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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Duck Tales:
So how is his assumption that I called him an idiot fair enough?
Read the second sentence.
Y'know, I wasn't responding so much to your comment as I was to Deth's.
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Maradon XP had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Half the limousine liberals out there couldn't point out Iraq on a map.
Really, professor? What do you base that statement on?
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Drysart wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Really, professor? What do you base that statement on?
Lemme dig up that old CNN pic where Switzerland was misplaced 
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Drysart stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Really, professor? What do you base that statement on?
Well that was pure speculation, which is why I wasn't making a point with it.
If I were to make a point, though, it would be that I've never heard a coherent anti-war argument come out of a single hollywood actor or peace protestor, and I know many. (peace protestors that is, not hollywood actors).
And my qualifications for "coherent" are quite loose. In fact, I'd be satisfied with anything other than "It's about oil/Bush is stupid"
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Maradon XP stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
And my qualifications for "coherent" are quite loose. In fact, I'd be satisfied with anything other than "It's about oil/Bush is stupid"
You obviously haven't looked very hard. If you can patronizingly simplify the reasons that some people are against the war down to two "omg so stupid!" points, then you're thinking with your gut and not with your brain. I'm not going to bother trying to change your already closed mind on the issue, because if you were open to considering opposing viewpoints, you'd at least have some knowledge of the opposing viewpoints. [ 03-25-2003: Message edited by: Drysart ]
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Iron Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
Seriously Deth, do you have to go around threatening everyone that so much that says anything to Lyinar?Seriously, who do you think fears you? "Oh no! He'll attack me with his Essay of Smiting +2!"
Give it a rest, jocko.
Hey I could be like you, Parce, going around sticking my nose into everyone's business. Might I remind you that there was a period there where people were getting tired of your rather abusive brand of humor.
I'm getting sick and tired of seeing people painting Lyinar out as being some sort of roid rage driven assailant. I can't remember the last time she yelled at someone in all caps. Prior to this thread and an apparent willfull misunderstanding of the example she used by Hong Kong Fooey'zen Fastfists, this thread was largely peaceful.
And since no one ELSE will stand up and say "hey jackass, knock it off" then it falls to me to do so. Make sense to you, Parce? Afraid I might write an essay? Want me to break it down into small, simple, easy to understand terms for you?
You don't like me getting nasty towards people, fine. Ignore me. Click the "alert moderator" button. I could care less.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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This one time, at Drysart camp:
You obviously haven't looked very hard. If you can patronizingly simplify the reasons that some people are against the war down to two "omg so stupid!" points, then you're thinking with your gut and not with your brain. I'm not going to bother trying to change your already closed mind on the issue, because if you were open to considering opposing viewpoints, you'd at least have some knowledge of the opposing viewpoints.
Know where we can find some of these intelligent viewpoints opposing the war?
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JooJooFlop had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Know where we can find some of these intelligent viewpoints opposing the war?
Why not start with some of the diplomats at the U.N.?
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Nobody really understood why Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote:
And since no one ELSE will stand up and say "hey jackass, knock it off" then it falls to me to do so.
I think Lyinar is perfectly capable of explaining and defending herself. She doesn't need anyone else to.
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Drysart stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Why not start with some of the diplomats at the U.N.?
I was hoping for a link to an essay or something. Or maybe just a couple points on the subject.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Mikasi wrote:
Sheesh, whoever wrote that article sure left alot of facts out. Bush went to Harvard and Yale, yes. How was it paid for though? The Bush fortune was started by our current President's grandfather, working as a director of the Union Banking Corporation, owned by Nazi industrialists, who laundered money through a Dutch bank before hiding it in Bush's bank. The bank of course was dissolved in 1951 and granpappy Bush ran off with the money.Cheney, during the Clinton administration, was CEO of Halliburton Industries, an oil company that had a strong business relationship with Saddam Hussein.
Hey a word of advice. Do a bit more research before you go around spouting bullshit like this. A lot of people try to throw those supposed "facts" around. And all they get is pie in the face when the truth is shown to them.
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Azizza thought about the meaning of life:
Hey a word of advice. Do a bit more research before you go around spouting bullshit like this. A lot of people try to throw those supposed "facts" around. And all they get is pie in the face when the truth is shown to them.
Please state whast is fictitious about his claims.
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Drysart was listening to Cher while typing:
Why not start with some of the diplomats at the U.N.?
He said intelligent viewpoints. Not ones from people who want to protect thier income.
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Azizza had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
He said intelligent viewpoints. Not ones from people who want to protect thier income.
Sorry 
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To me it sounded like an attack, so I just wanted to clarify. I DO agree. I don't see a lot of those actor's opinions as much more than just "let's use our fame to have our opinion spread on TV!".
Yeah. Research is good, personal experience is good, but I believe all opinions should have equal exposure and weight and it is the individual's responsability to decide which he adheres to.
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Nicole stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Please state whast is fictitious about his claims.
I couldn't say whether or not it is fictitious, but I fail to see what it has to do with anything regarding Bush's education.
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Azizza had this to say about Punky Brewster:
He said intelligent viewpoints. Not ones from people who want to protect thier income.
I might be going out on a limb here, but I'd venture to say that diplomats in the U.N. know a little more about international relations than you do, despite however you'd like to insult them to diminish that point.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Drysart said:
Why not start with some of the diplomats at the U.N.?
ROFL!
Was that the one that started, "Wait! We need more time for diplomacy to work; 12 years isn't enough," or the one that ran, "You can't go in there; my country has billions in illicit deals with Saddam that we'll lose out on," or was it maybe the one that went, "Onos! If we start enforcing our mandate now, what will people think?"
I'm not a big fan of war--remember, it's the people I know and work with who get shot and die when that happens--but sometimes it is the right thing to do.
Now, the one argument one could make is that we could continue containment indefinitely. The problem, though, is that it's very expensive over the long haul, and there's no way to prevent the regime, eventually, from acquiring weapons that will destabilize the region and force a conflict anyway, but on their terms. Further, that kind of cold calculus completely ignores the plight of the Iraqi people, who are living under one of the most brutal regimes ever.
Oddly, though the peace protesters pretend to do so out of human kindness, they conveniently ignore the millions of Iraqis who live in constant terror.
Finally, Mikasi, where do you get the information that the President has only a 4th grade reading level? That's plainly not true. And, as someone with a fair bit of public speaking experience, I would challenge you to do any better reading a teleprompter in front of an audience you know is in the millions.
I didn't pay for any of my three Master's degrees, either--does that mean what I've learned is somehow not valid?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent JooJooFlop said:
I couldn't say whether or not it is fictitious, but I fail to see what it has to do with anything regarding Bush's education.
Azizza: It's possible I am wrong about one or more of the things I wrote. I never claimed to be perfect. Let me know what you think is wrong and I'll do some more research though public records.
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Nicole impressed everyone with:
Sorry.
To me it sounded like an attack, so I just wanted to clarify. I DO agree. I don't see a lot of those actor's opinions as much more than just "let's use our fame to have our opinion spread on TV!".
Yeah. Research is good, personal experience is good, but I believe all opinions should have equal exposure and weight and it is the individual's responsability to decide which he adheres to.
You're confusing opinions and beliefs again. All opinions are not equal, and do not deserve equal attention.
While one doesn't discard an opinion based upon the source, usually, an opinion must be backed by sound reasoning to be valid, and education and experience can play into that.
I don't call a hairdresser, for example, if I need a medical opinion.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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T. E. Bloodsage had this to say about John Romero:
I didn't pay for any of my three Master's degrees, either--does that mean what I've learned is somehow not valid?
Depends... did they come from Yale or Harvard??
Insert humor disclaimer here.
PPS: Good to see you're still okies, 'sage. Stay that way, y'hear.
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Mikasi had this to say about Knight Rider:
I wasn't trying to make a point about Bush's education. Just showing how writers can manipulate by giving the facts they want you to have. I was responding to the article in general and the only opinion I'll give is that the article was very biased.
*scratches his head*
So, the writer of the essay was showing bias by not mentioning how Bush paid for his education? Your reasoning for feeling it was very biased is still quite unclear to me.
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Tegadil was listening to Cher while typing:
SAGEZILLA!
Tegadil points into the sky, mouths very long words, and runs away.
*screams and runs with his arms flailing in the air*
I myself am undecided on the war issue; IÂ’m well aware that I donÂ’t have anywhere near enough information to make a well-reasoned judgment, and with my harried schedule I donÂ’t really have the time IÂ’d need to thoroughly research the issue. At the moment, I lean towards pro-war; mainly because I haven't done enough research into the alternative actions. However, its important that we donÂ’t just instantly write off the anti-war arguments. Since the pro-war side has been pretty well explained, and many havenÂ’t even heard much of the anti-war side other than the anti-bush rhetoric (no better than the anti-peace protester rhetoric), I can at least try to explain some of the reasons that I find most convincing from the anti-war side.
In taking out Saddam’s regime, we’re making ourselves at least partially responsible for the condition of the Iraqi people afterwards. Before someone misinterprets that as me saying it’s our fault, what I mean is that we’re not simply going to be able to oust Saddam, then wave and say “have a good time figuring yourselves out, people of Iraq”; it will be our responsibility to help establish stability after we’ve taken out the old order. The problem is, in ousting Saddam, we may find we’ve opened a hornet’s nest. To paraphrase how it was put to me once, we’re not going to have trouble taking out Saddam, but the day we do, we’re going to find a (metaphorical) envelope, which has one of two things written in it. If we’re lucky, the envelope will read:
“Congratulations, you’ve just released WWII Germany from Hitler. You have a released these people from an evil dictator’s hardship, and they will now be able to form a more prosperous nation under new, more democratic ideals.”
However, if weÂ’re not so lucky, the envelope will read:
“Congratulations, you’ve just removed Tito from Yugoslavia. It turns out that the harsh, dictatorial regime, horrible as it was, was all that was holding the racial hatred and dangerous groups back, and now that’s gone, so the entire country is breaking up into chaos far worse than the dictator ever caused. And it’s now your responsibility. Say hi to Milosevic for me when he comes.”
We honestly don’t know which we’ll find, but taking one look at the current situation in Iraq, the rampant anti-westernism, the racial problems with Kurds that exist throughout the middle east, and plenty of other factors, many are leaning towards the “Yugoslavia situation”, so to speak, though this could easily end up even worse than that.
Ousting Saddam is not a decision to be taken lightly; I can easily see why the anti-war people stand where they do. I wonÂ’t deny there are equally powerful arguments for action; thereÂ’s a reason IÂ’m undecided. But the anti-war position should not be thrown off as laughable.
This is only one point for the anti-war crowd, there are plenty of others, but IÂ’ve run out of time, IÂ’ve got a midterm tomorrow, so I canÂ’t stay on long. I hope to get a chance to post here more tomorrow. [ 03-25-2003: Message edited by: Chalesm ]
In the beginning the Universe was created.Douglas Adams, 1952-2001
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T. E. Bloodsage had this to say about dark elf butts:
I don't call a hairdresser, for example, if I need a medical opinion.
What if your hairdesser was a former nurse?
As far as anything else, take it how you want, nit pick, believe it, ignore it, or look into it. I'm sorry if some of you feel it was an attack against you personally. The easy way to deal with this is by clicking that little button that reads: Ignore this user.
I was trying to make a point about the article and just used the President as an example. He's an easy target due to his high profile. If you missed the point then I'm sorry for not making myself more clear. I refuse to get drawn into a 'did so' 'did not' argument. Besides, I'm a highschool dropout. What do I know and what do you care?
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Mikasi's fortune cookie read:
Ok, 4th grade reading level was an exaggeration that I thought would be rather obvious. It was based on an interview with Bush when he said that The Very Hungry Caterpillar was his favorite childhood book, the book not having been published until one year after Bush graduated from college.
I've been sitting here since you posted that trying to figure out how this has anything to do with his reading ability and English skills.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I think Lyinar is perfectly capable of explaining and defending herself. She doesn't need anyone else to.
I'm not going to berate him for standing up for me if that's what he chooses to do. I did explain and defend myself and if he wants to do the same, I fully support his decision in doing so.
Btw, Mikasi, did you ever think he might be saying that because he was referring to the genre?
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone did not come out until I was in high school. It's a big favorite of mine. Yet the reading level is a young adult reading level, usually from 6th grade to 8th grade.
Does this mean, because this is one of my favorite book series, that *I* only possess a 6th grade reading level?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I'm not going to berate him for standing up for me if that's what he chooses to do. I did explain and defend myself and if he wants to do the same, I fully support his decision in doing so.
It's just a little frustraiting to be talking to you only to have Deth respond for you and vice versa.
It's kinda weird, too. If I didn't know better I'd say you and Deth were twins conjoined at the skull, sharing the same brain.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Captain Planet:
...It's kinda weird, too. If I didn't know better I'd say you and Deth were twins conjoined at the skull, sharing the same brain.
I wonder, going by the laws of Tv , Movies and Science fiction, one would be the good one, and the other the horrible evil mutant one..which is which?
I'm the horrible, evil mutant. I mean you all hate me anyway, right? [ 03-25-2003: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Now to make my escape from this thread and be ruthlessly mauled elsewhere!
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Mikasi stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Well, I've done a brilliant job of getting my points across. *note heavy sarcasm* I've completely butchered the intent of my posts tonight as well as learned a valuable lesson. Political topics are more explosive than religious ones here. Sorry for causing an uproar.Now to make my escape from this thread and be ruthlessly mauled elsewhere!
Just don't go to the navy thread.
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Mikasi said this about your mom:
Well, I've done a brilliant job of getting my points across. *note heavy sarcasm* I've completely butchered the intent of my posts tonight as well as learned a valuable lesson. Political topics are more explosive than religious ones here. Sorry for causing an uproar.Now to make my escape from this thread and be ruthlessly mauled elsewhere!
Well I can only speak for myself but I don't think you need to be "mauled". My post came off a bit harsh but hey it was late and I was tired. I posted quicker than I should have.
Around here, and especially on political threads you need to have a lot to back up what you say. I have seen some of the stuff you posted before and I have dug around to find the truth. If you would have tried to do much research into it you would have found the same stuff I did. (I will post it later if I can dig it up again)
You are new here. You are still "feeling out the water" so to speak, so I dont' think anyone really faults you or anything.
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Azizza obviously shouldn't have said:
You are new here. You are still "feeling out the water" so to speak, so I dont' think anyone really faults you or anything.
Maradon XP made a point that he hadn't heard any coherent anti-war argument come out of a Hollywood actor or peace protestor. I've heard alot of people for the war only give reasons of 'we must support our President.' There's too much blind following on both sides of the issue and I'd simply like more people to make up their own minds instead of letting themselves be led around. If you're going to support or protest the war or the government, do so for your own reasons.
In conclusion, I know my post came off as very anti-Bush but I was merely going in the extreme opposite direction of the article to attempt (and ultimately fail) to get my point across. I'm personally on middle ground, seeing both the pros and cons, and yes...I will do some more digging around and certainly won't mind being proven wrong. Live and learn...
The article dealt strictly with the allegations that certain people keep calling Bush stupid, for no particular reason, and whose own resumes don't stand the very same scrutiny.
That's why the actors' "other accomplishments" weren't mentioned--they aren't relevant to the discussion.
It's important around here, as someone mentioned, to have your ducks in a row before saying anything controversial. . .plenty of smart people here don't take too kindly to bullshit arguments or baseless political/religious grandstanding.
So if you want to make the point about the article being biased, you really need to point to an error of fact or an omission which skews the conclusion. Given the narrow focus of the article--comparing the qualifications of Hollywood actors to second-guess our national leadership on matters of international relations (and the sub-matter of these uneducated people calling him stupid)--I found neither of these logical faults.
One may argue with political decisions, but must acknowledge that our national leaders are neither stupid nor uninformed, and that, indeed, they are privy to information we are not.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Tier stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Wow. That article has no bias whatsoever!
When conservatives yell liberal bias, the liberals always claim it's not biased. When liberals yell conservative bias, they're praised for showing us the EVILS of conservative media!
Non-biased media is almost laughable, especially in America. Get over it. (edit: that is to say... pick the media outlet you believe you can trust to deliver the news as close to truth as possible. However, articles like the one posted at the beginning of this thread aren't news reports, they're just articles. Of course articles are going to be biased. News can be delivered without bias, but opinions cannot) [ 03-26-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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T. E. Bloodsage had this to say about Knight Rider:
Not everything which takes a stand is "biased."The article dealt strictly with the allegations that certain people keep calling Bush stupid, for no particular reason, and whose own resumes don't stand the very same scrutiny.
That's why the actors' "other accomplishments" weren't mentioned--they aren't relevant to the discussion.
It's important around here, as someone mentioned, to have your ducks in a row before saying anything controversial. . .plenty of smart people here don't take too kindly to bullshit arguments or baseless political/religious grandstanding.
So if you want to make the point about the article being biased, you really need to point to an error of fact or an omission which skews the conclusion. Given the narrow focus of the article--comparing the qualifications of Hollywood actors to second-guess our national leadership on matters of international relations (and the sub-matter of these uneducated people calling him stupid)--I found neither of these logical faults.
One may argue with political decisions, but must acknowledge that our national leaders are neither stupid nor uninformed, and that, indeed, they are privy to information we are not.
'zactly. I say, with little fear of contradiction, that Sage, myself or UBT are infinitely more qualified to intelligently hold forth on these matters than every freakin' celebrate who's bothered to flap their lips combined. We simply have the knowledge and background to talk about it better. I can't recall the last time I heard someone on Hollywood's A-list got invited to NSA for a sit-down briefing about what's going on in Iraq. I've seen nothing to indicate even self-study on the topic on their part.
Perhaps if these folks put half the effort into perfecting their acting that they did into their political activism, movies wouldn't suck as bad as they do. [ 03-27-2003: Message edited by: Callalron ]
