[ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Doomie ]
[ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Doomie ]
you were wrong
I am right handed and I naturally PREFER to be using that. Now if you wanna be cast down in the pit like Demos for bitching about not being able to turn fast enough with the mouse, mainly cause he turn the mouse speed to like .0001, I will gladly toss you down myself. Don't argue with my command setup it hasn't failed me yet. I'm not saying people should use the same set up as me but Using the keybad is just is probably easier then WASD cause of the set up, with WASD your crowded with keys and you can loose your place easily and I don't know how much faster your space pressing is to my control/KP_0/delete, my fingers hover just near there so reaction time isn't much of an issue.
Like it hasn't happened before. 
We're not saying that "Omg u must use wasd khy it's the way omg omg if u dont use it u sux", we're saying that you're boned unless you LOOK for a solution yourself (Something to which you are not prone to doing), or learn another setup. It's that simple. Who knows? You might actually LIKE wasd/esdf. Can't kill you to try.
I suggested a setup to Khyron that I used, cause I never use my enter key. I did not say anywhere not using my setup made you wrong, I did however state that I don't like WASD and do think it is worse then the keypad, these are my PERSONAL opions, something I think your not to found of. Now if you would put the mouse down and step away from the keyboard you could do us all a favor and don't argue with me.
Back the Khyron's problem
Using the scroll button for jumps? Do you press down or rotate it?
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Cysa Da Devil painfully thought these words up:
I work it like this:Default Half-Life controls
So, Khryon. . .I suppose this means you will always, always buy exactly the same make and model car for the rest of your life? If you pitch a fit this strongly over a game, I can only imagine how you react when you get in a car, and omg all the switches and buttons are slightly different!
Are you the least flexible person on the planet, or what? Jeebus.
It's fine that you choose not to play the game, but let's be clear where the fault lies: your inability to adapt.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
quote:And you call yourself a gamer. =p
Bloodsage painfully thought these words up:
It's fine that you choose not to play the game, but let's be clear where the fault lies: your inability to adapt.
Adapting your control scheme, especially a crucial button like jump, can, quite simply, absolutely screw with you. It's not the end of the world, but it is cause for complaint, as it's nonstandard to lock down enter. When you play games, specifically FPS's a lot, you get quite attatched to your control scheme, enough that it's a royal pain in the ass to change them. Hell, driving a car is cake next to being good at an FPS.
Yea, it's just a game...but screwing with someone's control scheme is serious dammit!
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Primary, and secondary.
Primary are Fire (And alt-fire), jump, crouch, walk, the movement (Forwards/backwards/strafe left/strafe right) and use.
Secondary are usually game specific. Changing weapons, special abilities (IE : Flashlights, force powers, my buy scripts in CS, spraypaint binds in CS, voice binds, etc) are all secondary. These change per game, and I have no problem rebinding these.
Changing secondary controls is fine for me, it's the primary ones, the ones I use for every single game I play that I have absolutely no desire to muck with.
Back to your car analogy : Sure, I have no problem getting a new car, if the primary controls are unchanged (Steering wheel still turns left to go left and right to go right, pedals in the right spot with clutch/brake/gas from left to right, the stick shift has all the gears in the proper places). The buttons and switches are all secondary controls. But if I go out there and find that with my brand new car, they've switched the clutch with the brake, or with the gas, and the steering wheel suddenly turns right to go left, no, I won't buy it.
If I knew that every single car that will be made from this point onwards would be the same way, I'd probably get used to it, but if it's just that one car? Hell no! [ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Khyron ]
Change your Halo shortcut to have '-console' at the end of it.
Go into the game, pull down the console, and hit TAB. Is there a 'bind' console command? If so, can you type in 'help bind' and tell me what it returns?
Thanks to anyone who can help.
quote:It's so hard to help people who aren't willing to help themselves.
Because, Khyron... You are a puppet.
Thanks to anyone who can help.
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Verily, Justaris doth proclaim:
Adapting your control scheme, especially a crucial button like jump, can, quite simply, absolutely screw with you.
I call shenanigans. I switched from keyboard look to arrow and mouse look to standard WASD to my own form of WASD, all in the space of two years, and I only got better. If you can't adapt, you're just terrible ^_^
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Nina had this to say about (_|_):
I call shenanigans. I switched from keyboard look to arrow and mouse look to standard WASD to my own form of WASD, all in the space of two years, and I only got better. If you can't adapt, you're just terrible ^_^
Ahh, but you adapted your own scheme, on a game that allows standard button bindings where a specific button binding that you wished, which is normally standard on just about every game out there, is allowed.
If there was one game that specifically disallowed, and only one game that did so, your particular bindings. You would be at least a bit annoyed. Concidering one game, and only one game, is forcing you to 'adapt' to a layout you wouldn't prefer to play with. Meaning you have to 'adapt' all your other games to that layout, because of one, and only one, games restrictions. Or be at a disadvatage when playing all the others games, until you grew accustomed to something you, honestly, were forced into doing. Or just not play the one game, and only one game, that is causing the problems.
It's not really a matter of adapting if it is one game, and only one game, that is non standard. [ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Faelynn LeAndris ]
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Skaw had this to say about Captain Planet:
I have different binding schemes for different games(IE, if a game doesn't have altfire, I bind my jump button to mouse2 instead of mouse3.) Khyron's just nitpicking.
It is pretty much nitpicking, but saying 'just adapt' to something that is non-standard, when it IS standard for everything else, isn't really adapting, it's isolating. 
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Black had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
It's so hard to help people who aren't willing to help themselves.
Aren't willing my ass
I've already spent time on various message boards and found out how to create the equivalent of an autoexec or config.cfg file for Halo (There is no config file you can manually edit), by creating an init.txt file in the directory, it's just a matter of trying to find out what command to put in there to try and get around the issue. And I would be looking myself, if I weren't at work right now.
quote:That's because you went from the wrong control scheme to the right one. =P
Nina had this to say about Optimus Prime:
I call shenanigans. I switched from keyboard look to arrow and mouse look to standard WASD to my own form of WASD, all in the space of two years, and I only got better. If you can't adapt, you're just terrible ^_^
[ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Justaris ]
Every car I have ever owned, and even the current car we drive... You pull the blinker stick back to turn on your brights... Well when I have had to drive my moms car, pulling the stick back turns on the fog lights, and putting it forward turns on the brights... I have litterally been driving it in and completely forgoten, because I was not used to it, and pulled the stick back which basically turns off the lights and turns on the fog lights...
Now there are a few cars designed that way, I have come to find out, but it is definitely not the standard way it is done, and seeing as how the lights have mostly moved to switches on the side instead of using the old stick, there wont be more like it.
Now since it was non standard, it was basically isolating the way I would normally do things, and what is standard.
The light moving to switches (Which may vary in location, but are still switches), is a reason to adapt, but the backwards stick for brights, is not.
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Kegwen had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
[QB][/QB]
You should see all the keybinds for NS I have. It's so crowded, it ain't funny. 90% of everything that can be done in the game (Even via the rightclick popup menu) is on my keyboard.
And Cysa: You're a tard. Khyron is so inflexible that no matter what you tell him, or what scheme "works for you", he'll whine and bitch and moan to no end until someone else does the work and fixes it for him.
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How.... Delphi Aegis.... uughhhhhh:
Khyron is so inflexible that no matter what you tell him, or what scheme "works for you", he'll whine and bitch and moan to no end until someone else does the work and fixes it for him.
Yeah, because whatever scheme "works for you" isn't going to be the same as what works for me. I used to use the keypad all the time, but it wasn't as comfortable, it was a bit to crowded for me, which is why I stick with the arrow keys.
You people have your preferences, I have mine. If you want to change, fine, I don't want to change, and sitting here listening to people arguing about how WASD is better and WASD is life and WASD is supreme. That's great, I'm happy for you. I'm not interested in changing.
It's more work for me to sit there and spend days or weeks re-learning a complete control scheme, re-doing my binds in all my games, than it is to find a work-around for one game, or simply not to play the game at all.
Why change? Why spend all the time to sit here and grow accustomed to a completely new control scheme? What I have works for everything else. Everyone says 'Oh, but it has more access to more buttons, so it's easier to use all the features!'. Well, that's great, but I never have any problems using all the features and buttons I need. 'But you can't bind enter in Halo!' Either there's a workaround and I'll use it, or I won't play Halo. No big loss. And I can still bind enter in every other game.
The point of this post was to see if there is a workaround to it. Can I bind enter any other way? If not, fine, I shall stick with Jedi Academy and the other FPS games I play. If so, I'd like to know how.
And if you still insist on preaching about how WASD is so great and fantastic, here's a wall for you to preach to - maybe it'll be interested in hearing you prattle on about it. I'm sure as hell not. [ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Khyron ]
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Kegwen impressed everyone with:
You're spending even MORE time complaining about it and trying to get Halo to conform to your strange preferences
I've been trying to find any info I can on how to use the console commands in Halo. The biggest reason I'm not in halo right now using the console and attempting different Keybinds, is because I'm at work.
Which, if you'll read above, is why I asked if there was anyone who could check it while I am here. If not, when I get home, I'll check it myself.
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This is what I came up with Khy, when I typed bind help it came up with the bind <string> <string> <string> line, but if I tried anything to the degree of bind enter it came up with the bind error message.
[ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Doomie ]
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Doomie's fortune cookie read:
I'll try fiddling around with it now Khy.
Thanks a million, Doomie 
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Verily, FrostyMunch doth proclaim:
WASDcures cancermakes your penis larger!
All the cool kids are doing it.
