However, to imply that i am pro- torture or summarily executing prisoners is far from true. As i stated above, there is a reason for military laws. Those are the very things they protect against. However, holding suspected dissidents indefinately is not one of them.
We would have a sticky situation indeed if we were to release him to the wild, to do as he pleased, only to find his shadow scorched onto the walls of a Quiky-Mart somewhere along with a couple million other people, because if it is un-Constitutional to hold him against his will without charging him for a crime, it will also be un-lawful to have him watched 24/7 to ensure he can't. And he can't be deported, because he is a citizen...
hmmmm.... what a tangled web we find ourselves in, eh?
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Mortious had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I find your flicking tongue framed by the hellfire of that tag oddly arousing . . . 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Arttemis the Rogue wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
...Have you been reading this?Bloodsage explained pretty clearly what teleology and deontology have to do with this conversation.
To break it down so that the laymen can understand it:
That's just my attempt. Ask Bloodsage for the real clarification.
You win the prize! 
Deontology argues that rules are the only thing that matters. Hence the "innocent until guilty" assertions--applying the rule regardless of circumstance.
Teleology insists that only results matter. Hence characterizing the government as somehow nefarious and calculating in an attempt to bend the rules because they are acting without regard for the rules in a Machiavellian manner.
A mixed-deontological approach calls for considering both rules and context. Meaning that, in this situation "innocent until proven guilty" might not apply, but that doesn't mean it should never apply.
Hence the very different rulesets associated with the laws of war and the laws of jurisprudence.
No, the actions don't make sense under a criminal justice framework. But that's not really relevant, because the laws of war are operative in this case.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
I can see this taking away due prosses to terrorist, but what about like.. how to ask this right with out getting flamed...
Non terroristic crimes.. Will they get thier due prosses? Citizen crimes I guess is the best way I can put it =(
quote:This sounds useful, but it also sounds like you're using a "big word" to replace logical arguments. However, it's not really important, since nobody should be offended by "big words".
Ford Prefect had this to say about (_|_):
[QUOTE]de·on·tol·o·gy Pronunciation Key (dn-tl-j)
n.
Ethical theory concerned with duties and rights.
quote:That doesn't seem to fit this discussion, other than saying, "the end justifies the means." And that's been abused throughout history.[/QUOTE]
tel·e·ol·o·gy Pronunciation Key (tl-l-j, tl-)
n. pl. tel·e·ol·o·gies
- The study of design or purpose in natural phenomena.
- The use of ultimate purpose or design as a means of explaining phenomena.
- Belief in or the perception of purposeful development toward an end, as in nature or history.
Your inability to understand what I'm saying does not constitute shennanigans on my part.
I suggest, in the future, you ask politely when you don't understand something, rather than implying I'm trying to use big words as a substitute for logic.
As I rather clearly said, I was (am) in a hurry, and didn't have to to explain beyond using the specialized vocabulary of the field.
As you would know if you've read the relevant threads, my thesis is on this very topic. It's rather fresh in my mind, since my professors keep kicking it back for editing.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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What are you defining as a non-terrorist crime? that would help to sort it out.
Like.. *sighs* the crimes we've been dealing with with in the country.. You know like... a guy get's caught um, robbing a bank, or a hit and run.. or gang crimes.. do citizens who has nothing to do with the Al Quita(HA can't spell it) Or any other terrorist cells still get due prosses and to plead the 5th?
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Aanicat had this to say about dark elf butts:
Like.. *sighs* the crimes we've been dealing with with in the country.. You know like... a guy get's caught um, robbing a bank, or a hit and run.. or gang crimes.. do citizens who has nothing to do with the Al Quita(HA can't spell it) Or any other terrorist cells still get due prosses and to plead the 5th?
Right now? Most assuredly.
In the future? Maybe.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Enforcer Za'Yth said:
Right now? Most assuredly.In the future? Maybe.
Maybe? Ok then. Thanks
Juries, judges, lawyers (bloodsucking, moneygrubbing, ambulance-chasing... oh, was i still talkin aloud... 
)... all a part of the bloated system we take for granted. The guilty will still get to go free while the ever so rare wrongly convicted will still spend 15 years in prison until someone realizes the mistake... but i digress... 
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Gikkwiny wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Timothey McVey, (who was arrested and tried)
McVeigh was also executed...last year, I think.
(Random-ness...)
