Make with the pizza, plz.

I already explained why I didn't want it discussed. I knew if I insulted some of the people involved, then a great big noisy messy fight would happen in there that night. I didn't want that. I don't like fighting with the people I hang out with.

But I also didn't receive anything even remotely like a message on it, asking why, questioning it, complaining about it. Yet this crap starts up behind the scenes.

So it all comes down to the same thing. If you disagree, bring it up. I'm an open person when someone actually tries to come talk to me about something. Of if you can't talk to me, then don't come into my room to harrass me. It's not about taking a joke. It's rude, immature and petty. Just don't do it.

Which stinks.

Dark elves just smell musky.

Then when I said maybe they shouldn't use Kanid's name, somewhat out of respect that it was possessed by him and he was prominent on the boards, and the rest because I figured someone would get confused like I did, and I didn't want *them* to get their head bitten off when it happened, I'm suddenly being called a bitch, a whore, a cum guzzling slut.

So no, I probably shouldn't have retaliated as I did. I will admit that. But it wasn't like I just came in there and started in, as it seems so many people have been led to believe. (When Doomie came into my room calling me a Nazi, for instance, I got the impression he was never told what was said toward me first) It was provoked, and I was lashing back.

The point I'm trying to make is that I'm not a bastard as most people think. True, I have done some bad things in my past, like break a certain CD, lied about who I was, etc. However, there are things that I do NOT do. I dont distribute objectional subject to minors, I dont intentionally break up people's friendships, I dont email harassing letters.
Like Khyron said, opinions and judgements are so tightly sealed in one's mind that they cannot be reversed.

I have said my peace. If anyone wants to speak with me, they can PM me as long as it's not hateful crap or such

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THEN THE WHOLE FUCKING THING GOT BLOWN WAAAAY OUT OF PROPORTION.

I guess i don't have much of a point. But try to be impartial when you judge the actions of another. Don't take offence, more often then not it seems this is what they want, and it always taints your perspective. And if you feel the need to confront someone, do it privatly. If it needs to be done in the open, be civil ( this means more than using nice words and making valid points). These ARE other people, with thier own problems, on the other side of the screen. They deserve your respect, if as nothing other than a fellow member of the human race. In these types of arguments there can be no winner, only hard feelings. This is my take. This was in no way targeted at anyone, or any group of people in particular. This was not intended as a flame. I do not like everyone, but i can at least deal with it.

And you said that if you talked about it, you might insult someone, and it would start a big messy fight...
Maybe not insulting someone in the first place? Is it really a problem if someone in your room discusses something that *gasp* doesn't involve or apply to YOU?

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
It's not even that incident that spawned it, Za. And I'm not the only guilty party there. Nae got bitchy with me, telling me if I wanted to see Kanid so bad I should go to Woody's boards, asking if I wanted his home phone number, when all I had done was think it was Kanid and say "Hey! Good to see you!".

Then when I said maybe they shouldn't use Kanid's name, somewhat out of respect that it was possessed by him and he was prominent on the boards, and the rest because I figured someone would get confused like I did, and I didn't want *them* to get their head bitten off when it happened, I'm suddenly being called a bitch, a whore, a cum guzzling slut.

So no, I probably shouldn't have retaliated as I did. I will admit that. But it wasn't like I just came in there and started in, as it seems so many people have been led to believe. (When Doomie came into my room calling me a Nazi, for instance, I got the impression he was never told what was said toward me first) It was provoked, and I was lashing back.

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Lyinar.. it wasnt as nice as that nor as clean cut as that. If possible I suggest sending Drysart your logs of this incident as he already has logs from one side. But as I have read and heard, you instigated it by bringing her kids and questioning her motherhood into the equation and then continuing by putting forth hers and UBT's personal lives into it. It could have just stayed at the level of a question of who's account it was.. You brought it to the next level..

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Humble Parcelan stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
This thread has no point.

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You noticed that too? Anyway, i hope my post made sense. Sorry i felt i had to get involved at all.

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Humble Parcelan stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Let's go make a pizza run.

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Sounds like a plan.

AND NO PARCELAN, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED. YOU ARE STILL A HELLA COOL GUY !!! GET YER ARSE UP HERE AND PARTY VEGAS STYLE !!!

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But it's a constant thing. I say something people don't agree with here. Then people that don't usually come to the SorcNet EC channel come in and start being idiots. Or they come into my personal #talera and start being idiots. But the kicker is that any other time other than when I do something they don't agree with, they're nowhere to be seen in either of those channels.

I've tried to explain why I forbade talk of the wedding. I don't forbid talk of a lot of things in there. But I knew it would start an argument, and I didn't want to argue that night with Azy and Ditty, or anyone else. Usually if I do say "Don't discuss this" in there, it's because I have a very strong opinion and I'm not looking to see my room explode when I gave it.

I want this to end. I never wanted a war. I never wanted sides. I never wanted to not be able to trust my friends because they would go telling things back to people who hate and harrass me, and more harrassment would come from it.

I don't like bringing personal things to the board. I don't like bringing things that happened outside the board here. It doesn't belong here. I didn't respond to the last "Flame Lyinar" thread because it just wasn't something that should have been here.

But it isn't going to stop. And this isn't a pity party. It's more like saying "Stop the shit, because I'm not going to take it anymore". I put that line in my sig because that's how they're acting. I've asked Drysart to let me keep it for a while, to see if anything changes, or if they just go back to how they've always acted.

The ball's in their court now.

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Humble Parcelan had this to say about the Spice Girls:
What do you want on yours?

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Hmmm. It's all the same to me. Just no, NO pineapple.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael obviously shouldn't have said:

The ball's in their court now.

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And in yours.

While I don't agree with trolling and provoking, you're not an innocent victim here, Lyinar.

You DO stir a lot of crap, you DO start a lot of pointless fights and flamewars.

If you truly want this shit to end, you'll need to pull your weight. Throwing responsibility on everyone else isn't going to work.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
"Stop the shit, because I'm not going to take it anymore". I put that line in my sig because that's how they're acting. I've asked Drysart to let me keep it for a while, to see if anything changes, or if they just go back to how they've always acted.

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I see your point, and i concede that is has been going on for a while. I think that being a little more direct might have netted a slightly more positive result though.

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Synjari had this to say about (_|_):
Lyinar.. it wasnt as nice as that nor as clean cut as that. If possible I suggest sending Drysart your logs of this incident as he already has logs from one side. But as I have read and heard, you instigated it by bringing her kids and questioning her motherhood into the equation and then continuing by putting forth hers and UBT's personal lives into it. It could have just stayed at the level of a question of who's account it was.. You brought it to the next level..

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Which never came into the equation until they snapped at me for daring to say something on their account.

They could have been mature about it. They could have said "This is our account Lyinar, we'll do it with as we please." Which they did. Once they were done insulting me for my "gall", if you will.

Or, they could have prevented the whole thing and fixed my confusion in the first place. I went in, saw Kanid's name, said "Kanid??" and then I recall confusion, someone telling me it wasn't him, someone saying it was, and I said it was good to see him.

Do you know who clarified that it wasn't Kanid? Not UBT, not Nae. One of the other people in chat. Why would you pretend to be someone you're not, and then when someone greets that person because they considered them a friend, snap at them for it?

I didn't greet what I thought was Kanid because Nae was there. I had no idea she was. I didn't recognize the nick, but then again, I don't recognize half the nicks in there. I greeted what I thought was Kanid because I was happy to see him. And I got attacked for it.

If you have logs of my doing the snapping first, then you'd do well to get the whole story, starting from the time I came in.

I honestly think that banning talk about the wedding is petty, but it's your chat server not mine. I don't think any of this needs to be taken any further than it already has. If you have a problem with people I think you can take your own advice and PM them just as easily as they can PM you.

The shit stops here and I refuse to take anymore. Any further personal attacks on me or my wife and our personal lives will be deemed an act of war, and I seriously doubt it's something you want.

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A sleep deprived Humble Parcelan stammered:
We're getting pepperoni and Italian sausage then, and I'll murder the bum who don't like it.

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Go start collecting cash from people.

As much as I can't sstand you, and as much as you can't stand me, I will offer you some explanation for the other night.

I also offer you an apology for my language.

You have been sniping at me for a year for something that you don't really understand, because I didn't want to tell my side of it.

I have left you alone, I have tried to be nice to you.

I own the Kanid account, I have owned it for a year. I can't afford to change the name, and the GM's wouldn't do it for free. As far as I am concerned, what I do with it is not your concern. I did tell you where you could talk to him.

You did attack me on a level that is hurtful, and you say things about my personal life that you honestly don't know the truth about.

I told you the truth, and you called me a liar. I don't want this discussed here. It is not a public thing, it is private. You have been obsessed with it for a year now, and I would wish you would let it go.

Things aren't always what they seem. I have told my best of friends the story, but I am not sharing with the world. I am not sharing with a woman that hates me. You have no compassion, you have no understanding for what has happened, if I told you, you would once again call me a liar, even though I live it.

I have enough people that were here that witnessed what happened to me. I know.. and that is enough.

I just ask that you leave me alone.

And you and I both know there are a lot more flamewars that start because people attack me when I say something they don't like, rather than debating it, or discussing it, than there are where I'm going in with all guns blazing.

I do have a temper, though. I will attack when provoked. But I try to respect those who respect others.

TO JOSH!!!

But, I have leftover garlic bread from last night's pasta party... and I have some pizza shells downstairs.

Homemade pizza night!

TO SYNJARI !!!!!

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Nobody really understood why Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote:
Never said I was, Za, but how many times am I flamed just for disagreeing? We've had this debate before. I'm not always innocent, but I'm not always guilty. I don't go looking for fights. I'm open, and honest and don't sugarcoat things, and a lot of people don't like that. But I do try to keep insult out of it if there's been no insult to me.

And you and I both know there are a lot more flamewars that start because people attack me when I say something they don't like, rather than debating it, or discussing it, than there are where I'm going in with all guns blazing.

I do have a temper, though. I will attack when provoked. But I try to respect those who respect others.

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You haven't always been open and honest in attacks on others, Lyinar, you seriously can't claim that. But I'm not gonna bring up old things.

The deal is though, I'm not interested in flames, and I'm sick of having #RPcrest being accused as soon as you get in a fight with people. There is no standing RPcrest order to provoke fights with you. If one of us gets into a fight, usually the others will jump in to defend this person. That's friendship, or group mentality if you will. But this "trolling" is done majorly by people who aren't RPcrest regulars. Or would you like to disprove me? The only RPcrest name you've brought up so far as Tier, and he's not even an op.

I respect your wish to be left alone in #talera, and not the recipent of ad hominem, but unfortunately with your reputation and past actions, it's not an easy road. And it might require you to stay out of arguments completely for a while, back out even if someone attacks. This is all up to you, I'm just saying that you *do* have a pretty fucked up faction with a lot of people on these boards, and that takes effort to repair - if you do wait to repair it.

I don't particularily like you, as you don't particularily like me - we're on the clear with that. But I very rarely attack unless attacked, so whatever grudge you have with people, leave "RPcrest" out of it.

You did say where I could find him. I believe exactly it was something along the line of "If you want to see him so bad, go to Woody's boards". Now that, in itself, can be taken in a very nasty manner. Being attacked for greeting someone you don't like put my hackles up.

It's clear now that you own the Kanid account and have the Kanid name. You can do with it what you like, but please *please* don't snap at people just because they're happy to see him. He does still have friends, and there might be someone else that makes that mistake.

And I'm sorry I can't believe you, but I've always been someone that goes on actions. And your actions don't match your words. I don't want to mean any offense by that, it's just my honest feelings on it all. But I don't want to get into a pissing contest over it. I apologized for snapping, you apologized for snapping, and it stays there.

It should never have left that chat, in my opinion. And I'm glad Gee didn't post the log like he said he was going to. It doesn't belong here.

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And, I have a honkin' case of Canada Dry Ginger Ale from last night's pasta party. (Because everyone reached for the coke instead. )

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Ginger ale r0x.

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Humble Parcelan had this to say about Pirotess:
Once again, Kagrama has the answers!

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Kagrama r0x.

But I will look through my logs. I have a habit of logging everything. I don't know who's an op, and who's not. I think I've been to that room exactly once in my life. I just know who has that line in their sigs and who doesn't. And I get it a lot more from people who have that line than anyone else.

But I will look, and I will clarify and send logs your way on it. I don't expect you to take action against them at all, but at least you might tell me who's heavily involved and who isn't, so I don't make the same mistake again.