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There was much rejoicing when Gevarien / Modrakien said this:
IF this stuff turns out to be true it would be reason enough to eliminate Iraq's WMD-capabilities by force, yes.
I agree.
However... if it comes to the question of who do I trust more; the USA saying that the Iraq has WMDs or the Iraq denying it... hmmm, damn... I'm afraid my vote goes to the USA.
And I really try to believe what the Iraq says...
It would be nice if live and let live solved the worlds problems. But it doesn't. It is a global community whether we like it or not. Nuclear winter is not selective. Bio-chemicals don't stop at the bobbed wire fence and say ohhh, bad chemical weapon stay away from the boarder.
I am not belitteling the seriousness of this. In fact my point is even if one person from this message board got killed because of an act of war, this board would be deaply effected. No matter thier nationality or beliefs.
Look how everyone responded to the story of the kid who OD'd on the web cam. And not a one of us knows this kid or anyone on the chat room. What if instead it was watching the kid being blown away by a nuclear blast? Or even a forien military comming in and shooting him for what ever reason?
War is not forgiving. And it doesn't just happen to the other guys. What ever happens happens to us all.
Aani, I've been having dreams too. Not the end of the world but a lot of destruction. 
Now I don't pretend to know first hand what a real war is like but I also harbor no illusions about it.
People die in wars mostly troops but often enough civilians get caught in the crossfire. Do you think that the GIs in WW2 would not destroy a building that had a sniper or machine gun nest in it just because there MAY be noncoms in it?
The US more than any other country goes out of its way to not harm civilians. Even at the expense of our own lives. However there is a line. We proved that in WW2. We dropped two of the most deadly weapons known to man on cities. Hundreds of thousands died as a result. However it is estimated that 5 or even 10 times that number of lives were saved.
The problem is that the current society is unwilling to take those steps. Now I don't think that nukes are the answer. However if we do go to war there is a chance of civilians getting killed. Some will take up arms against us. Some of those will be women and children.
Perhaps I am wrong but I feel there will be quite an uproar when the first image of a 14 year old boy shot dead by an American Soldier is splashed all over CNN. And the AK47 the boy was holding will be pointedly ignored.
I swear to christ I'll show them how magical we are as a country. We do better than making a tiger disapear, we make entire countries disapear.
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What do we as americans have to gain by going to war with Iraq?
I want all of you non Americans on here to think about this.
We are seated at a very clumsy seat of power, with a economic crisis. Going to war would not be a big help unless it was two other countries and we were selling to them.
Regardless of what it is said, america is an economy ment more for markets and sales, than for war.
The fact that we would make up this evidence is retarded. Why would we? What could be possibly gain from this?
Oh yay we go to war? WTF? We don't want war. We wanna go back to the way things were. What on gods green and brown earth would make us think war would help us. Do you understand how many soldiers we would loose by starting this war?
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On another note to think about.
Many countries attack the US because we are one of the strongest nations in the world, and they think by taking down the king, all the lords will follow. How long after the US falls do you think it would be before another country in power comes under attack?
Sadam's goals are no short of Hitlers. One country will not be enough to sate their hunger. Anyone up for another WWII? [ 02-06-2003: Message edited by: NecroPope ]
It comes down to this. Saddam is a danger, not only to the area but to the stability of the world. Yes he is one small country, but so was Germany. Now as much as I hate to bring that into the argument, it still holds true. There is no denying that Hussain would glady take over the whole reigon and kill anyone who opposes him. If he could he would wipe out Isreal, the United States, Europe, etc.
What do we have to gain by going in? really not much. What do we have to lose if we don't? More than I care to even think about.
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Azizza stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
What do we have to gain by going in? really not much. What do we have to lose if we don't? More than I care to even think about.
That pretty much summs up my feelings in the matter.
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Azizza had this to say about John Romero:
Despite what many people claim we dont' really have anything to gain from attacking Iraq. Thier oil supply are pretty bad compared to what we already have avilible and much worse than the rest of the area, that is why they attacked Kuwait. So that argument goes right out the window.It comes down to this. Saddam is a danger, not only to the area but to the stability of the world. Yes he is one small country, but so was Germany. Now as much as I hate to bring that into the argument, it still holds true. There is no denying that Hussain would glady take over the whole reigon and kill anyone who opposes him. If he could he would wipe out Isreal, the United States, Europe, etc.
What do we have to gain by going in? really not much. What do we have to lose if we don't? More than I care to even think about.
Seriously...
Can someone find the numbers regarding the oil we get from Iraq? The portion of our oil that comes from Iraq is very minute. Not becuase of Saddam, but because we don't need their oil, really. There are much more respectable countries with oil available.
