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Somthor thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
just as viable as sending a man to the moon and back in the 60's... its not really how effective it may or may not be its the fallout of peace dividends that would be sure to follow.the money spent would lead to new technolgies that could have a real impact (forgive the pun)
I doubt there would be much peace involved. Do you have any idea how apeshit Russia and China would go if they found out we had an orbital weapons platform? 
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Snoota had this to say about dark elf butts:
I got a better idea!We can use a mixture of Navy Seals, Rangers, and Marine Recon to sneak deep into enemy territory and gain access to the bunkers. Then when everyone is asleep, they can paint doors where there are no doors and set off the alarms, so all the bad guys wake up and run towards the doors, not knowing that those doors are actually walls with doors painted on them, and knock themselves out like they're Will E. Coyote so we can take over the bunker without hurting the bad guys!! Because God forbid we take out the bad guys without risking the lives of our own countrymen. It's okay if they kill us, we can't kill them though that's not fair.
Seriously, it's almost insulting at how little people know of the art of warfare and national defense.
It's fun to believe that world peace is achievable, but until everyone is exactly the same, it will never happen. There will always be those who want to kill others, and it is not in anyone's best interest to just sit back and let ourselves be killed.
I see someone say: "omg 6 American soldiers died in Iraq today!" and then they squeal and piss their pants about the horrors of war. It's like they don't even remember World War II. To see some serious casualties of a real war, I daresay, may lead some of these people to crap their pants.
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Palador ChibiDragon wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Umm, you shoot him?The bunker's only a problem if they're inside it. If they try to come out and defend themselves, you just pull your men back and bomb the defenders. Only one or two come out? Shoot 'em.
Wait, you were seriously considering that as a viable option? Sending in an elite team to pave over bunker holes?
Heh
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SomthorSomthorSomthorSomthorSomthorSomthor MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
are non nuclear weapon platforms banned in space? thought there was only a treat prohibiting the nukes.
This is the era of the Bush administration. Treaties were made to be broken!
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From the book of Drysart, chapter 3, verse 16:
This is the era of the Bush administration. Treaties were made to be broken!
In space, nobody can hear you treaty.
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How.... Liam.... uughhhhhh:
Wait, you were seriously considering that as a viable option? Sending in an elite team to pave over bunker holes?Heh
Kinda, but you don't need an "elite" team. Just bomb the fuck out of the area, and then send in someone to pour cement (or something similar) down any interesting looking holes.
If bombing the holy hell out of the area isn't an option, then the micronuke wouldn't be either. So, why not?
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Drysart startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
This is the era of the Bush administration. Treaties were made to be broken!
What treaties have we broken?
We've withdrawn from several via the normal process, but that's quite a different thing.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
What treaties have we broken?
We broke the, "Kiss the UN's collective ass and kowtow to ancient monarchies that haven't been any sort of world power since the 1940's if that" treaty.
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Snoota had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
We broke the, "Kiss the UN's collective ass and kowtow to ancient monarchies that haven't been any sort of world power since the 1940's if that" treaty.
Yeah that one was a real bitch wasn't it 
Now if we could just get out of the UN altogether.
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Azizza stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Now if we could just get out of the UN altogether.
Nah. There's nothing wrong with the UN and the idea behind it, really. It's just that they're all bark and no bite. They have access to "peacekeepers" from half the countries in the world but never flex their military might. Most any rational person would agree that the use of force should be the absolute last, worst case scenario. But the UN never steps up and uses it and instead just keeps shouting, 'If you don't stop that we'll pass another resolution!! WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO DO IT!! DON'T FUCK WITH US MAN WE PASS RESOLUTIONS!' If they'd grow some balls and back up their word the world would be a better place.
And maybe they'd be taken more seriously if they'd stop putting countries like Lybia at the head of the Human Rights Council.
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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Think of a scenario: a point of law comes up. Gydyon steps in authoritatively and tells us the current interpretation and practice. At that point, the discussion is over. Smart people don't argue with experts in their field, and especially not by simply contradicting them and cobbling together random pieces of data.
But I make my answers up.... 
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Snoota had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Nah. There's nothing wrong with the UN and the idea behind it, really. It's just that they're all bark and no bite. They have access to "peacekeepers" from half the countries in the world but never flex their military might. Most any rational person would agree that the use of force should be the absolute last, worst case scenario. But the UN never steps up and uses it and instead just keeps shouting, 'If you don't stop that we'll pass another resolution!! WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO DO IT!! DON'T FUCK WITH US MAN WE PASS RESOLUTIONS!' If they'd grow some balls and back up their word the world would be a better place.And maybe they'd be taken more seriously if they'd stop putting countries like Lybia at the head of the Human Rights Council.
Ho hum, I agree.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Palador ChibiDragon absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Question: After we use normal bombs and such to deal with the surface stuff, what's wrong with just paving over the enterance to such a bunker?
One needs to remember certain things about warfare, one of them being that the enemy isn't static--he reacts intelligently to the situation.
What you say could work, if the enemy built said bunker, hid some stuff he didn't need in it, and went away.
The reality, however, is that these bunkers are used, generally to command and control forces, and sometimes as depots of WMD stuff. The entire point of having the bunker is to protect stuff they're using to try to win the war, so waiting until the war is over and we control the ground to deal with it cedes too much to the enemy.
Nor is airpower a steel curtain with 24/7 persistent coverage of all areas. Realities of airspace, fuel, crews, and inventory limit the use of air assets, just as the Army doesn't simply string a million dudes linking arms around the border of a country and march inward to make sure no terrorists escape. These bunkers are important to the enemy, and need to be destroyed very quickly during any conflict.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Gydfather startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
But I make my answers up....
*Sacrifices a plate of conventionally spicy wings to atone for having twice invoked the Gydyon*
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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From the book of Bloodsage, chapter 3, verse 16:
*Sacrifices a plate of conventionally spicy wings to atone for having twice invoked the Gydyon*
Wee!
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Shazorx / Modrakien startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
The one thing that worries me about this weapon, neccesary as it may be, is the fact that it de facto establishes a nuclear first strike (of limited capacity) as a legitimate military tactic. If it's easy to determine it's not an all-out nuclear attack that may not be too much of a problem, but I'd imagine that the usual practice in case of a nuclear attack is to retaliate asap before other possible bombs hit, not analyze the damage, determine the type of nuke used, then decided on a response.
Our policy has always allowed a first nuclear strike. The Soviets had a no first strike doctrine simply because they had overwhelming conventional force and wanted at least one area they could claim moral high ground. It was our stated willingness to be first, in part, that kept them at bay.
So this really doesn't represent any kind of policy change.
Your second point is legitimate, which is yet another reason not to have this weapon on an ICBM. Further, we're rather unlikely to go to war against another nuclear power, so retaliation isn't really an issue.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while JooJooFlop gently hums:
Something I wonder about is whether or not a "clean" nuclear device is possible, meaning something that can explode with negligible fallout.
Actually, deep sub-surface bursts minimize both fallout and radiation. A surface burst will maximize blast and fallout (though a slightly subsurface burst truly maximizes fallout), and an air burst maximizes EMP.
Fallout is nothing more than dust and dirt rendered radioactive and tossed into the atmosphere to be distributed by the jet stream and prevailing winds. It's not a necessary part of a nuclear explosion.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Verily, Bloodsage doth proclaim:
Further, we're rather unlikely to go to war against another nuclear power, so retaliation isn't really an issue.
North Korea? Or, wait, is it south? Who're the ones being little shits right now?
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Khyron had this to say about John Romero:
North Korea? Or, wait, is it south? Who're the ones being little shits right now?
North.
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Khyron had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
North Korea? Or, wait, is it south? Who're the ones being little shits right now?
North. But they're primarily just eager to get in the world spotlight in an attempt to blackmail other countries into giving them aid.
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JooJooFlop was naked while typing this:
North and South Korea should just settle things with a single game of Starcraft. Winner gets free reign over the loser's territory.
I wish things were that easy.
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We were all impressed when heo muyashi dan wrote:
I say stick with the nukes.
I asked him to post on this thread in the hopes of seeing him vs Somthor, a fight beyond compare no doubtupo.
Disclaimer: I'm just kidding, I love all living things.
The fastest draw in the Crest.
"The Internet is MY critical thinking course." -Maradon
"Gambling for the husband, an abortion for the wife and fireworks for the kids they chose to keep? Fuck you, Disneyland. The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the happiest place on Earth." -JooJooFlop
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El Imán Grande! had this to say about Punky Brewster:
We would cheat.
Power overwhelming
After that little bit of putting myself in the spotlight (Which will probably amount to me being told to shut the hell up) I point out some things I found funny about this thread.
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since when is taht a word?
Somthor trying to make fun of someone else's typing prowess? In an attempt to bring back some old-school goodness:
WHAT
THE
FUCK
YO?!?
And with that said, I bring up how the second Somthor realized 'Sage was a USAF man his position went from "Just because you said so I should believe you? *Scoff*" to "Well you said so and therefore are right!? *Smiles lustfully with his half-retarded Sniper-kitty self at the Bloodhound*
That's all I have to add as I have no validity to anything I would say here about the main topic.
BUT when presented with a Person who has others vouching for their authority on a topic. I accept them as the expert witness they must be.
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incedently I was poking fun at two people who made a big deal over proper grammer and spelling. It was no way shape or form ment to be a insult, only a chuckle.
anyway genarly speaking most people can follow the gist of what im posting (mostly)
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Somthor impressed everyone with:
if you are talking to me, its pointless I dont care what you think about my posting habits. I post what I think and until someone makes me think otherwise I'll post ad nausem about whatever it was to begin with.
Now that's more classic. "I don't care what you think, I'll do what I want."
That's about the final step before it happens.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
One of the lamest cop-outs ever.
Ranks right up there with 'My brother posted that, not me~! He used the computer while I was away!'
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I think know-nothing n00bs shouldn't try to make a name for themselves by creating stupid insults against other know-nothing n00bs.
While I relinquish that I am indeed a pretty ill-informed noob, you've gotta give me more credit than to compare me so closely to this guy, Parce! Ok you don't actually have to but simply by being coherent and admitting-without being proven wrong for four pages by smarter people than I-when I'm wrong or when I don't really have much validity on the topic at hand I should think you'd give me more credit than he.
To Somthor, a challenge I do issue! Since I refuse to ever get near you in real life for fear of catching the stupid (Translation: since even if for whatever reason I might want to, I could never get to whatever inbred area you're obviously from) I challenge you to any game playable over the internet that doesn't cost me enough money to piss me off, and the loser is perma-banned by Drysart from EC. As a witness, we will have some random and convenient (And preferably at least mildly humorous) board member present.
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Somthor had this to say about the Spice Girls:
if you are talking to me, its pointless I dont care what you think about my posting habits. I post what I think and until someone makes me think otherwise I'll post ad nausem about whatever it was to begin with.
People say that all the time, and they always end up leaving a week later.
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