Crazyness.
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Nick Seaton, the chairman of the Campaign for Real Education, described the changes as "political correctness gone stark raving bonkers".
I miss Bonkers. Grape was my favorite.
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George Carlin:
Speaking of potential mishaps, here's a phrase that apparently the airlines simply made up: near miss. They say that if two planes almost collide it's a near miss. Bullshit! It's a near hit! A COLLISION is a near miss.
*WHAM!* *CRUNCH!*
"Aw, look... they nearly missed."
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When Azizza says stuff like this, it proves there isn't a god:
Stupidity has no borders.
Look at a map, you can really easily tell when Canadian land stops and American soil begins. I'm gonna have to call you wrong on this one.
quote:No offense meant on my part to the US military. I just felt this fit the topic appropriately.
From An Evening (Wasted) With Tom Lehrer:
I have only comparatively recently emerged from the United States Army, so that I am now, of course, in the radioactive reserve. And, the usual jokes about the Army aside, one of the many fine things one has to admit is the way that the Army has carried the American democratic ideal to its logical conclusion, in the sense that not only do they prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, creed, and color, but also on the grounds of ability.
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Absolut Blindy impressed everyone with:
Look at a map, you can really easily tell when Canadian land stops and American soil begins. I'm gonna have to call you wrong on this one.
Shut the fuck up.
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Liam's account was hax0red to write:
Shut the fuck up.
He's saying that Canada has a higher IQ than America.
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Liam had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Shut the fuck up.
*makes fun of Newfoundland*
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Sentow, Maybe probably says this to all the girls:
He's saying that Canada has a higher IQ than America.
I figured it could be taken eitherway, and I made the assumption he would be biased towards America (Considering he's American)
lol canada
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The spokesman said the use of 'creditworthy' was appropriate because some answers to maths questions were worth several marks, and it was possible to get some marks even if the final answer was wrong.
No, not really.
You can develop an equation to accurately predict the future in the process, but if you end up with x = 1.2 and it's supposed to be x = 1 then your answer is 100% wrong.
That's the nature of math, if you get the wrong answer then you didn't do it right
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Maradon! attempted to be funny by writing:
No, not really.You can develop an equation to accurately predict the future in the process, but if you end up with x = 1.2 and it's supposed to be x = 1 then your answer is 100% wrong.
That's the nature of math, if you get the wrong answer then you didn't do it right
It's more so referring towards Method vs. Answer. I feel if you get the method correct, but mess up the calculations, you still deserve some marks. I mean, It shows you know HOW to do it, you just fucked it up.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
No, not really.You can develop an equation to accurately predict the future in the process, but if you end up with x = 1.2 and it's supposed to be x = 1 then your answer is 100% wrong.
That's the nature of math, if you get the wrong answer then you didn't do it right
Here in Denmark you get full points if you have everything including the answer right, however the most important thing is how you GOT to that answer. If you just put the answer down, you get zero points. If you calculate it the correct way but miscalculate on the final calculation, you still get most of the points. It largely prevents slipups.
That said, this is the stupidest shit I have ever heard of. Well, at least in the past week.
That being said, I think this is incredibly stupid. I mean, you can get 'partial credit', but calling it 'nearly passing' when you've clearly failed a yes/no or right/wrong question, you've made a mistake and failed that question. The fact that 97% of the survey saying that people think this is stupid should give them a heads up. [ 09-22-2003: Message edited by: Azrael Heavenblade ]
But noooooo, they want me to spend a good 2-3min writing out a problem that took me 30sec tops to solve.
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Maradon! had this to say about pies:
No, not really.You can develop an equation to accurately predict the future in the process, but if you end up with x = 1.2 and it's supposed to be x = 1 then your answer is 100% wrong.
That's the nature of math, if you get the wrong answer then you didn't do it right
Actually, you can use the absolutely correct method for doing the math problem, but round wrong in one place early on. You could transpose a number when doing the math and come out with a totally off answer. There are alot of ways you can know the formula, do the work right, and still get it wrong 
quote:This is particularly important to remember on college midterms where the entire exam consists of one fucking question.
Falaanla Marr is attacking the darkness!
Actually, you can use the absolutely correct method for doing the math problem, but round wrong in one place early on. You could transpose a number when doing the math and come out with a totally off answer. There are alot of ways you can know the formula, do the work right, and still get it wrong
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Hey kids, it's howdy-Tarquinndy time!
I'm feeling dumber after having read that. Er, I mean less intelligent.
You mean "nearly-smart"
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Jens r gud at lurnin:
That said, this is the stupidest shit I have ever heard of. Well, at least in the past week.
I don't know, for some reason I feel like playing devil's advocate here. The "politically correct moron administrator" story ought to be considered a cliche in the media; we've seen it any number of times here in America. We seem awfully quick to believe that a decision maker has the brain of an 8 year old and just creates policy capriciously, or at the whim of the Commie Bastards that we seem to feel are creeping into power.
Now I have no proof of this of course. I'm just suspicious about an article that makes no attempt to find out if there was a good reason for the change (well, they offered a token reason and then turned around and pounced on it). Look at the poll at the bottom--should it really be surprizing that 97% voted the first option? Voting anything but that would be like killing puppies and babies.
So to the actual point of the article. We take the journalist at his word there is no need for the changes--what does he know? Back in high school I saw fear turn perfectly reasonable policies turn into "The Liberals Are Comming!" in the newspaper, just because we had a change of headmaster. Who knows if anyone got the facts straight--this version will sure sell a lot of copies.
Finally, if the goal is to help students, what good is a "failure" rating anyway? I'm sure that's going to inspire the little buggers to work harder. Just like the old psychological terms "moron" and "ignoramus" did earlier this century.
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Nobody really understood why Iulius Czar wrote:Finally, if the goal is to help students, what good is a "failure" rating anyway? I'm sure that's going to inspire the little buggers to work harder. Just like the old psychological terms "moron" and "ignoramus" did earlier this century.
Yes, the threat of failure is a integral part of life. Once you get out of school, society will expect you to produce something, if you dont, then you can easily end up on the streets. "Near credit" won't get you a paycheck, and children need to realize this.
It's all well and good to do this for younger kids, but once kids get into high school, failure definatly needs to be an option, at least in my opinion.
And it should inspire them, what's the point in trying at all if there isn't anything BAD that will happen? Failure is a neccessity because it helps drive people.
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OtakuPenguin obviously shouldn't have said:
I'm with Maradon.With Math, It's RIGHT or it's WRONG.
What if you have an equation like:
5x + (10y - 3x3) = 13x and are asked to solve for Y in terms of X? And make one computational mistake at the start (Like, you subtract 5x from both sides, get the math wrong, and say it's only 9x on the other side), yet did everything else (Taking away the parenthesis, etc.) correctly?
Or in Trig if you finish most of a proof, but can't remember that final rule that ties it all together, even though the rest were right? You wanna get a big fat fucking 0 for thinking of 5-6 mathematical rules out of your head? [ 09-22-2003: Message edited by: Delphi Aegis ]
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OtakuPenguin had this to say about pies:
I'm with Maradon.With Math, It's RIGHT or it's WRONG.
Of course it is, but the point is, in LEARNING math, knowing how to get the answer is arguably more important than getting the right answer.
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Zair had this to say about dark elf butts:
Of course it is, but the point is, in LEARNING math, knowing how to get the answer is arguably more important than getting the right answer.
If you know how to get the right answer, you would have the right answer. Math is black and white, if you didn't answer, you didn't do it right. In my experience showing your work is BS to deter cheating and to discourage the over use of calculators.
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Peter enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
If you know how to get the right answer, you would have the right answer. Math is black and white, if you didn't answer, you didn't do it right. In my experience showing your work is BS to deter cheating and to discourage the over use of calculators.
I mean like, if you do it correctly but make some minor mistake (see Delphi's post above me)
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Peter had this to say about the Spice Girls:
If you know how to get the right answer, you would have the right answer. Math is black and white, if you didn't answer, you didn't do it right. In my experience showing your work is BS to deter cheating and to discourage the over use of calculators.
Not necessarily
Oh no, I misplaced a decimal on accident, causing the answer to be different. I should miss the entire problem!
Sure, you get quite a few points off for screwing up, but you at least get some recognition for the fact that you [ 09-23-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]did it right clearly demonstrated the ability to solve the problem. Careless errors are not equal to not knowing how to do the problem. The answer is not the most important part in math, it's how you get there. Physics application is a bit different, but in high school math... it's all about the procedure.
With that said, showing work in a math class is important because it proves you're using an honest to god approach to getting the answer, and hopefully you see why any problem is solved the way it is. Knowing why any problem works the way it does puts you closer to seeing relationships between math formulas so that you'll know how to setup models of your own if necessary. There's no job that's going to ask dy/dx if y=x^2 + sin(3x). There are some jobs where it will be necessary, though, to look over some situation and decide you need to find dy/dx if y=x^2 + sin(3x). Calculator use really doesn't mean dick; you can't just wave your calculator around an airplane blueprints and have it find the best efficiencies for each part.
The answer is important, of course, but in a math evaluation, if all you get tested on is answers, there's no indication if you really understand which equation goes where. At least by showing work you show that you are capable of going through the process from determining how to get from the equation on the paper to the answer you will put down.
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Peter's fortune cookie read:
If you know how to get the right answer, you would have the right answer. Math is black and white, if you didn't answer, you didn't do it right. In my experience showing your work is BS to deter cheating and to discourage the over use of calculators.
In arithmetic and algebra maybe. But once you're beyond that point doing all your additions right only proves that you still can add. A lot of my math classes were calculatorless because of all the nifty symbolic junk they can do, so it wasn't uncommon for me to get to the bottom of the page having missed a carry somewhere. You can't tell me that I deserve the same zero points that someone with a blank answer does.
And as for what may be your next point, that "bridges fall because of little slips like that," true, but I wouldn't try to build a bridge (1) in 55 minutes (2) without a calculator and (3) without a team of similarly bright engineers working together to make sure crap doesn't happen.
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Zair got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
I mean like, if you do it correctly but make some minor mistake (see Delphi's post above me)
It is still a mistake. You fail until you learn not to make any mistake. If my old man goes out and make a minor mistake in his work, it doesnt end up "well you almost had it", it ends up with bad shit happening, people might not get heat, or worse shit starts to blow up, and my old man would get fired.
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A sleep deprived Peter stammered:
It is still a mistake. You fail until you learn not to make any mistake. If my old man goes out and make a minor mistake in his work, it doesnt end up "well you almost had it", it ends up with bad shit happening, people might not get heat, or worse shit starts to blow up, and my old man would get fired.
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Learn not to make mistakes, kids! Our Lord is perfect, and you will be too!
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Oscar 3/Xray 1 got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
ahahahahahahahahahahahahaLearn not to make mistakes, kids! Our Lord is perfect, and you will be too!
No, the thing is, if you keep sugarcoating shit, it's gonna hurt a lot worse when they hit the real world and they don't know how to cope with failure.
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OtakuPenguin's fortune cookie read:
No, the thing is, if you keep sugarcoating shit, it's gonna hurt a lot worse when they hit the real world and they don't know how to cope with failure.
Err, not so ninja edit.
It doesn't seem to shift scores so much as it will give them a more precise scale to work on (so that a score closer to the student's "real score" can be given instead of a vague approximation). [ 09-23-2003: Message edited by: Oscar 3/Xray 1 ]
