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Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 08-18-2002 03:04:49 AM
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Vorbis of Pie stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Think you can fit in a suitcase? Smuggling people sounds fun, and I plan on moving to Britain anyway.



No.. more like a freakin crate! That and it gets to damned cold in the cargo hold of a plane =(

Peter
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 03:22:57 AM
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Azakias stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
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How is it that private banks are responsible for issuing your currency?
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Uhhh... they are privately owned, but our banks are federally regulated.
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I don't belive our banks issue money at all, only the Mints issue money, the money happens to get sent to Huge federally ran banks that act as distrabution centers for it.

Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 08-18-2002 03:30:53 AM
Government mints issue monies.

Banks are private business. They are basicaly set up like every other business, to make monies.

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 08-18-2002 03:47:35 AM
And like any other business, regulated by federal laws.

And the government couldnt shut all the banks down on a whim, like it says... not only would the economy go down the tubes, but we as a people wouldnt stand for it.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Suddar
posted 08-18-2002 08:40:10 AM
for those who are too lazy to read the entire article, i will do my best to paraphrase, while including all valid points he makes against america and its peoples:
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hi, i'm a dumbass.
leckzilla!
Squeak!
posted 08-18-2002 10:05:35 AM
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Tegadil impressed everyone with:
You being the obvious exception. Altough I would like to see that letter kagrama-ized.

I support this.

Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 08-18-2002 11:56:45 AM
america sucks less than living ina hut made of dirt or in a cave though like SOME COUNTRIES THAT THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN US!

id rather be american than anything else... especially french or canadian. or FRENCH-CANADIAN thats an awful thing to think of

Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
UBT
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 12:55:10 PM
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MadCat the 2nd wrote, obviously thinking too hard:

Fact is, I lived in the US for about 3 years, so whatever I do end up saying is based on what I've seen during my stay.


/temper on

So what you're trying to say is that because you lived in the U.S. for 3 yrs that you know all about our country and how it works ? I lived in this country for 24 yrs, and one yr in Korea, but that doesn't give me the right to go and bad mouth their country does it ?

Since you're up on a high horse then you can answer me this. Why is it when anything bad happens overseas they always run to the U.S. for help ? Why is it when a natural disaster happens in another country the U.S. is there to help ? If we are so damn evil then why do we defend smaller countries ? Why do we help out those in need ? I sure as hell didn't see Canada jumping to help Europe during the World Wars. I don't see other countries rush to someone's aid unless the U.S. leads them. Why, if the world hates us and thinks us evil, do they always use the U.S. as their police force ? If we are so bad then stop asking us for help. Try doing something on your own, and then come to us when you fall on your face.

/temper off

Defending my country, and helping other coutnries in need is my job. I don't like it when people bad mouth my country, especially after they ask us for help. I'm going to look for an email that I received a while back, written by a Canadian and maybe then you'll open your eyes.

Caanis Lupus
Rub me?
posted 08-18-2002 12:59:10 PM
heh heh he said druthers...

Funny that in a good number of countries if this was put to pen and paper the person would be killed and most likely their family. Gotta love us stupid Americans for giving everyone the right ot say anything they want...even burn our flag and we will provide you with police protection to do it. Your welcome.

Like to see this guy live in China and send this to a paper or better yet Russia.

UBT
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 01:05:18 PM
Well, looks like I don't have the copy of the email....I think I'll ask my dad if he still has it, it's a good one. Might make all you haters out there think otherwise...if only for a few minutes.
Moffles
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 01:32:00 PM
I thought it was pretty funny because it reminded me of George Carlin.
"Got some dark desire? Love to play with fire? Why not let it rip? Live a little bit!"
Ruvie's Alt
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
posted 08-18-2002 03:23:14 PM
I may as well comment on this, too... Just 'cause I have time to waste on this dickhead.

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READ AT YOUR OWN RISK:
Open Letter to America from a Canadian
Never mind that earth-friendly technology already exists to once and for all end dependence on oil, coal and nuclear energy from huge, out-of-control utilities and corporations. You would rather pay through the nose for your insecure comforts, wouldn't you America, and make others pay with their blood.

How is this different from what Canada does, again? I'm beginning to wonder why I'm wasting my time with commenting on this piece of crap you have called a letter.

In short, F you.

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Go get your ten-billionth burger, America. Fatten your already fat asses with bacteria-and-hormone-ridden meat and do nothing as you sit stupefied before your mind-numbing television sets awaiting the next episode of sad families being humiliated on "Cops."

10 billionth burger? Bacteria-and-hormone-ridden meat? Do nothing? TV? COPS? Explain to me how this is different from what Canadians do. You hypocritical ass.

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Dear America:

And so it has come to this. Your once-great nation has fallen into madness, an affliction of mass denial that brings shivers up the spines of millions outside your borders. Yours is a sick nation. But most of you carry on as though nothing at all is the matter.


Every country on the globe has its share of problems, moron. Like Canada and its dollar, for instance. We still carry on as though nothing's the matter.

A tip: Before you go bashing someone else's country, look at your own, and then think about it. That is, if you're even capable of semi-intelligent thought.

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Dark, evil operations run rampant in the secret corners of your government institutions.

Conspiracy theorist, huh? I bet you thought X-Files was all live, and those aliens were actually REAL.

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A dubiously constituted government pursues war at will anywhere on earth, discussing nuclear options that become points for cheerful chatter over lunch.

I'm not even going to comment on this.

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Your military and intelligence agencies employ terrorist tactics around the globe even as they insist that such tactics are necessary in the fight against terrorism.

Proof? Thus far, I've heard nothing of the sort.

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You have become a nation of monsters, America. Hypocrites. Murderers. Fools.

And meanwhile, this letter is chock-full of hypocrisy. Next time you decide to write a letter to America, try sparking two brain cells together, if you even HAVE that many. Murderers? EVERY country has those. Once you think about it, lots of countries were built on war, basically making us all murderers in some way. Canada was fought over by the British and the French. Didn't you take that in school? Or, did you even GO TO school? Fools? Every country has 'em. In fact, I'm commenting on a letter written by one.

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Your constitution is a shambles thanks to "national security" measures resulting from what might well be U.S.-government-sanctioned terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington D.C., covert provocations designed to justify a malevolent, poisonous, oil-based military economy.

Yes, the American government would kill about 5000 of its people, and completely RUIN the world's economy, just to make a few extra bucks. I'm too busy laughing to comment further on this.

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Never mind that earth-friendly technology already exists to once and for all end dependence on oil, coal and nuclear energy from huge, out-of-control utilities and corporations. You would rather pay through the nose for your insecure comforts, wouldn't you America, and make others pay with their blood.

It isn't that America as a whole is keeping its people from ending dependence on oil. It's oil companies trying to make money. A solar-powered car is being invented, the oil companies buy the blueprints and burn them so they can keep selling oil. Duh. Plus, there's FAR less oil in gas than there is in petroleum products, like the plastic keys on a keyboard.

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At the same time, you stand by as the Israelis' secular Zionists--whom you support through the supply of arms and money--slaughter untold numbers of innocents in the West Bank, then blame the Palestinians for bringing the terror upon themselves.

You obviously don't understand what you're talking about, AT ALL. There's this thing, a little peice of paper, called a "treaty", that America signed a while ago. Now, they're stuck supporting Israel, if I'm not mistaken, because of this "treaty".

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(True, there are abominable Arab suicide bombers in Israel's midst. But are they not driven to madness and desperation by your infernal support of international terrorist politics?)

Yes. Because America exists, the world is going insane. Of course, they're responsible for ALL of the world's problems, right? Right?

/sarcasm off.

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As I write these words, you support a nation run by a convicted murderer by the name of Ariel Sharon who with impunity is carrying out war crimes as cruel and horrendous as those of other sadistic tyrants in history.

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Proof?

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And you say, in your utter cynicism, 'When will these Palestinians bring this war to an end?'

Thanks a lot. I haven't laughed this hard in YEARS, man.

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You recklessly wage combat on other fronts, too. At home, your War on Drugs is a disastrous 30-year folly--a gigantic con game designed to benefit lethal cartels, corrupt politicians and menacing intelligence agencies across the planet.....

America is fighting drugs because drugs are illegal, y'dig? If I'm not mistaken, Canada is fighting drugs, too.

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With your government's support, crooked multinationals like Monsanto buy up the world's water supplies, and take possession of the world's vegetation through Frankenstein technology already known to cause illness.

Frankenstein technology? Buy a clue. Or has Mosanto bought up the world's supply of THOSE, too?

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Does the FDA care about any of this? It does not. It has long been on the bandwagon to foist genetically altered food on the Guinea Pigs of the country--including every man, woman and child on America's increasingly toxic soil.

Genetically altered food is a GOOD thing. Think about it, we can make food more nutritious, and therefore better for us, just by altering a few genes. We can also take some DNA and end up with potatoes, essentially creating food from nothing. This is a GOOD thing. With enough knowledge of genetic alterations and cloning, we can clone food to help stop world hunger.

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You are a nation of suckers, America, to be bled dry of your hard-earned pay through outrageous bank schemes, Wall Street rip-offs and fake government budget grabs. Your Pentagon cannot account for trillions in lost dollars.

Banks are a business, they're supposed to make money. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to pay their expenses, and there wouldn't be any banks. Then, how would we save money, huh?

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Does this bother you? Not in the least.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but businesses are SUPPOSED to make money, right?

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Your whole economy is controlled by what is for the most part ravenous, international private banking interests in the form of The Federal Reserve, which with your government's consent leads you down the garden path to certain financial ruin thanks to a national debt you will never be able to repay.

Bringing up the national debt card. Explain how it's different from Canada, again? Quit being a friggin' hypocritical bastard, and either take a look at your own country, or shut the F up. Thanks.

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How is it that private banks are responsible for issuing your currency? How is it that they are allowed to charge ridiculous interest rates on what they issue? By decree, this was supposed to be the responsibility of your government, which could create its own currency without charging interest.

Again, banks are a business. 'Sides, Canadian banks charge interest, too.

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Do you realize your congress could dismiss these banks in an instant if it so wished? But don't ever count on it. More important matters are pressing. The upcoming election needs investment.

Banks are here to help the people, for a fee (interest). If there were no banks, how would people store their money safely? Matresses can easily be cut open, and if you managed to buy enough for a safe, you wouldn't have any money left to store. Dumbass.

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These very same money men are the ones who, through unmonitored and unrepresentative world committees, are driving countries like Argentina into hopeless debt and social upheaval. These greedy overlords are creating strife and suffering on a scale too tragic for words in nation after nation. Just look at Africa.

Yes, put the blame on America all the time. This card's been played before in other situations; people just blame America because they're a convenient scapegoat. I bet you blame video games for school shootings, instead of the obvious terrible parenting, too. After all, it's better to not look at things for yourself, and just blame some random thing, right?

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They've got their sights on America, now, too; disrupting economic stability through so-called free trade initiatives and provisions for special favors and the endless flow of cash to corporate monstrosities like Enron.

Explain who you're talking about, here. If you're still talking about the banks thing, I don't think any bank owner would be stupid enough to screw over his entire country just to line his pocket with a little more gold. Then again, I could be wrong.

The problem with making the world more idiot-proof, is the world will always make a dumber idiot.

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Amid all this, where are those who are supposed to represent your interests, America? For the most part, your congressional representatives are nothing but swine gathering at the corporate troughs. Your president is a white-collar thug, a hypocrite who through his actions celebrates war, repression and greed even as he gives lip service to peace, freedom and justice.

Yes, the American president would put all of his people at risk constantly for no reason other than he thinks war is cool.

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George W. Bush deceives you daily, the war monger hiding behind a phony patriotism. He is an Enron buddy boy, a spoiled child lying in his teeth about his past and current dirty deeds.

Proof?

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Does he care about you America? Hardly. This is altogether obvious to those outside your borders who are politically aware and awake to the world around them.

Politically aware and awake to the world around them. And that would include you, huh? So, not only are you fabricating and dramatizing things, but you're making yourself look big (and failing).

Go back to grade 1, son.

Also, if President Bush didn't care about America, why would he bother running for President in the first place? He obviously cares enough about his country to try and fix some of the problems it has.

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You were never concerned about the disgraceful practices of George's ruthless father, either, a Bin-Laden cohort and friend to criminals and killers in global drug, oil and terrorist enterprises. Iran. Vietnam. El Salvador. Chile. Guatemala. Iraq. And on and on. The never-ending bully-boy story of blood, guns, drugs and money.

Yes, it's all one big conspiracy. As we all know, you're always right, and you don't need to provide proof of anything you say, just because you said so.

YOU. MY COUNTRY. OUT OF. NOW.

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Does any of this matter? No, it's simply time to eat.

Yes, and what about Canada, hmm? Tell me, before something in your braincell sparked, and you started thinking "OMG AMERIAC SI ELVI!?!>?", did you even CARE about the world as a whole? The way I see it, you're committing the same crimes you're accusing America of.

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Go get your ten-billionth burger, America. Fatten your already fat asses with bacteria-and-hormone-ridden meat and do nothing as you sit stupefied before your mind-numbing television sets awaiting the next episode of sad families being humiliated on "Cops."

Few among you are the least bit concerned that no real investigation of 911 has taken place, that no serious investigation of the anthrax attacks is moving forward, that no authentic investigation of Enron, or the murder of one of its top executives, is underway.


What the F are you talking about? Have you been living under a rock all your life? Before you start complaining about something, learn what you're complaining about. All of those things HAVE been loked at, and if they haven't, ARE being looked at.

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How many of you give the slightest damn about the totalitarian measures your government is taking to keep its secret meetings, grubby files and treasonous activities from your eyes?....

Yes, the Canadian government always announces every little thing it's going to do, and nothing is ever, EVER secret.

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When did you stop caring, America? Was it after your own FBI and intelligence agencies plotted the murder of President John F. Kennedy? Or is this just the raving lunacy of the conspiracy nut? What does your gut tell you, America? Is something a little amiss here?

JFK WAS assasinated, but it wasn't the FBI. Nothing's amiss, he was a HUGE figure, being President and all, and thus a huge target.

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Forget about it. Have some Pepto-Bismol.

I think after reading what I have of this "letter", I'm going to NEED some Pepto-Bismol. It's making me SICK. And forgetting about it is something I'd really LOVE to do.

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Today, in futility, your own government goes to court against itself for information you are entitled to by law. But this is hardly deemed vital news in the community. It is a fleeting reference in an electronic sea of meaningless banter. For proof, just look to all the spineless wimps who constitute your mainstream news media.

I hate to say it, but people aren't really entitled to ANY secret government information by law.

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Today, you excoriate, ridicule and ostracize the brave and true among you. Your best investigative journalists are fired from their jobs and ignored. Congress's few courageous souls are laughed at and dismissed out of hand as crackpots. The most honest and conscientious political leader in the country, Ralph Nader, is a powerless, near-invisible curiosity easily side-lined by hired goons.

Lies and opinions. In America, those with spines are SALUTED by most. They have an entire holiday devoted to World War 1 and 2 veterans. That's hardly laughing at them.

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America, you are a goddamn shame.

As are you. Shame, you could've actually turned out to be someone SMART.

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What law matters now in your despicable state? What justice? What truth?

When will you wake up?


And again, I laugh.

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If you had your druthers, you would right now gather your courage, take to the streets and march on Washington D.C in the millions. But I know you will do no such thing. The vast majority of you are spiritually, emotionally and intellectually dead.

Heh, yeah, you're one to talk about people being intellectually dead. Canada doesn't exactly have a halo over its head, either. Are you going to start an open rebellion against Canada now?

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As I write these words, I can only imagine what additional horrors your shadow government might be planning in what will surely be an attempt to justify militarism and totalitarianism on a universal scale. A nuclear explosion in one of your cities, perhaps? A massive bio-chemical attack?

Yes, the American government is fighting its own people and putting the blame on someone else, just to make things interesting.

BZZT, SORRY. YOU LOSE.

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Or perhaps it will be some Arab terrorist who finally commits the terrible deed, his last thought before death being the promises you made to him before you killed his family.

Yes, America is forcing terrorists to attack it. God, it's amazing your sheer STUPIDITY hasn't killed you yet.

...You're done? Oh, THANK GOD. My brainw as beginning to melt.

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 08-18-2002 06:45:12 PM
Proving that not all Canadians were raised in a cave:

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"The Americans"

This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people in all the earth.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Ganges and the Niger. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the ineterest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help. In the spring of 1973, fifty-nine American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan... the Truman Policy... all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Soon thereafter, newspapers in those countries wrote about decadent war-mongering American.

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American techonocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times... and safely home again.

When Americans get out of this bind... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'to hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy Israeli bonds. Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that wont shake apart in earthquakes.

I can name you 5,000 times when Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I dont think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.


I like that letter..

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
UBT
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 07:04:34 PM
That's the letter I was talking about, thank you Azakias. That brings my point across, hopefully, and should make all you American haters think twice about trying to bust our countries balls.
MorbId
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 07:42:03 PM
My problem with this article is that it takes a country of millions of people, ignores the fact that they are separate entities, and assumes that each American supports everything that happens in the country.

There's also a flawed understanding of how politics work. Large corporations aren't going to be attacked before they become a problem because they provide employment and funding for political candidates. Politicians do need money to run for office; it may not be entirely attractive, but it also allows those besides the richest a chance at office.

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