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Azizza thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Umm That was my whole Point. It is much more efficient for the Mac. No there is nothing wrong with the PC version. The Mac version is just better.
Sorry, soudned like you were pointing out PS7 as some disasterous failure. [ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen. ]
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We were all impressed when Naimah wrote:
SORRY THE SPOILER TAG IS TOO AGRIVATING. YOU CAN DEAL WITH THIS AS LONG AS I HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
In fact, this just makes you look more disturbed by the spoiler tag than anything and shows you can't hold your own ground in the matter other than using a childish ploy.
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Azizza had this to say about John Romero:
Umm That was my whole Point. It is much more efficient for the Mac. No there is nothing wrong with the PC version. The Mac version is just better.
How exactly is it more efficient? Without facts your just as "biased" as Maradon is.
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We were all impressed when Skaw wrote:
How exactly is it more efficient? Without facts your just as "biased" as Maradon is.
It's faster and shit.
Adobe designs it that way. It's just a widely accepted fact at this point.
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Kegwen. had this to say about Optimus Prime:
It's faster and shit.Adobe designs it that way. It's just a widely accepted fact at this point.
Optimization can be countered by other measures you know
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This one time, at Azizza camp:
Photo Editing. Still Blows the PC away. Sure a lot of the software is cross platform but the PC version is shit. See Photoshop 7
The link I posted illustrates Photoshop 7 runs better on a PC.
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Video editing and creation.
Once again The Mac takes the win here. I have nice software built into the OS (iMovie) and the best software on the market is FinalCut Pro. Which is Mac only.
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So despite the fact that pretty much everyone who does Pro level Graphics art or Video useses a MAC we all know Maradon thinks he is right because he found a 5 month old article that sounds more Bias than AMD doing a review of an Intel chip.
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Kegwen. impressed everyone with:
Sorry, soudned like you were pointing out PS7 as some disasterous failure.
LOL no not even close. Sorry if I sounded that way. I was just saying that I run them side by side on two top of the line machines. And in my experience doing that I can tell you that it runs better on the Mac even though it is a "slower" machine.
One last thing and then I am going off to bed.
The other reason that people use a Mac as opposed to a PC.
IT WORKS FOR THEM.
Lets face it. Up till windows XP every Version of Windows pretty much sucked. 2K was ok but not the best for Home use. 98 was still Buggy, and the person who thought up ME should be burned at the stake. While this was going on Mac was putting out a much more stable OS that looked better and was easier to use. Now I wasn't a huge fan of it at the time but I can look back and see why people liked it.
Today they have OS version 12.2.3 also called Jaguar.
Franky I find it much better than Windows XP and I love XP. Some people just dont' like Windows. For those people a Mac is perfect. It performs great, is stable, and allows them to do more out of the Box than Windows does. Or at the very least it allows them to do the things easier.
There is not a single external device on the market that I can thnk of that won't work with a Mac. All internal HDs, Ram, and optical drives will work.
Most Graphics cards can be made to work with almost no trouble, and a good number of PCI cards are cross compatible.
With the Major exception of Creative Labs, I can't think of a Manufactuer that I buy from that doesn't support Mac and PCs. And really Audio isn't a problem anymore since M-Audio just released a Pro level 7.1 Sound card.
So to summerise here. Why would people want a Mac over a PC.
It is easier to use than even WinXP (and that is saying a lot)
It performs better at some Tasks that are important to them
And they prefer something different. Perhaps they don't like windows or see more use in MacOS.
Frankly I find a Mac much more useful than a PC. I also find them easier to use and better performers in everything except games. And even there I dont' see much of a problem. The Games I do have run just as well on my Mac.
It's called "maintaining." A trained monkey can defrag a PC. [ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: Skaw ]
I suppose that makes sense.
HONESTLY THE ONLY REASON I WOULD WANT A MAC THOUGH IS BECAUSE OF THE WONDERFUL WIDESCREEN MONITORS THAT THEY HAVE THAT CONVIENTLY ONLY COME IN THE MAC FORMAT.
I was ogling a widescreen monitor running WinXP just today at Best Buy.
Linux is yes?
On the OTHER hand, I don't see the attraction of a Mac. I don't see the validity, for me, in changing to a Mac. Primary uses for my computer? I play MP3's, web browse, go into IRC, and game. I've just gotten into picture manipulation. When I'm in school, I do a LOT of word processing.
And I would say that I'm an example of a common college-age person. If I were into software development, I would obviously do that at home; but my father (who doesn't play video games, and has been in the computer industry as a software developer since before I was born) has always chosen PC's over Mac's, and he buys a new machine every couple of years and compares notes. Yes, Macs have gotten better in the last few years...but according to him, not enough that it's worth switching over. Hell he wouldn't even have a Windows machine were it not for the fact that everyone he works for (he's a freelancer these days) has Windows and uses Windows formatted stuff.
The Mac market lost the edge when it stopped giving schools great discounts on their computers. Almost overnight you see a shift from Apples and the early Macs in public schools to Windows-type PC's. Kids aren't familiar with Macs, Macs don't run the sort of thing kids like, so they don't gravitate to Macs unless they're in some sort of high-art-curriculum.
And don't underestimate the power of the gaming market. Do you think we would have had such a hard drive to put out these high-end graphics cards if the gaming industry wasn't as big as it is? Please don't embarrass yourself by saying "yes". The gaming industry helped in a major way to push a lot of advancement. And it uses things designed for other disciplines, puts its spin, and sends these new things into the marketplace.
Plus there's the fact that Mac's are just plain hard to upgrade, from what I understand. So your Windows PC crashes or you have driver errors or whatever with the card you just installed. At least you can do fast, easy upgrades on your machine. Remember that Mac icecube-looking machine from a year or two ago? Yeah. That was a brilliant piece of work, wasn't it?
Laptops, granted, aren't the big hardware-upgradeable master machines desktops can be. On the other hand, if you want a detachable hard drive? that makes it thicker. Multiple card slots? thicker, especially if you don't want to scorch your legs.
Macs are getting better. But they have a long way to go before they're a viable alternative to Windows PC's.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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Maradon XP stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Are you sure Naimah?I was ogling a widescreen monitor running WinXP just today at Best Buy.
THE MAC ONES JUST SEEM REALLY SLICK THOUGH. I SUPPOSE I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE AT FRY'S. THOUGH I SUPPOSE I NEED TO KEEP SOME IMAGE IN MY MIND THAT MACS HAVE SOME KIND OF ALLURE. [ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: Naimah ]
And even given all those differences the Mac one out in the 6 Photoshop tests.
Now compare a Dual 1.25GH G4 running OS 10.2 to a P4 2.0 or 2.4 running 2K or XP and that would be more of a fair comparison.
Now in your other test it is on the same web site you linked us to before and I get this feeling it is run by people with a slight bias. Those numbers they got ont eh G4 were worse than I got on my old 733 Quicksilver machine. They are seriously skewing the results. Sorry to burst your bubble there.
And I'm sorry. But Windows Movie maker is one of the biggest pieces of trash I have ever seen. It isn't worth the name.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael was listening to Cher while typing:
Plus there's the fact that Mac's are just plain hard to upgrade, from what I understand. So your Windows PC crashes or you have driver errors or whatever with the card you just installed. At least you can do fast, easy upgrades on your machine. Remember that Mac icecube-looking machine from a year or two ago? Yeah. That was a brilliant piece of work, wasn't it?PC's.
Umm Upgrading a mac is no different that upgrading a PC.
Pull a little lever on the side of the tower and the case swings open. Laying on the ground is the portion with the mother board etc, remaining upright and out of the way is Optical drives, Power supply, etc. It is about as easy as you can get. Most parts are interchangable and drivers are not needed on 95% of the hardware you will get. [ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: Azizza ]
Ferrel!
All you windows abusing power-users, ever heard of UNIX? how about LINUX? Care to try to bash either, because that's what the new mac OSX is. It's a damn pretty version of the UNIX kernel. The mac OS team took one of the most stable operating systems in the world, and added one of the most highly praised user interfaces ever concieved by man. Misrosoft is trying to emulate the mac OSX UI in the winXP interface, and they get parts right, but OSX is stil more intuitive and ergonomic. Since you've had years of using windows, you might not be familiar with any of it, but if you use a mac for any kind of decent period of time, you'll find that he interface is MUCH better than windows.
Next, IBM is releasing a new chip called the PowerPC 970, a 64 bit 1.8 ghz SMP processor. It has 42 bit memory addressing, which means it can address terabytes of RAM, it processes 8 instructions per clock cycle, as compared to the 3 processed in current G4 chips.
Now imagine a quad processor MAC running a UNIX kernel, and each processor, even though clocked at a mere 1.8 GHZ, has more brute force per clock than the P3 or the Athlon XP, and compares to the new Hammer series.
You know why people like macs? Because they work. You plug it in, and they work. no worrying about all the stuff that seems so daunting to novice pc users, they're much more user-friendly than PC's, and that's a big selling point.
Naimah was probably referring to the apple cinema display which is quite possibly the sexiest monitor i've ever had the pleasure of using. It's not the greatest for non-native resolutions, because it's an LCD, but at native resolution... DROOLS. However, i'd rather have a high end sony Aperture Grille CRT...
No, Really. Bite me.
I wanna play the games when they're released, not 6-18 months later!
Gamer Gnolls use windows!
Ferrel!
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So quoth Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
And don't underestimate the power of the gaming market. Do you think we would have had such a hard drive to put out these high-end graphics cards if the gaming industry wasn't as big as it is? Please don't embarrass yourself by saying "yes". The gaming industry helped in a major way to push a lot of advancement. And it uses things designed for other disciplines, puts its spin, and sends these new things into the marketplace.
Lesse now... who was it... ah yes, Pesco was the one recounting about his teacher. The teacher said to him he has a 'gamers eye'. The teacher then said to the entire class how it is computer games that drive the PC industry advances forwards more than anything else. How the games are what spur on the faster processors, the better video cards, the more RAM (Servers do this as well, but to a FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR lesser extent. Maybe 1/10000th of all people who are gamers run a server; maybe. Even then, I wouldn't be shocked at all to learn that number is much higher...).
I was reading an article a couple weeks back, though I apologise for not being able to recall the URL, about how PC Gaming is what has pushed the processor wars harder, made the video card competition so difficult it all but eliminated any thought of competition from smaller companies (As it stands, there's pretty much nVidia, and ATI. Not much else really exists out there when it comes to performance video), and how it's the gamers wishing for better performance on their games, and the game developers taking advantage of the increased performance to be able to render faster, better, and more polys that has pushed the PC market to the speeds we're at now.
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Khyron enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Lesse now... who was it... ah yes, Pesco was the one recounting about his teacher. The teacher said to him he has a 'gamers eye'. The teacher then said to the entire class how it is computer games that drive the PC industry advances forwards more than anything else. How the games are what spur on the faster processors, the better video cards, the more RAM (Servers do this as well, but to a FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR lesser extent. Maybe 1/10000th of all people who are gamers run a server; maybe. Even then, I wouldn't be shocked at all to learn that number is much higher...).I was reading an article a couple weeks back, though I apologise for not being able to recall the URL, about how PC Gaming is what has pushed the processor wars harder, made the video card competition so difficult it all but eliminated any thought of competition from smaller companies (As it stands, there's pretty much nVidia, and ATI. Not much else really exists out there when it comes to performance video), and how it's the gamers wishing for better performance on their games, and the game developers taking advantage of the increased performance to be able to render faster, better, and more polys that has pushed the PC market to the speeds we're at now.
Yup.
I agree fully.
I just felt a need to defend macs for some strange reason.
But i agree, Gaming pushes the competition for the "best" and then that new technology filters down to the lower price points.
No, Really. Bite me.
