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Shazorx / Modrakien stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
As for Enchanters, yeah LdoN sucks from our perspective as Snoota said. No need to mez anything since mobs don't hit for shit, nothing good around to charm so our dps is crap, everyone and their dog can slow nowadays, etc.
But as Snoota also said, we're still nice to have around. Might not be the most needed anymore, but still, it's much easier for a chanter to get a group as opposed to other casters and most classes.
Yeah, sure, mezzes, mana regen and whatnot went from mandatory to optional, but they're still useful. I'd rather have the next pull already sitting in camp and mezzed up than having to chain, myself.
But Clerics still take up all the demand. I think I'll reroll as one. >:/
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How.... Nina.... uughhhhhh:
But as Snoota also said, we're still nice to have around. Might not be the most needed anymore, but still, it's much easier for a chanter to get a group as opposed to other casters and most classes.Yeah, sure, mezzes, mana regen and whatnot went from mandatory to optional, but they're still useful. I'd rather have the next pull already sitting in camp and mezzed up than having to chain, myself.
But Clerics still take up all the demand. I think I'll reroll as one. >:/
Don't know about lower levels but druids / shamans heal just fine on normal for me even against 3+ pulls with a good tank. Yeah having a chanter is still convenient, however when building an optimal group you don't want excess mana regen, excess mez capability etc, you want just enough healing / mezzes / damage migitation / slow for everyone to stay alive, just enough mana regen to eliminate med breaks and as much dps as you can get for maximum points and xp / minute.
But since hard got a point upgrade maybe people will actually do those dungeons again now, since mobs there can actually hurt people you actually want an Enchanter in those.
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Zaza attempted to be funny by writing:
You can sell KEI and use the money to start a useful class.
Why spend all that money on a KEI scroll, when you can use three buffs to do the same basic thing as that one?
Yes, I'm being sarcastic. [ 10-11-2003: Message edited by: Mightion Defensor ]
15 buff limit.
Group up with a cleric/shaman or druid/shaman duo and blowing 3 buffs for 1 effect suddenly isn't a luxury anymore.
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KaLourin stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
3 words:15 buff limit.
Group up with a cleric/shaman or druid/shaman duo and blowing 3 buffs for 1 effect suddenly isn't a luxury anymore.
You missed my spoiler text, KaL. I was making a reference to a debate sometime ago.
blackout on darkblue with sun glare behind me makes it almost impossible to see.
Four days ago I picked it up and rolled up a rogue on Firiona Vie.
Today I dinged 22, have 2 adventure points, 150pp in the bank, 7 vials of armor dye waiting to be used (I'm waiting to get two more peices of chain before I use 'em), and some uber nice gear (Thanks to the help I got from Aani and Xyrra ).
It's amazing how much I've done in 4 days, really. Considering I'm just a casual player.
I believe there is something you can use that removes the dye but I don't know what it is off hand.
I dye my chest slot blue. If I put on my Blackened Alloy Mail (Usually black), it appears blue.
If I take that off, and put on some soft wicker armor (Usually green), it'll appear blue too? No need to re-dye?
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LDoN is actually making them more useful once again for CC (crowd control) within adventures.
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This one time, at Khyron camp:
Just so that I'm 100% clear on this...I dye my chest slot blue. If I put on my Blackened Alloy Mail (Usually black), it appears blue.
If I take that off, and put on some soft wicker armor (Usually green), it'll appear blue too? No need to re-dye?
SWEET
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Synjari had this to say about Pirotess:
Id have to disagree on the enchanter thing.. It was all but useless (unless as a buff bot in most cases) prior to LDoN due to the high amt of nerfing that went on where PoP was concerned.LDoN is actually making them more useful once again for CC (crowd control) within adventures.
Re-read what I wrote, Khy. The part where I mention the buff bot thing.
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Synjari had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Id have to disagree on the enchanter thing.. It was all but useless (unless as a buff bot in most cases) prior to LDoN due to the high amt of nerfing that went on where PoP was concerned.LDoN is actually making them more useful once again for CC (crowd control) within adventures.
Not necessarily.
An enchanter's role has lessened ever since the golden age of Kunark (arguably the best expansion... Velious would've been but it sucked as an enchanter). Before, crowd control was required, aka, you couldn't get past certain points of dungeons without a good enchanter. Now, even during LDoN, a regular group doesn't need an enchanter. Hell, the groups I were part of didn't even really need me except for my buffs. A bard or cleric pulling (can't remember if a paladin's pacify line worked) easily made up for an enchanter's crowd control abilities. Said groups would've been much more efficient with a damage dealing class instead.
Now, I haven't done hard adventures, so I've no clue if enchanters are required there.
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Addy had this to say about (_|_):
Not necessarily.An enchanter's role has lessened ever since the golden age of Kunark (arguably the best expansion... Velious would've been but it sucked as an enchanter). Before, crowd control was required, aka, you couldn't get past certain points of dungeons without a good enchanter. Now, even during LDoN, a regular group doesn't need an enchanter. Hell, the groups I were part of didn't even really need me except for my buffs. A bard or cleric pulling (can't remember if a paladin's pacify line worked) easily made up for an enchanter's crowd control abilities. Said groups would've been much more efficient with a damage dealing class instead.
Now, I haven't done hard adventures, so I've no clue if enchanters are required there.
Its not really that, Addy. Its that their capabilities have become alot more useful in terms of the mez line etc. Sure there are other classes that can partake of crowd control. LDoN has given many enchanters I know more incentive to play that class.
The thing with LDoN is that you wanna pull consistently.. pac pulling can be just as time consuming unless its absolutely needed. With the enchanter there it made 2-3 mob pulls easier. Got a friend that I group with alot.. and I do mean alot. *laugh* he 2boxes an enchanter and a ranger. Sometimes he switches between the slow and the fast computer.. ranger is usually on the slow computer but sometimes is put on the fast one (swapping places with the enchanter). I dont think Ive ever seen him 2box once in LDoN where he put the ranger on the fast box. *smile* The pullers keep him on his toes. Makes it more interesting. *grin* Believe me, the man used to get ultra sleepy in groups. Now he has more to do so its not as boring. On raids, he is totally bored out of his noggin and we end up amusing one another in tells.
*giggle* He and I have discussed the decline and now slow rise back again of the enchanters usefulness for anything other than buffs. *laugh* Personally I 
a good enchanter. =) In turn they usually me ;D Almost always designate myself as the chanterhealer. ;D
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Synjari had this to say about Robocop:
Its not really that, Addy. Its that their capabilities have become alot more useful in terms of the mez line etc. Sure there are other classes that can partake of crowd control. LDoN has given many enchanters I know more incentive to play that class.The thing with LDoN is that you wanna pull consistently.. pac pulling can be just as time consuming unless its absolutely needed. With the enchanter there it made 2-3 mob pulls easier. Got a friend that I group with alot.. and I do mean alot. *laugh* he 2boxes an enchanter and a ranger. Sometimes he switches between the slow and the fast computer.. ranger is usually on the slow computer but sometimes is put on the fast one (swapping places with the enchanter). I dont think Ive ever seen him 2box once in LDoN where he put the ranger on the fast box. *smile* The pullers keep him on his toes. Makes it more interesting. *grin* Believe me, the man used to get ultra sleepy in groups. Now he has more to do so its not as boring. On raids, he is totally bored out of his noggin and we end up amusing one another in tells.
*giggle* He and I have discussed the decline and now slow rise back again of the enchanters usefulness for anything other than buffs. *laugh* Personally I
a good enchanter. =) In turn they usually
I guess it may be just because your friend and I group in different styled groups (I suppose I could put it that way!). In my groups, I almost ALWAYS have a bard or cleric who is friggin obsessed with pulling, so I've never been really needed. LDoN honestly didn't make me want to play even more. 
It was just the same ol', same ol', sort of dealio. Then again, I've been playing my enchanter for 4.5 years, so that may be part of the reason why. I've just turned bitter when it comes to enchanter stuff.
BTW, I've always had a druid be my healer, especially on raids. My best healer (okay okay, my best druid healer, I admit I've had some pretty damn good cleric ones) knew how to scare me without getting me killed. 
Besides, clerics are generally busy with the main/off tanks, so a druid can pay more attention to my health. Plus I can bug them for Pot9 in return 
And yeah, probably different styled groups could be the reason why we see it differently. However you arent the only one who has a jaded look on enchanter. I never said he loved it.. he kinna plays it cause its necessary. Most people want his enchanter.. not his ranger.. for groups.. on top of it he 2-boxes cause he gets so bored with just single boxing... not sure he knows what to do with himself at those times. *rofl*
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Synjari said this about your mom:
Druids/enchanters make kickass teams in HoH =)And yeah, probably different styled groups could be the reason why we see it differently. However you arent the only one who has a jaded look on enchanter. I never said he loved it.. he kinna plays it cause its necessary. Most people want his enchanter.. not his ranger.. for groups.. on top of it he 2-boxes cause he gets so bored with just single boxing... not sure he knows what to do with himself at those times. *rofl*
Hah, back then I used to take over the monk's job of pulling, which kept me entertained for a couple of weeks. Some of my pick-up groups got a bit annoyed with me though, because I'd always have more than one mob at camp at all times. ^^ Those days were fun~
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Synjari was the win when they said:
so long as you have someone who is good at CC.. multiple pulls rock =) single pulls can get too boring. ;D
No kidding! The worst groups are when the puller decides that more than one mob per pull is too dangerous. ;(
We are used to at least 2 mob pulls. *giggle* Then again depends on where we are at. Say were it Storms giants, then yeah that gets really hairy unless someone is kiting the other giant around. etc ;D Easy in LDoN tho. Mez is luv. ;D Then again many things that they've done can be considered reckless. *grin* Hell many things Ive done with said enchanter can be considered reckless. ;D
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Everyone wondered WTF when 3 months wasted wrote:
Clerics are still the most wanted class.Someone PL me a cleric to 24 and give me plat to get my 24 spells on any server and I will be your friend.
Make cleric on Luclin server. me and Alludar will be happy to PL to 24
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How.... Synjari.... uughhhhhh:
*grin* I definately been in different groups than you Addy ;DWe are used to at least 2 mob pulls. *giggle* Then again depends on where we are at. Say were it Storms giants, then yeah that gets really hairy unless someone is kiting the other giant around. etc ;D Easy in LDoN tho. Mez is luv. ;D Then again many things that they've done can be considered reckless. *grin* Hell many things Ive done with said enchanter can be considered reckless. ;D
Funnest group i ever had was a BoT group at Forge. no chanter (no KEI or anything on any of the casters) but a bard who was truely awe inspiring. One managed to gate and brought back about a few friends, then the mobs in our camp started popping, then we got hit with a small train. Had one or two mobs on deck being tanked at all times and 4+ being mezzed for about 15 straight minutes. Was insanely fun.
[ 10-13-2003: Message edited by: The Dread Pirate Skittles ] the multi-pulls so much when there's good CC to be had.
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ACES! Another post by Enchantedorchid:
Make cleric on Luclin server. me and Alludar will be happy to PL to 24
Yeah, we'll get you covered there.
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Nina had this to say about dark elf butts:
Defense and Offense are the only skills that go up when you get PL'd by a druid, hah ;P
He's right on that account!
Unless you are getting PL'd by a druid AND a monk
*groan*
Defense is but one of the skills.. Im just giving same advice a friend gave me when I considered making a cleric character for use of raiding purposes.
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3 months wasted wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
He's right on that account!
Unless you are getting PL'd by a druid AND a monk
We've got Al to help, but one of us'll probly be on Enchanted to buff your mind.
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Synjari tried to impress everyone with:
Delid, if yer gonna PL a cleric.. make sure you dont neglect certain skills like defense etc.
Or Channeling....
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Drysart stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Or Channeling....
A friend of mine went through 52 levels before he found out there was a channeling skill. Needless to say he's still teased about it.
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A sleep deprived 3 months wasted stammered:
I'll call you on that right now
I offered and he turned me down.
