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Topic: Can you melt wood?
Maradon!
posted 01-21-2003 12:03:50 AM
Ok, wood combusts, right?

Combustion is an exothermic reaction requiring oxygen.

So say you put a piece of wood in a hard vacuum and heated it a whole lot.

Would it melt?

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:06:14 AM
No.

Wood is made up of lots of cellulose, which is very long chains of polymers. A liquid is defined as a collection of mobile molecules - in other words they move around easily. Now, long chains of things can't move around very easily. Also, there are hydrogen bonds between the hydroxyl groups in the polymers that hold everything together. In other words, you'd have to put so much energy into breaking up these bonds and the long chains that before the wood melted it would decompose and no longer be wood.

[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Black Mage ]



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 12:06:37 AM
I know you can melt those cheap pencils, that look like old school no.2 pencils, but are shinier, and more flexible...
Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Canadian Mountee
Rumble Pak+FMV Sequence=FUN!
posted 01-21-2003 12:09:10 AM
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Tron:
I know you can melt those cheap pencils, that look like old school no.2 pencils, but are shinier, and more flexible...

Eagle Pencils, or whatever.

They're mostly plastic, and good jesus yes they melt. Fast, with lots of black smoke.

Not perfect combustion, no sir.

The World is Yours
Maradon!
posted 01-21-2003 12:09:56 AM
quote:
Verily, Black Mage doth proclaim:
In other words, you'd have to put so much energy into breaking up these bonds and the long chains that before the wood melted it would decompose and no longer be wood.

Well shit. There go my plans for a mixed drink using liquid wood.

Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 01-21-2003 12:09:58 AM
quote:
Lashanna wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I know you can melt those cheap pencils, that look like old school no.2 pencils, but are shinier, and more flexible...

They don't really melt when you wave them in front of your face, they just look like it!

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Canadian Mountee
Rumble Pak+FMV Sequence=FUN!
posted 01-21-2003 12:11:19 AM
quote:
Rodent King had this to say about pies:
They don't really melt when you wave them in front of your face, they just look like it!

No really, I've melted them with lighters.

The World is Yours
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-21-2003 12:11:56 AM
Depends if it's dry wood or green wood. Green wood could "melt" just like your brain cells can melt (at 108 Degrees Farenheit, btw). But you'd have to modify conditions perfectly. Dead wood is exactly what BM said.

Of course acid could "melt" wood (though "slag" is probably a better verb). But it does it by altering the chemical composition, at which point it's not wood.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Maradon!
posted 01-21-2003 12:12:07 AM
quote:
Liam got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
No really, I've melted them with lighters.

You can come close to melting them just by holding them under your armpit for a while.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:13:47 AM
quote:
Maradon XP stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Well shit. There go my plans for a mixed drink using liquid wood.
There is still hope.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-21-2003 12:14:52 AM
quote:
Maradon XP stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
You can come close to melting them just by holding them under your armpit for a while.

have you stopped wearing deodorant or something?

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 12:14:55 AM
quote:
Liam had this to say about dark elf butts:
Eagle Pencils, or whatever.

They're mostly plastic, and good jesus yes they melt. Fast, with lots of black smoke.

Not perfect combustion, no sir.


They're cool to melt, and bug people with.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 12:14:57 AM
quote:
Liam had this to say about dark elf butts:
Eagle Pencils, or whatever.

They're mostly plastic, and good jesus yes they melt. Fast, with lots of black smoke.

Not perfect combustion, no sir.


They're cool to melt, and bug people with.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Maradon!
posted 01-21-2003 12:15:57 AM
quote:
Liam spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Eagle Pencils, or whatever.

They're mostly plastic, and good jesus yes they melt. Fast, with lots of black smoke.

Not perfect combustion, no sir.


They're cool to melt, and bug people with.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:17:36 AM
quote:
How.... Liam.... uughhhhhh:
Eagle Pencils, or whatever.

They're mostly plastic, and good jesus yes they melt. Fast, with lots of black smoke.

Not perfect combustion, no sir.


They're cool to melt, and bug people with.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-21-2003 12:18:34 AM
ROFLFODLSAFLSADOF DOUBLE POST.

Yes, I know you'll have it editted by the time I post this. But I'm a douche, so, you know. *gestures helplessly*

You may not be able to melt wood, but you can burn concrete (with a ridiculously hot flame, but yes.) Of course, at such temperatures, you start producing NOX, which is a pretty nasty gas. But who am I to talk? I hate chemistry!

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 12:22:11 AM
You are all a bunch of retards.

[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Lashanna ]

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:24:03 AM
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
You are all a bunch of retards.
To be honest, I was expecting more scratching and biting. Animal fury.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 12:27:03 AM
quote:
Black Mage was naked while typing this:
[QUOTE]Lashanna had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
[qb]You are all a bunch of retards.

To be honest, I was expecting more scratching and biting. Animal fury.[/QB][/QUOTE]

?

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Maradon!
posted 01-21-2003 12:29:08 AM
I cringe every time I see that.

Dear god...that poor computer

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:29:36 AM
quote:
Lashanna thought about the meaning of life:
[xIMG]http://www.WintersRoar.com/~rosaline/compaq2.jpg[/IMG]?

[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Black Mage ]



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Super Kagrama
ROFLELFOLOL!!!11!1 YUO CAN'T RAED MY POSTSSE!@!11
posted 01-21-2003 12:29:40 AM
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Knight Rider:
?

Captain Cuddles, bring us up to speed!

i shoueld joeg threw the foreast moer offeand!!11
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-21-2003 12:31:46 AM
The cat's in there it scare the hamsters into running in their wheels faster!
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-21-2003 12:31:56 AM
quote:
Super Kagrama enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Captain Cuddles, bring us up to speed!

Kagrama wins hehehehe...

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 12:33:46 AM
quote:
This one time, at Black Mage camp:
[xIMG]http://schmode.net/tigercub036.jpg[/IMG][/QB]

?

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 01:05:15 AM

...




Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-21-2003 01:08:04 AM
...you know, I had almost forgotten that part of 8-Bit theater. Pass the bleach.
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 01:13:30 AM
I love that part of 8-Bit, ^_^
Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 01-21-2003 01:14:17 AM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Lashanna was all like:
I love that part of 8-Bit, ^_^

Wanna grab a pizza?

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Lashanna
noob
posted 01-21-2003 01:15:44 AM
quote:
D had this to say about dark elf butts:
Wanna grab a pizza?

Sure...

...Can we get extra pepperonis and cheese?

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-21-2003 01:16:29 AM
Meatballs if nothing else!
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Aaniele Jadedsky
Pancake
posted 01-21-2003 03:41:19 AM
quote:
A sleep deprived Maradon XP stammered:

So say you put a piece of wood in a hard vacuum and heated it a whole lot.

Would it melt?



It would probably turn to charcole, assumeing you continued to pull off the gasses released by heated wood. Its a process called coking, or burn without oxygen. Make coked coal and use it in powerplants, lots more BTUs than soft coal (some of you may remember the discussion of how many BUTs in a coal train, but thats beside the point)

Anyway, a process similar to that is exactally how you make charcoal. You would use a sealed container with an airlock similar to the ones used for brewing, and heat the hole thing up. The non-carbon substances heated and rises off, but dont burn. the carbon is left and you have charcoal. If you take a soda can, pack it full of wood and stick it in a camp fire, you'll see that stuff coming out.

"A friend will help you move, a good friend will help you move a body"
diadem
eet bugz
posted 01-21-2003 11:25:28 AM
this is from my lurker friend who made the aim bot...

quote:
http://newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99366.htm http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/database/Chemistry/Original/c00027d.html

I think he wants people to stop bickering about this and play with his monkey.

play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 01-21-2003 12:17:58 PM
quote:
diadem stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
this is from my lurker friend who made the aim bot...
http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/database/Chemistry/Original/c00027d.html


Damn, for a moment I thought BM was REALLY smart.
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:26:48 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Tarquinn:
Damn, for a moment I thought BM was REALLY smart.
Hell no. I'd never know, or want to know anything like that. I'll leave that for the lab rats, or the freaks who get a kick off this stuff.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 01-21-2003 12:27:25 PM
quote:
Black Mage was listening to Cher while typing:
[QUOTE]This insanity brought to you by Tarquinn:
[qb]Hell no. I'd never know, or want to know anything like that. I'll leave that for the lab rats, or the freaks who get a kick off this stuff.


I think science is kinda neat.

You stupid preppy losers.

[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Lenny ]

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-21-2003 12:44:18 PM
quote:
Lenny wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I think science is kinda neat.

You stupid preppy losers.


lol ur nerd~

*Shoves Lenny into a locker and walks away, laughing!*



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 01-21-2003 12:58:44 PM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about pies:
Hell no. I'd never know, or want to know anything like that. I'll leave that for the lab rats, or the freaks who get a kick off this stuff.

Bah, I was about give a less refined scientific explanation myself.

But given my bad memory and bad specialized (biology, chemistry) english vocabulary it probably would have sounded very stupid.

quote:
Tarquinn tried to explain what he learned some years ago...:
"Wood heated in a vacuum will turn into pudding, chocoloate pudding.

Pudding gooood, Napster baaaad!"


Whew, your post saved me from looking stupid.

[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Tarquinn ]

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 01-21-2003 01:09:31 PM
Chocolate pudding? Where?
Gydyon
Evercrest Lawyer

Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001

Peter
Pancake
posted 01-21-2003 01:11:02 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Depends if it's dry wood or green wood. Green wood could "melt" just like your brain cells can melt (at 108 Degrees Farenheit, btw). But you'd have to modify conditions perfectly. Dead wood is exactly what BM said.
..


No green wood would not melt. The water inside would boil off, and depending on quickly it was brought up to temp and the size of the wood, it would explode like a tater in a microwave would.

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