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Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 05-22-2002 12:29:44 PM
quote:
This one time, at Chalesm camp:
snip

Well...yeah. There'll always be exceptions. But I meant in general, that's how I would handle it.

Mightion Defensor
posted 05-22-2002 12:52:02 PM
Links next time, BM, please....

Some of us are at work, y'know.

they were high quality, though

Woody
Toast the Destroyer
posted 05-22-2002 01:06:24 PM
To start with, I saw this as completely wrong. And as a matter of moral and ethical standing I still do. BUT, I've been thinking back to my childhood days... I'm recalling my 12 year old memories.

My two foster brothers and myself were sneaking out of the house, paying a man, that hung around the gas station/liquor store, to buy us MadDog 20/20, and smoking pot when we were twelve.

My girlfriend and I did some pretty heavy petting (no sex though) when we were twelve.

Where we, as older folk, think it's wrong because we're looking at it from our "we're older" standpoint, the twelve year olds will see it quite differently. The twelve year old girls will want them. HOPEFULLY they will have no means of getting them for themselves though. HOPEFULLY the parents will still be controlling what is purchased for their child to wear.

But, admit it, you've seen the 12/13/14 year old mall rats strolling around in spaghetti strapped, stomache showing, tight shirts and low riding hip hugger jeans. It's a very disturbing trend, in my mind.

These things will stay in the market place if parents buy them for their children. That much is certain. And if parents will buy those kinds of shirts and jeans for their children... they may well buy them these damn thong things as well.

**shrugs**

My opinion is that it is an unwise choice for Abercrombie & Fitch to be making. The soccer moms will come out in full force.

All of the sudden I'm frightened by the idea that actually agreeing with Soccer Moms.

Woody Hearn - Cartoonist
GU Comics
Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 05-22-2002 01:16:34 PM
quote:
So quoth Woody:
All of the sudden I'm frightened by the idea that actually agreeing with Soccer Moms.

face it woody, you're slowly becomming a soccer mom.

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Woody
Toast the Destroyer
posted 05-22-2002 01:18:56 PM
Blindy... I hope not. I'm rather fond of having a penis.
Woody Hearn - Cartoonist
GU Comics
Faeth Es'Braewyn
No Breasts. :(
posted 05-22-2002 01:36:09 PM
I'll comment on this and my opinions when I get home, and have time.
"Born of fire, forged with steel, I am the hunter that you know, but will never see..."
Synjari
Warrior Princess
Cookie Seraphim!
posted 05-22-2002 02:00:44 PM
What I wanna know is where the hell these teeny boppers are getting the money to buy underwear.. of all things.. from abercrombie and fitch? *shakes her head* Parents spoil kids whims tooo much these days if such is the case.
"Villiany wears many masks, none of which are more dangerous than virtue." - "Sleepy Hollow"
Mr. Duck
Likes to ____!
posted 05-22-2002 03:52:33 PM
wonder if this is the one in the terminal tower..
is there one in the terminal tower?...check tomorrow

[ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: Mr. Duck ]

OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 05-22-2002 04:38:24 PM
Walking around in the mall yesterday with my friends, we saw some girls that couldn't be more than 12 or 13 dressed like sluts. Not to generalize or anything, but they had very short skirts, makeup, midrift showing shirts and everything.

I've got female friends in High School thatd don't even dress like that. It's just wrong, IN MY OPINION, a responsible parent would NOT let their girl dress like that, and I think these thongs fall under that.

..:: This Is The Sound Of Settling ::..
Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 05-22-2002 04:39:19 PM
*senses a great rise in pedophile numbers*
Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
Naota Nandaba
Don't ask me about any goddamned bannings!
posted 05-22-2002 04:46:57 PM
quote:
From the book of Iron Chef Cadga, chapter 3, verse 16:
*senses a great rise in pedophile numbers*

quote:
Kegwen 2.0 got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
"Abercrombie and Fitch is selling clothes to make children sexually stimulating to adults," said Brian Camenker of the Parents' Rights Coalition Parents Who Are Convinced that Everyone Else in the World is a Pedophile and Wants Their Children's Bodies.

[ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: Kegwen 2.0 ]

Nothing amazing happens here.
Only the ordinary.
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-22-2002 04:48:40 PM
The store in question (I dont want to spell it, cos I cant spell it, so nyah) has a habit of promoting slut-like activities.

Small, 3 line poems painted in the windows, making it seem "cool" to be, among other things, a beachbum, a slut, a manwhore, and a "playah".

Every time I see someone go into that store, I shake my head, and pity their feeble existance.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Skaw
posted 05-22-2002 06:07:06 PM
Newage-MTV-drenched Youth2win

I remember when MTV soaked youth were the ones causing riots at concerts. You know, back when the "Music" in the name meant something.

Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 05-22-2002 06:26:39 PM
I'd just like to note...that most girls aren't even wearing a bra at 10-11 years old...or at the least, there is little/no need for it...

I mean, like, I am female, and stuff. So...just saying.

Radience
Pancake
posted 05-22-2002 07:22:54 PM
As a parent, I will be over here in the corner for a bit smacking my head against the wall. Thanks.

And Woody, it only gets worse as you get older and your kids grow up. Such is the curse of Aging.

Know that at least you can still grumble about the baby-boomer soccer moms & dads who can't say "no" to their darling juniors whims and desires.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-22-2002 07:41:11 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Delphi Aegis:
The store in question (I dont want to spell it, cos I cant spell it, so nyah) has a habit of promoting slut-like activities.

Small, 3 line poems painted in the windows, making it seem "cool" to be, among other things, a beachbum, a slut, a manwhore, and a "playah".

Every time I see someone go into that store, I shake my head, and pity their feeble existance.


You're doing it again.

You're the last one on the planet who ought to be pitying anyone else's "feeble existence."

You can have your lifestyle; let others have theirs.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 05-22-2002 07:41:50 PM
Bloodsage said what I was thinking.
Star Collective
Pancake
posted 05-22-2002 07:52:52 PM
I figured I'd save you all the trouble of having to read the usual and just put [insert sanctimonious condemnation here].
The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Peter
Pancake
posted 05-22-2002 08:17:53 PM
quote:
Maradön? had this to say about (_|_):
Yes, it's your job as a parent, but is it the government's job as well?

There is a View in sociology that as on social institution stops doing it's job, the other one pick up the slack to keep it balanced. The families as an institution has shrunk so much and the sad thing is most people donÂ’t/canÂ’t see this. The real scary thing is the institutions that pick up the slack are the run by the worst things to be teaching these Ideas/roles/reasonabilityÂ’s Fucking committees. Plus it's something that will not get better over time until there is a big social change or this society kicks over because when the parents give up doing stuff they begin a vicious circle. Their kids grow up and do the same thing their parents did, getting worse and worse down the line.


quote:
Blind Swordsman wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
face it woody, you're slowly becomming a soccer mom.

Or he is slowly growing his ass up. But he has an Y-chromosome, so technically he never has to act grown-up


Also most of the people that are arguing on this post shouldn't be because they don't have the age or the children one needs to form a Valid point to argue with.

[ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: Pyscho_Pike ]

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 05-22-2002 08:29:27 PM
quote:
Pyscho_Pike painfully thought these words up:
Also most of the people that are arguing on this post shouldn't be because they don't have the age or the children one needs to form a Valid point to argue with.

Firing squad INCOMING.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-22-2002 08:38:14 PM
Well, since the gauntlet has been cast, will someone please tell me the causal link between what kind of underwear one wears and what kind of person one is?

Further, I'd be interested in an answer to the question whether one's underwear is an expression of one's personality, or whether said underwear causes behavior.

Finally, I'm unclear on the sociological disaster inherent in people losing their prudish, Victorian notions regarding sex. Perhaps someone can explain the mechanism by which losing medieval prejudices and superstitions surrounding sex will destroy society?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Naota Nandaba
Don't ask me about any goddamned bannings!
posted 05-22-2002 08:48:46 PM
Nice, BS. Nice.
Nothing amazing happens here.
Only the ordinary.
Peter
Pancake
posted 05-22-2002 09:34:14 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Knight Rider:
Well, since the gauntlet has been cast, ...

Umm is this comment pointed to me?

The first two parts of my post have nothing to do with the topic of the thread, but rather stuff said in the thread. That would be the reason as to putting the Quotes right above them. I will admit that in the response to Maradon's comment on how the government ends up doing what should/was the parents job is colored in my own personal beliefs, but in no way was i actually trying to make a comment on the topic of the thread.


As to my last little part.
I interpreted the topic of the thread a to weather or not thong underwear should be targeted to children. To me this seems to be something that a parent would only be able to have a valid viewpoint. What I made was a half-assed comment saying that if youÂ’re not a parent you should not be making a comment. Because your not a parent and would not have the same experiences and viewpoint one would have if they were raising a child. This is why I did not make a comment on weather or not this is a good or bad thing, because I lack the knowledge to say weather it is good or bad, seeing I am only 21 and have no kids. I do not know how I would be able to form a valid opinion unless I had raised or was in the process of raising child myself.

nem-x
posted 05-22-2002 09:35:46 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Pyscho_Pike wrote:
Umm is this comment pointed to me?

The first two parts of my post have nothing to do with the topic of the thread, but rather stuff said in the thread. That would be the reason as to putting the Quotes right above them. I will admit that in the response to Maradon's comment on how the government ends up doing what should/was the parents job is colored in my own personal beliefs, but in no way was i actually trying to make a comment on the topic of the thread.


As to my last little part.
I interpreted the topic of the thread a to weather or not thong underwear should be targeted to children. To me this seems to be something that a parent would only be able to have a valid viewpoint. What I made was a half-assed comment saying that if youÂ’re not a parent you should not be making a comment. Because your not a parent and would not have the same experiences and viewpoint one would have if they were raising a child. This is why I did not make a comment on weather or not this is a good or bad thing, because I lack the knowledge to say weather it is good or bad, seeing I am only 21 and have no kids. I do not know how I would be able to form a valid opinion unless I had raised or was in the process of raising child myself.


Patlabor2win

Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-22-2002 10:21:18 PM
quote:
Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
You're doing it again.

You're the last one on the planet who ought to be pitying anyone else's "feeble existence."

You can have your lifestyle; let others have theirs.


Aces! Isnt that what this WHOLE thread is about? Not wanting preteens to dress like more mature women? I like how you just jump on ME, and not half the other people on this thread because I dont give into the belief that because I buy my clothes at store x, I will be liked by people y.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-22-2002 10:47:13 PM
Which part of the post I quoted had anything to do with the thread's topic?

All you did was categorically condemn everyone who shops there. Which, if you'll notice, was what I condemned.

I stand by what I said. You're about the last person who ought to be pitying anyone else's "feeble existence," and you've no right to condemn everyone who shops at a given store, simply because they choose a lifestyle different from yours.

I took exception to your post, because you're the only one who chose to do those things. Nearly everyone else was actually contributing opinions on topic. With reasons, and everything.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 05-23-2002 02:18:16 AM
Small thing...

I know this is extreme minority, but when I was 14, if I could have gotten one, I would have worn a thong.

....

Once a week. In fact, on Saturdays. Why? Cause I was doing weekly speech tournaments, and Panty lines suck.

That's the only reason. Yes, I own one. I'll be 18 in less then 2 weeks. I'm not a slut. HOWEVER, a friend of mine, who I will readily admit jumps from guy to guy also wears one... but she wears them with lowriders so it's visible. I don't. I just wear it whaen A: I'm out of all other undies and they are in the wash, or B: When I'm wearing a skirt for an interview or something, and don't want pantylines.

It all depends what it'sfor. No, 10 year olds, and 11 year olds shouldn't have a need to wear them. But I can see 14 year olds....

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 05-23-2002 10:10:44 AM
I wear a string bikini, does that make me a horrible person just because I'm 14? DOES IT? TELL ME, BISH!
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-23-2002 10:46:25 AM
quote:
Dr. Vorbis probably says this to all the girls:
I wear a string bikini, does that make me a horrible person just because I'm 14? DOES IT? TELL ME, BISH!

Yes, it does--because now I'm all hot and bothered! :P

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mod
Pancake
posted 05-23-2002 10:50:09 AM
The real question is why there is such a huge uprising of parents against a type of underwear. If it were a piece of visible clothing, fine, those do send out a message to your surroundings, but frikken underwear?

If they're already seeing your little girl's underwear the type of it won't change a damn thing. Well, maybe some kind of medivial chastity belt would.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 05-23-2002 10:54:46 AM
they need to re-name abercrombie and fitch the hitlerarium. Something about a store that has pictures of all these ideal ayran men in quazi homo-erotic positions plastered all over the damn walls gets me think'n.
On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Lashanna
noob
posted 05-23-2002 01:13:14 PM
Ehh... This is complicated...

I don't think 14 is too young for thongs whatsoever, really, (some of you have been referring to "13 and 14 year old girls" Some have said 12-13, some have said 10-11).

Someone pointed out that if people are seeing your daughter's underwear at that age, then there is already a problem... A bit of truth in that, but things like hip-hugging jeans, etc. are paired off well by thong underwear...

I dunno exactly how I feel, and my opinion may be invalid, but, eh...

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 05-23-2002 02:34:26 PM
quote:
Bloodsage was naked while typing this:
Well, since the gauntlet has been cast, will someone please tell me the causal link between what kind of underwear one wears and what kind of person one is?

Further, I'd be interested in an answer to the question whether one's underwear is an expression of one's personality, or whether said underwear causes behavior.

Finally, I'm unclear on the sociological disaster inherent in people losing their prudish, Victorian notions regarding sex. Perhaps someone can explain the mechanism by which losing medieval prejudices and superstitions surrounding sex will destroy society?


It causes reactions out of others. Low Cut Jeans + Thong = Visible Thong. Like I said, there are alot of sickos out there and I wouldnt want my daughter doing anything that would tempt one of those to act on her.

And yes, clothing like that will assist in one's personality. ALOT of people act how they look, not everyone, but a good portion of them do, especially teenagers.

My response to your last question:
My views on sex as an adult, my views on sex as a teenager, and my views on sex as a child (Kids not in High School), all differ. I've heard far too many people take me "Fuck them while you can" and it bothers me to a certain point. Because I really dont think the people that are tell me that are thinking of all the things that can happen from doing the No Pants Partner Dance. As for kids... I think they should be focusing on being a kid not an adult. They'd wear this sort of thing because adults do it, influence in some way from or fashion.

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 05-23-2002 02:53:16 PM
I'd be far more worried about other things that my kid does then what kind of underwear they have.

I dunno...to me that just seems like "anal parent" syndrome. Trying to control every aspect of a child's life will not help your case when you try to tell them that it's for their own good.

Eventually those words start to lose all meaning. Parents should think of themselves as a guide, not a dictator; at least that's my personal philosophy.

Dont take anything that I am saying too seriously...these are just my opinions.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-23-2002 02:55:03 PM
quote:
Verily, Reynar doth proclaim:
I'd be far more worried about other things that my kid does then what kind of underwear they have.

I dunno...to me that just seems like "anal parent" syndrome. Trying to control every aspect of a child's life will not help your case when you try to tell them that it's for their own good.

Eventually those words start to lose all meaning. Parents should think of themselves as a guide, not a dictator; at least that's my personal philosophy.

Dont take anything that I am saying too seriously...these are just my opinions.


... FLAEM FLAEM FLAEM FLMEA


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 05-23-2002 03:02:34 PM
Being a parent requires you to dicate at times. I'm sure every parent here will tell you that.
Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 05-23-2002 03:16:05 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Blind Swordsman wrote:
they need to re-name abercrombie and fitch the hitlerarium. Something about a store that has pictures of all these ideal ayran men in quazi homo-erotic positions plastered all over the damn walls gets me think'n.


Does this satisfy Godwin's Law?

Gydyon
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