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Topic: THe goverments responce to todays ruling.
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 06-27-2002 12:56:03 AM
I pulled these off off the AP website. It makes me feel a little better.

AP
The U. S. Senate has condemned the Ninth Circuit Court's ruling on the Pledge of Allegience by a 99-0 margin.

President Bush calls the decision idiotic.

Tom Dasshole says it's nuts. (Yes he really said nuts)

Immediately after the ruling over 50 congressman and Senate leaders went to the steps of the capitol and recited the Pledge of Allegiance..YELLING the phrase "One Nation under GOD!"

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Skaw
posted 06-27-2002 12:57:08 AM
quote:
Azizza had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Immediately after the ruling over 50 congressman and Senate leaders went to the steps of the capitol and recited the Pledge of Allegiance..YELLING the phrase "One Nation under GOD!"

And then their mommies picked them up. Talk about childish. And these are our political leaders?

Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-27-2002 12:57:08 AM
I can honestly say that I dont give a flying fuck.
Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 06-27-2002 12:58:37 AM
Something else worth noting:

The 9th Circuit is the nation's most overturned appellate court — partly because it is the largest, but also because it tends to make liberal, activist opinions, and because the cases it hears — on a range of issues from environmental laws to property rights to civil rights — tend to challenge the status quo.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 06-27-2002 12:59:25 AM
Why didnt you just put this under the origanal post?

<--- Doesnt Really Care

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 06-27-2002 01:00:53 AM
quote:
From the book of Delphi Aegis, chapter 3, verse 16:
I can honestly say that I dont give a flying fuck.

Then why did you post?

I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you have nothing to contribute to a conversation but statements of indifference that nobody cares about, just don't contribute at all.

I'm sure people don't like having random folk come into their threads and say, "I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS!"

Consider it in the future

Naota Nandaba
Don't ask me about any goddamned bannings!
posted 06-27-2002 01:02:16 AM
This was expected. Yet quite funny.
Nothing amazing happens here.
Only the ordinary.
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:08:24 AM
From a non-denominational standpoint, "god" (small g) only really entails good, creation, defense, and advancement, as opposed to evil, destruction, belligerence, and retrogression.

Isn't that a bit more healthy a way to think about it?

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:09:06 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Azizza:
I pulled these off off the AP website. It makes me feel a little better.

AP
The U. S. Senate has condemned the Ninth Circuit Court's ruling on the Pledge of Allegience by a 99-0 margin.

President Bush calls the decision idiotic.

Tom Dasshole says it's nuts. (Yes he really said nuts)

Immediately after the ruling over 50 congressman and Senate leaders went to the steps of the capitol and recited the Pledge of Allegiance..YELLING the phrase "One Nation under GOD!"


Imagine that we have a majority of chirstian politicians. Then the minority don't want to comit political suicide by voting against an overwhelming majority. I'm going to go against the majority and say the supreme court will uphold this political ruling due to the way that they have rulled in the past, and because there isn't anything anyone in Washington can do to affect them. However I fear that I am wrong.

Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:11:15 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Naimah wrote:
Imagine that we have a majority of chirstian politicians.

More than just christians believe in a god.

In fact, if I recall correctly, the tally is somewhere around 98% of all humanity believing in one supreme entity or another.

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 06-27-2002 01:13:46 AM
In other news, Bush's reply to critism has been met with a stern, 'Nanny Nanny Boo Boo, Stick your head in doo doo!'

They could have at least had more tact in doing so.

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 06-27-2002 01:14:24 AM
quote:
Maradön² attempted to be funny by writing:
More than just christians believe in a god.

In fact, if I recall correctly, the tally is somewhere around 98% of all humanity believing in one supreme entity or another.


Can't be right, given the large number of Buddhists, Taoists, Confuscusists, and Jedi (yes, that is a real religion!) that exist.

[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Vorbis of Pie ]

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:15:39 AM
I would gamble that the majority of the older, more conservitave (in relation to you and me, not to other politicians) are some variaty of christian. By christian I mean the judist based religions and well that covers just about every major western religion.
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:16:32 AM

[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Naimah ]

Leopold
Porn maniac
posted 06-27-2002 01:19:32 AM
Just what I was afraid of.

Some fuckheads say "you know, these two words offend us, so we're going to fight against them" and swing the pendulum one way...

...the government picks up the slack and swings it back the other.

Not that I agree with the morons in the first place, I just don't like the American public's tendency to swing to extremes.

"Leopold said it best. This is one of the few times someone besides me is right." -Mr. Parcelan
Tristan
Vidi, vici, veni.
Nae's Stooge
posted 06-27-2002 01:21:05 AM
quote:
Maradön² wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
More than just christians believe in a god.

In fact, if I recall correctly, the tally is somewhere around 98% of all humanity believing in one supreme entity or another.



That many? I thought China and the USSR (yea I know, but it more in kepping with tee board theme) made up more then 2% of the pop.

Veni, vidi, vici
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:22:13 AM
quote:
Naimah painfully thought these words up:
By christian I mean the judist based religions and well that covers just about every major western religion.

So jews are christians now?

quote:
Can't be right, given the large number of Buddhists, Taoists, Confuscusists, and Jedi (yes, that is a real religion!) that exist.

2% of 8 billion is a large number.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:24:58 AM
I'm sorry but christians are just jews that want to add some stuff on. They use the same first four books and then the christians just keep making them up to and keep up with the times. The jews just don't care, I think that is why everone hates them.
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:28:18 AM
quote:
Naimah thought about the meaning of life:
I'm sorry but christians are just jews that want to add some stuff on. They use the same first four books and then the christians just keep making them up to and keep up with the times. The jews just don't care, I think that is why everone hates them.

So Christians are Jews, that makes more sense, but Jews certainly aren't christians

In saying that not only Christians believe in a god, I meant to convey that this is that the pledge of allegiance is not nesscessarily a pledge to a christian god, or even to any specific god at all.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:33:36 AM
Why should someone that dosn't believe in anyones god have to pledge to a god? That dosn't seem very fair. And you can't just say take it out then, it is part of the pledge. Dose it really hurt to not menten your god while honoring the organization that gives you your way of life? Of course you could look at the wonderful modle in the middle-east for how religions run governments.
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:36:55 AM
quote:
So quoth Naimah:
Why should someone that dosn't believe in anyones god have to pledge to a god?

Because from a non-denominational viewpoint the word god is completely arbitrary in every sense except the fact that it's a force for good.

It's all a matter of symantics.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:39:26 AM
You may believe it is a word for a force of good. But what if someone else believes that it is the cause of millions if not billions of lives being lost?
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-27-2002 01:50:30 AM
quote:
King Parcelan's account was hax0red to write:
Then why did you post?

I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you have nothing to contribute to a conversation but statements of indifference that nobody cares about, just don't contribute at all.

I'm sure people don't like having random folk come into their threads and say, "I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS!"

Consider it in the future


Ah, j00 called me out.

Allright. I dont care, because even if they remove the words in question, I STILL wont say the pledge. I never have. Seems silly to me.
No, I'm not un american.. I just believe that some things in this world are just plain silly, and shouldnt be done.
Thus I kinda snicker at the people who are getting their panties in a wad about all this.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:52:00 AM
quote:
From the book of Naimah, chapter 3, verse 16:
You may believe it is a word for a force of good. But what if someone else believes that it is the cause of millions if not billions of lives being lost?

That would be a force for evil, and the word "god" isn't used in such a context anywhere.

At the very worst the term "god" is used neutrally in polytheistic societies, as a force that might be for either good or evil, though this case is rare.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 01:55:57 AM
Well I believe someone's god had an influence in the crusades, the holocaust, and the recent terrorist attacks. That is the god that I see.
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 01:59:36 AM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Well I believe someone's god had an influence in the crusades, the holocaust, and the recent terrorist attacks. That is the god that I see.

That is the christian god that you see.

You see, the word god has two senses. The word God is a proper noun, referring most often to the God of christianity. The word god, however, is an indefinate noun, and thereby a completely arbitrary term with almost no inherent meaning, save a vague indication of good.

Rather than the use of the word, I would rather they argue over it's capitolization.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 02:04:59 AM
The christian god caused the WTC attacks? No that would be the Muslims. A perversion of the Jewish religion. (See they are all tied together like a trailor trash family tree.) Just adding a definition to a word dosn't fix anything. If they just say, "Oh, we're sorry, it dosn't really mean that", it woudn't acomplish anything. On this point I believe that the government has to decide either that yes they are indeed a religiously swayed body or that they do indeed recognize a relativly silent minority.
Maradon!
posted 06-27-2002 02:07:52 AM
You sound religiously swayed yourself Naimah, only by an antipathy for religion
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 02:18:57 AM
As a person I am allowed to be swayed. As are each of the politicians are. However as a group they are not allowed to be swayed. That is the way the rules fall and I hope they remember that.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 06-27-2002 02:54:32 AM
Yep! Let's all go blaming gods for the actions of people! That makes it ALL better.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 03:01:56 AM
I don't blame god for peoples actions. I blame peoples belief in a god for their actions. There is a differance.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 06-27-2002 03:02:44 AM
quote:
Naimah's fortune cookie read:
I don't blame god for peoples actions. I blame peoples belief in a god for their actions. There is a differance.

I am going to kill you in the name of this Pepsi can!

What's the point?

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-27-2002 03:06:40 AM
quote:
Densetsu probably says this to all the girls:
I am going to kill you in the name of this Pepsi can!

What's the point?


We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!

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[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Delphi Aegis ]

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-27-2002 03:13:56 AM
quote:
Densetsu had this to say about John Romero:
[QUOTE]Naimah's fortune cookie read:
[qb]I don't blame god for peoples actions. I blame peoples belief in a god for their actions. There is a differance.


I am going to kill you in the name of this Pepsi can!

What's the point?[/QB][/QUOTE]

That dosn't make sense to me. Maybe it is just too late.

Lashanna
noob
posted 06-27-2002 03:15:49 AM
quote:
Densetsu's account was hax0red to write:

I am going to kill you in the name of this Pepsi can!

What's the point?[/QB]



Not nearly as many people have been killed in the name of that Pepsi Can,

Honestly, I just feel it's silly to have mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance....
Do you really need to daily pledge your allegiance?

I doubt I'd have any less of an opinion of this nation if I wasn't forced (forced in the terms of, I don't want to get in trouble) to recite the Pledge...

To be honest, by the time you learn what 75% of the Pledge means, you've already memorized it, and each day, you're merely reciting it, not really pledging your allegiance....

I just say, it's such a minor thing to get up in arms about.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 06-27-2002 03:55:01 AM
The issue isn't christian god vs. other god.

it's christian god vs. other GODS.

they said it was cause it was puhing monotheism.

I'm not saying I support it, but those'r the facts, folks. :P

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 06-27-2002 04:01:33 AM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Gikkwiny:
they said it was cause it was puhing monotheism.

I'm not saying I support it, but those'r the facts, folks. :P


The guy who brought the lawsuit to the Circuit Court in the first place was an Atheist who didn't want his son to have to pledge to God in school.

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Chalesm
There is no innuendo in this title.
posted 06-27-2002 04:05:16 AM
I, personally, am glad that the decision looks to be overturned. I don't agree with manditory school prayer, there's no reason to force a child to recite something he niether believes nor agrees with. However, I really don't think that people should suddenly start taking offence at things and try to change them when they are meant innocently, not as attacks or conversion attempts. That line of the pledge of allegience is not some kind of offensive symbol of christian (or even religious) superiority. It's not forcing anyone to believe anything, and it's not a a sign of some government favoritism. It's simply an old tradition, not an attack. It is not something to fell even discomfort over, let alone offense.

And, for the record, I'm agnostic.

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LeMiere
posted 06-27-2002 04:27:46 AM
"Under God" seems to represent that the nation is not above some form of ideal or belief. This is in opposition to Roman empirialism, as I recall, in which emperors set themselves at god-like status causing rebellions (at least one that Christians were specifically involved in.) Therefore "under god" is a safety mechanism.

Most people seem to be up in arms about the supreme court's decision because the nation was founded "under god." And thos people fighting for that belief feel that if you take that idea away, you're destroying what the nation was founded upon.

Two words that I really don't acknowledge mean little to me. They mean a lt to other people, however, and I suppose that's what makes them so important.

And Maradon, I don't know where you got your statistic but your wording of it and its result seems skewed. Mind posting a link to its source? (If you haven't already?)

Majox
Pancake
posted 06-27-2002 06:57:33 AM
Maradon, you're wrong about some things. While the majority of the world may believe in one ultimate being, 2% is awefully low. 2% of 8 billion is 160 million. The population of China alone is more then 1 billion. I'm not saying everyone in China believes in Confucis or Jedi or whatever, but its probably more then 160 million.

You also seem to imply that in a generic definition of good there is a sense of 'good'. Using www.dictionary.com I can find nothing that implies that god, the generic one, not a specific one, is good.

[ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Majox ]

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