to send her money so she can get out of the country.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when rinard said:
My question is do we believe in the information declared in the following sites or not:THE REAL STORY OF MARY
http://geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3001/storyofmary.htmTHE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.htmlWho Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.comIS THE BIBLE GODS WORD?
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.htmlWomen in Christianity and Islam
http://www.beconvinced.com/women/CH_IS.htmThe Bible - A Closer Look!
http://www.todayislam.com/bible.htm
of course we do! just like we believe everthing we see on Al-Jizar because they CERTIANLY don't have a hidden agenda!
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Elvish Crack Piper stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Gydeon: Rinard wants us to blow up skyscrapers.
My name is spelled right above you. Who are you, Death of Rats? 
Thinking about your posts
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Is English your first language?
Quoting the Koran isn't the most reliable way to "prove" your points; if that's valid, all anyone needs to do is whip out the Bible to refute you point-by-point.
Wherever did you get the notion anyone around here is the least bit interested in your proeselytizing?
Testimonials are to logic as stage magicians are to physicists. Just thought you should know that.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Testimonials are to logic as stage magicians are to physicists. Just thought you should know that.
But Christianity works for me! Convert!
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rinard wrote this stupid crap:
I don't outbid on Islam. Islam a brilliant religion by itself and doesn't need any preaching or missionary work or me.
I find it ironic that you say this and then proceed with several paragraphs of preaching and missionary work.
If it means anything to you, I actually like Islam. As collections of unfounded superstition go, Islam probably has the most potential for being constructive and unifying that I've observed. [ 12-31-2003: Message edited by: Chief Durkin ]
It is indispensable for everybody to look for the truth now or later but who guarantee life and how long we are going to live and when the last moment will come. No body knows.
We have all the capabilities and resources to recognize and distinguish using for example the Internet. We will have no excuse, maybe the people in The Amazon do?
We will be asked then.
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Gydyon had this to say about the Spice Girls:
My name is spelled right above you. Who are you, Death of Rats?
One time I misspelled your name. [ 01-07-2004: Message edited by: Death of Rats ]
It is held in thought
only by the understanding
of the Wind.
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Death of Rats's fortune cookie read:
One time I misspelled your name.
Heh
Just let it go, I have people chasing me saying tournament practically.
rinard, you need to go drink some alcohol and take asprin. Then shoot yourself.
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Death of Rats was naked while typing this:
One time I misspelled your name.
It was two or three times! 
Thinking about your posts
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From the book of Bloodsage, chapter 3, verse 16:
Rinard,Is English your first language?
Quoting the Koran isn't the most reliable way to "prove" your points; if that's valid, all anyone needs to do is whip out the Bible to refute you point-by-point.
Wherever did you get the notion anyone around here is the least bit interested in your proeselytizing?
Testimonials are to logic as stage magicians are to physicists. Just thought you should know that.
Well, look at all this good clean religious fun. I personaly try to keep my religious beliefs off this forum. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and if anyone wants, I can as blood sage put Bloodsage "whip out the Bible to refute you point-by-point". If anyone wants to see that, if not, I'll go back to enjoying the non-religious topics.....
(PS. If you want to talk about religion Rinard, join a religious forum)
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The logic train ran off the tracks when rinard said:
Believers and disbeliever, I will tell you something; the natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history.
Speak for yourself.
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Believers and disbeliever, I will tell you something; the natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history.
No. Belief is indeed a part of humanity, but that's only because we have imagination that tries to fill in the gaps we can't explain. It proves nothing at all.
There is nothing "brilliant" nor "right" about being religious. It just proves you're willing to accept what is basically the work of someone's imagination as truth. If that's your ball, great, go play with it.
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This one time, at Zaza camp:
No. Belief is indeed a part of humanity, but that's only because we have imagination that tries to fill in the gaps we can't explain. It proves nothing at all.There is nothing "brilliant" nor "right" about being religious. It just proves you're willing to accept what is basically the work of someone's imagination as truth. If that's your ball, great, go play with it.
Welcome to the world of "Mass Population Control". Please see the Priest/Druid/Bishop/Rabbi/etc on the left for your Doctorine of Control and whatever other trinkets/beanies they require of you.
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There was much rejoicing when Random Insanity Generator said this:
Welcome to the world of "Mass Population Control". Please see the Priest/Druid/Bishop/Rabbi/etc on the left for your Doctorine of Control and whatever other trinkets/beanies they require of you.
Religion is alot like marketing. "THE END IS COMMING, HURRY, DON'T DELAY, JOIN US NOW AND YOU GET A FREE PASS TO HEAVEN AT ABSOLUTLY NO CHARGE!"
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nem-x's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
This thread is like one big spam mail.
Worse, you can eventually delete a spam mailing... this just seems to go on, like that bad traffic accident you cannot turn away from.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Gydyon said:
It was two or three times!
Deatails Smeatails.
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Everyone wondered WTF when rinard wrote:
Believers and disbeliever, I will tell you something; the natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.It is indispensable for everybody to look for the truth now or later but who guarantee life and how long we are going to live and when the last moment will come. No body knows.
We have all the capabilities and resources to recognize and distinguish using for example the Internet. We will have no excuse, maybe the people in The Amazon do?
We will be asked then.
Please forgive my ignornace, but despite all your statements, I have no idea what you are trying to get at. What is the point of your post?
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Verily, diadem doth proclaim:
Please forgive my ignornace, but despite all your statements, I have no idea what you are trying to get at. What is the point of your post?
He has no point. He often has no point. It's part ofhis charm!
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Gydyon obviously shouldn't have said:
He has no point. He often has no point. It's part ofhis charm!
Last time I saw charm like that, it was in a bowl of leftover Lucky Charms that I found under my bed about a year after I stopped eating breakfast cereal.
It is held in thought
only by the understanding
of the Wind.
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From the book of Gydyon, chapter 3, verse 16:
He has no point. He often has no point. It's part ofhis charm!
Even a baby is trying to convey something when it cries. The very point of posting is an attempt to communicate something, no matter how primitive the idea, be it right or wrong. Even people posting random gibberish do it because they are bored, they think its funny, to get people to troll, or something similar. However, I can not fathom any possible point behind his posts. Even if it were "because I like to hear myself talk," "I wanted to hear what people would say if I typed that," I wanted to see how people would insert their opinions into a neutral statement, "I wanted to sound smart," or just "I wanted to share with people what I recently read or learned," I would be satisfied with an answer. The idea of quoting something at random and answering replies with more random quotes and believing this is an acceptable means of communication boggles my mind. [ 01-07-2004: Message edited by: diadem ]
